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teep_
03/26/21 7:49:30 AM
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smh that there wasn't already a topic up

On topic, while I found episode one to be somewhat mediocre, episode two was amazing
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IMNOTRAGED
03/26/21 7:53:13 AM
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Yeah ep 2 was pretty great, I'm all in now

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Blue_Popo
03/26/21 9:37:42 AM
#3:


Sam gives the shield up and then complains someone else took up the mantle.

Bucky got the biggest nerf. He was so badass in Winter Soldier but since then his ass whoopings consist of:

Isiah Bradley
The Hydra Winter soldier that just got the serum
Black Panther
Spiderman
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teep_
03/26/21 10:02:00 AM
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All of those are people who are stronger than regular humans, whereas Winter Soldier only had regular humans iirc

Seems consistent imo
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Blue_Popo
03/26/21 10:20:24 AM
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teep_ posted...
All of those are people who are stronger than regular humans, whereas Winter Soldier only had regular humans iirc

Seems consistent imo

No he had super soldier serum as well. All winter soldiers did
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CyricZ
03/26/21 10:22:09 AM
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lol I don't know why I keep looking up who these characters are in the comics. Feels like I'm just reading ahead for no reason.

Or maybe I'm just hoping they take what's in the comics and do it different.

Anyway, this was an episode that existed. I think my favorite exchange was the "Big Three" talk.

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teep_
03/26/21 10:38:24 AM
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Blue_Popo posted...
teep_ posted...
All of those are people who are stronger than regular humans, whereas Winter Soldier only had regular humans iirc

Seems consistent imo

No he had super soldier serum as well. All winter soldiers did

No, I mean the enemies/people Bucky fought in WS were all regular humans

He's stronger than regular humans but weaker than "enhanced" individuals
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Balnazarr
03/26/21 10:38:53 AM
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Blue_Popo posted...
Sam gives the shield up and then complains someone else took up the mantle.

Bucky got the biggest nerf. He was so badass in Winter Soldier but since then his ass whoopings consist of:

Isiah Bradley
The Hydra Winter soldier that just got the serum
Black Panther
Spiderman
Thanos alien dog things
Thanos
Flag smashers

because he doesn't want to fight anymore. He's not Winter Solider.
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SSJGrimReaper
03/26/21 10:39:45 AM
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White Panther

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Returning_CEmen
03/26/21 10:41:25 AM
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I fell asleep on episode 1. I guess Ill rewatch it and this episode some time today
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IfGodCouldDie
03/26/21 10:43:11 AM
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CyricZ posted...
lol I don't know why I keep looking up who these characters are in the comics. Feels like I'm just reading ahead for no reason.

Or maybe I'm just hoping they take what's in the comics and do it different.

Anyway, this was an episode that existed. I think my favorite exchange was the "Big Three" talk.
I mean, John Walker and the Flagsmashers are pretty different then their comic counterparts.

Also the big three talk was pretty good.

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Blue_Popo
03/26/21 10:46:43 AM
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teep_ posted...
No, I mean the enemies/people Bucky fought in WS were all regular humans

He's stronger than regular humans but weaker than "enhanced" individuals

Fair enough

Maybe his experise is infiltrating and assassinating targets but he doesn't fare well against other super humans

I will say 1/3 into the season I prefer Falcon to the first 1/3 of wandavision. Though Wandavisions first third was its weakest
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Shablagoo
03/26/21 11:09:41 AM
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Yeah it was way better with Falcon and Bucky together, loved the buddy cop dynamic.

Anyone else think the main Flag Smasher super soldier looks like a young Maya Rudolph?

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Blue_Popo
03/26/21 12:14:09 PM
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Actually bucky might have been holding back because of the no hurting people rule
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SquirtleSkwad
03/26/21 12:37:41 PM
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I cannot get over how hard the "new" Captain America is to look at. It's like staring at a car crash.

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ViewtifulGrave
03/26/21 12:58:40 PM
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SSJGrimReaper posted...
White Panther
White Wolf

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teep_
03/26/21 1:28:41 PM
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SquirtleSkwad posted...
I cannot get over how hard the "new" Captain America is to look at. It's like staring at a car crash.

Mad props to the actor for making him so "love to hate"
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RchHomieQuanChi
03/26/21 6:04:24 PM
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New Captain America gives me Homelander vibes and I love it.

BTW, he's played by Kurt Russell's son.

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Tom Clark
03/26/21 6:11:10 PM
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That was a great episode.

But Wyatt Russell should never be allowed to go beardless again.

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The_Creep_2020
03/26/21 6:45:10 PM
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...
New Captain America gives me Homelander vibes and I love it.

BTW, he's played by Kurt Russell's son.
Yeah, my wife said the same thing.

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cjsdowg
03/26/21 6:47:44 PM
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This didn't feel like it was worth waiting a week for .

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GhettoFlip
03/26/21 7:38:59 PM
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teep_ posted...


He's stronger than regular humans but weaker than "enhanced" individuals

what are you talking about? he's enhanced

@teep_


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HagenEx
03/26/21 7:41:21 PM
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Dude, AntMack is awful, and I don't think Sebastian Stan can carry this shit.

New Cap was alright though, but this started really weak. I'm not impressed by these first two episodes.

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ZMythos
03/26/21 9:51:55 PM
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I know we're only two episodes in and I have no comic experience, but here's what I'm gathering so far:

  1. The "new" cap is definitely feeling lots of pressure, and it'll probably get to his head at some point (if not already because...)
  2. What was "stolen" according to that text was probably super soldier serum that was probably meant for new cap and is the real reason why they were intercepting the trucks.
  3. The freedom fighters are probably gonna be the good guys in the end who just want to help people displaced by the return from The Blip, mirroring what Falcon's going through himself.

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Medussa
03/26/21 10:03:37 PM
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so, something hit me today that i need to get out there. it's a little weird right now, but i think the pieces are moving the right ways to make it happen.

This series is another take on the (marvel) Civil War dispute, but with the sides all mixed up.

Sam (and Bucky and Zemo) seem like they're taking the Captain America role, but they're going to end up being the Iron Man. Initially rejecting being on the books, but coming to see that they can work within the system.

Karli & the Flagsmashers seem like they're the Zemo, but they're really going to be the Cap. Outsiders see them as a force of chaos, but they're fighting for a noble cause, even if it means bending the rules.

Walker (and Hoskins) will initially be a decent Cap, if not exactly the one we're used to, but will eventually fall in with the actual Zemo, Power Broker. He'll keep failing to live up to his idea of what Cap needs to be, decide to take the shortcut, and it won't go well.

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teep_
03/27/21 12:28:42 AM
#26:


GhettoFlip posted...
teep_ posted...


He's stronger than regular humans but weaker than "enhanced" individuals

what are you talking about? he's enhanced

@teep_

He is, which is why I put "enhanced" in quotes.

He seems to be weaker than other enhanced individuals that aren't him eg the other winter soldiers, spider-man, etc
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Blue_Popo
03/27/21 12:32:37 AM
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teep_ posted...
He is, which is why I put "enhanced" in quotes.

He seems to be weaker than other enhanced individuals that aren't him eg the other winter soldiers, spider-man, etc

In this he might have been trying to abide by the rule to not hurt people, he wasn't using his metal arm.

He might be more deadly as the winter soldier who has the killer instinct than bucky barnes, who doesn't want any of this
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Medussa
03/27/21 12:36:51 AM
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what's rule number two, again?

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IfGodCouldDie
03/27/21 12:48:00 AM
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So my prediction is Flagsmashers stole from some incarnation of Power Broker, John Walker and Lemar Hoskins accept a serum from him to battle Flagsmashers and become indebted to him.

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AlCalavicci
03/27/21 12:48:40 AM
#30:


i loved it

i eat up MCU like candy

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What_
03/27/21 12:50:29 AM
#31:


RchHomieQuanChi posted...
New Captain America gives me Homelander vibes and I love it.

BTW, he's played by Kurt Russell's son.
Damn he did not get his fathers looks
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Stalolin
03/27/21 12:54:04 AM
#32:


Amazing episode! Loving this show so far. Sebastian Stan and Anthony Mackie are a great duo.

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Shablagoo
03/27/21 12:55:24 AM
#33:


What_ posted...
Damn he did not get his fathers looks

He has em when he has a long beard and hair. Didnt recognize him at all in this show until it was pointed out here ITT.

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Medussa
03/27/21 1:25:44 AM
#34:


so, something hit me today that i need to get out there. it's a little weird right now, but i think the pieces are moving the right ways to make it happen. (reposting because i missed something, and the edit window. super sorry)

This series is another take on the (marvel) Civil War dispute, but with the sides all mixed up.

Sam (and Bucky and Zemo) seem like they're taking the Captain America role, but they're going to end up being the Iron Man. Initially rejecting being on the books, but coming to see that they can work within the system.

Karli & the Flagsmashers seem like they're the Zemo, but they're really going to be the Cap. Outsiders see them as a force of chaos, but they're fighting for a noble cause, even if it means bending the rules.

Walker (and Hoskins) will initially be a decent Cap, if not exactly the one we're used to. Ideologically, he'll mirror Tony. Completely the book, bureaucracy prevents mistakes, etc, but will eventually fall in with the actual Zemo - Power Broker. He'll keep failing to live up to his idea of what Cap needs to be, decide to take the shortcut, and it won't go well.

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GhettoFlip
03/27/21 1:42:16 AM
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teep_ posted...
He is, which is why I put "enhanced" in quotes.

He seems to be weaker than other enhanced individuals that aren't him eg the other winter soldiers, spider-man, etc

That's not how you use quotes. Putting it there doesn't make any sense. This is your saying Bucky is not enhanced:

"He's stronger than regular humans but weaker than "enhanced" individuals"

There's no way to read this other than it saying Bucky is not enhanced.


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apocalyptic_4
03/27/21 1:45:41 AM
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I actually really liked it from the 1st episode.

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Tom Clark
03/27/21 4:15:27 AM
#37:


I maybe overthinking it, but since Redwing got smashed are we thinking that Redwing's remains will be reverse engineered to create Torres' suit for when he becomes Falcon as a nod to the comic's origin story for him?

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MabusIncarnate
03/27/21 4:19:14 AM
#38:


Damn that was awesome, i'm like apocalyptic, I really liked the first episode also but this one was fantastic. Being it's only 6 episodes, I think they are going to focus more on packing in a lot of action and a fast paced story.

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teep_
03/27/21 8:04:45 AM
#39:


GhettoFlip posted...
teep_ posted...
He is, which is why I put "enhanced" in quotes.

He seems to be weaker than other enhanced individuals that aren't him eg the other winter soldiers, spider-man, etc

That's not how you use quotes. Putting it there doesn't make any sense. This is your saying Bucky is not enhanced:

"He's stronger than regular humans but weaker than "enhanced" individuals"

There's no way to read this other than it saying Bucky is not enhanced.

Scare quotes

Scare quotes (also known as sneer quotes) are used to cast doubt on a word or phrase, or to emphasize that the word or phrase is being used as a euphemism.


https://www.thepunctuationguide.com/quotation-marks.html
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LeadPipeCinche
03/27/21 8:13:29 AM
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I'm just waiting for Walker to turn into U.S. Agent.
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Hornezz
03/27/21 8:15:59 AM
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PrideOfLion posted...
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It's Mephisto

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ZevLoveDOOM
03/27/21 8:58:29 AM
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loving the show so far! feels like Im watching an actual Marvel movie but in episodic form!

that scene with Sam and Bucky at the psychiatrist made me lol hard. like they were doing therapy for couples or something!
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Isaac1987
03/27/21 9:06:28 AM
#45:


That fight scene on the trucks had me laughing at the mediocre cgi. Other than that, great ep.
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Balnazarr
03/27/21 9:25:58 AM
#46:


Wow, they really showed Falcon getting harassed by Police.
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IfGodCouldDie
03/27/21 9:47:27 AM
#47:


Balnazarr posted...
Wow, they really showed Falcon getting harassed by Police.
I loved that part. It was just good social commentary.

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teep_
03/27/21 10:36:30 AM
#48:


IfGodCouldDie posted...
Balnazarr posted...
Wow, they really showed Falcon getting harassed by Police.
I loved that part. It was just good social commentary.

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MacadamianNut3
03/27/21 12:09:26 PM
#49:


For the Bucky vs super soldiers talk, didn't a flashback in Civil War show him get his ass whooped by one soldier even with his metal arm. And then the dude went berserk and Bucky escorted a scientist out during the chaos

If I'm remembering that correctly then it seems like they're being consistent with Bucky jobbing

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Blue_Popo
03/27/21 1:41:22 PM
#50:


MacadamianNut3 posted...
For the Bucky vs super soldiers talk, didn't a flashback in Civil War show him get his ass whooped by one soldier even with his metal arm. And then the dude went berserk and Bucky escorted a scientist out during the chaos

If I'm remembering that correctly then it seems like they're being consistent with Bucky jobbing

yup

Bucky ass whoopings:

Isaiah
Newly serumed hydra guy
Black Panther
Spiderman
Iron Man
Thanos' alien dog things
Thanos
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