Current Events > Six Days in Fallujah the video game

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https://twitter.com/SamiZayn/status/1374444413846392832?s=19

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I'd like to think this has an anti-war message but something tells me that won't be the case

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Can you play as the other side?
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remember when fox news cancelled it

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not since cod4 campaign will i have killed so many marines

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War games should have stopped being made after Spec Ops: The Line's bombshell story. Everything else is fighting for a distant second. Gunplay wasn't even that bad, to boot

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Eyeratosthenes posted...

War games should have stopped being made after Spec Ops: The Line's bombshell story. Everything else is fighting for a distant second. Gunplay wasn't even that bad, to boot

I don't really see why everyone always holds Spec Ops as some kind of pinnacle of storytelling. For the most part it's just Heart of Darkness with bog standard TPS gameplay.
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CouldBeAnAlt posted...

I'd like to think this has an anti-war message but something tells me that won't be the case

CouldBeAnAlt posted...

that won't be the case

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Didn't they try to make this years ago?
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UnholyMudcrab posted...

I don't really see why everyone always holds Spec Ops as some kind of pinnacle of storytelling. For the most part it's just Heart of Darkness with bog standard TPS gameplay.

Game made me puke. No idea what Heart of Darkness is but the game's implied choice moments were so cool. So many people didn't even think they had a choice and did so much questionable shit

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I'm starting to think you Yanks only go to war so you can make video games about it.

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I will give Spec Ops one thing: it did actually impress me that the lynch mob dispersed if you shot into the air.
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UnholyMudcrab posted...

I will give Spec Ops one thing: it did actually impress me that the lynch mob dispersed if you shot into the air.

I shot the ground there I was so fucking glad they backed off

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Eyeratosthenes posted...

No idea what Heart of Darkness is

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Eat More Beef posted...

I'm starting to think you Yanks only go to war so you can make video games about it.

that and oil

Eat More Beef posted...

I'm starting to think you Yanks only go to war so you can make video games about it.

WW2 shooters got over done

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Eyeratosthenes posted...

Game made me puke. No idea what Heart of Darkness is but the game's implied choice moments were so cool. So many people didn't even think they had a choice and did so much questionable shit

There's no choice to use the white phosphorous on civilians, which is arguably the game's most notorious scene

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https://twitter.com/tha_rami/status/1374448997876736011

Rami Ismail takes a look at the latest gameplay trailer and offers his thoughts.

tl;dw the game is propaganda. Everything in the trailer is from the soldier's side, nothing on the civilian side.

Oh and this:
https://twitter.com/Charalanahzard/status/1374534898954821634

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Do you get to play as the other side?

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I am OUTRAGED

OUTRAGED I TELL YOU

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Doe posted...

which is arguably the game's most notorious scene

that's true, and i did look for other options and would have preferred some agency, but i recognize they still had a specific story they wanted to tell and i'm okay with that

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US War Crimes the video game

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https://twitter.com/Charalanahzard/status/1374534898954821634

...How would it threaten her Visa status?

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CyricZ posted...

Oh and this:
https://twitter.com/Charalanahzard/status/1374534898954821634

Wtf
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Solar_Crimson posted...

...How would it threaten her Visa status?

I would imagine being publishing one's opinions in opposition to the US military.

She says she asked three different people and they all advised against it.

Now this doesn't mean that her having stated her opinions publicly would have definitely gotten her in visa trouble, but it was clearly a risk people thought wasn't worth taking.

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Nerdcubed did a good video on this:

https://youtu.be/GTMWCIdolf0
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I'm just still shocked that they revived a dead game that literally no one asked for.

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Solar_Crimson posted...

...How would it threaten her Visa status?

https://twitter.com/tha_rami/status/1374559884910415874

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Smashingpmkns posted...

Can you play as the other side?

Orchestrion posted...

Do you get to play as the other side?

No, you only get to play as the United States and as civilians.
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scar the 1 posted...

https://twitter.com/tha_rami/status/1374559884910415874

jfc

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All else aside, It's pretty disrespectul to reduce the town all of this takes place in to a procedurally generated random dungeon. I get you have to make gameplay alterations to put in ramps for access and shit. But to not give a shit about a semblance of accurate presentation of the city in your title, that suffered under a US war crime. It's almost as if you didn't give a care at all.

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scar the 1 posted...

https://twitter.com/tha_rami/status/1374559884910415874

This is disgusting.

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Not gonna lie I'm kind of hoping the ESRB refuses to classify this. You know literally nowhere else is going to.
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The controversy over this game is ridiculous. Devs have already talked about it. No you cant use white phosphorus. No there is no political message defending the war itself or anything like that. No this game is not being funded by the military or trying to be a recruiting tool. Yes you play as civilians who were victimized by the battle. Wild guess, and I hope its the case so that people could shut up about it, you probably cant even harm the civilians without the game punishing you in some way (losing and have to restart, or outright the game not letting you at all).

The game tells the story from multiple perspectives (Im assuming just not from the actual terrorists). The game also focuses on the stories from the marines and civilians who lived through it and what they had to deal with. Real people died during that battle. Real people were sacrificed and mutilated during that battle. There were heroes that were civilians and marines. But theres such a controversy over the topic that you cant even bring up their stories without the shadow of war crimes or the legality of the war itself. Those peoples stories will ultimately never be told if were too afraid to talk about it.

Theres also this insane hard on within US culture these days, where the only War that youre not allowed to talk shit on is basically WW2. We act like WW2 is the pinnacle of humanity and that everyone who fought back then is a hero, and then the second the Korean, Vietnam, Desert Storm, Iraq or Afghanistan get brought up, you either have to have some sort of blatantly anti-war message, or focus the game/movie on PTSD and trauma. Its like its completely taboo to talk about what soldiers and marines went through in all of those other wars, while WW2 has become mythology.

Call of Duty games are always either made up future wars, WW2, or fictional conflicts within the Cold War. They purposely never touch real battles after WW2 with the exception of a couple of scenes here and there. Battlefield does the same thing, either the game is WW2 (which theyre afraid of portraying accurately these days) or a fictional modern war.

Its such a shame that real stories of heroism from so many different perspectives (not just the Coalition forces) can never be told without someone complaining about how war is bad. Yeah, no shit. But it happened and people were affected by it, so lets talk about it openly.

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There is no political message

Oh boy lol. Illiteracy is a plague

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Does this video game cover how America ethnically cleansed areas of Iraq by labeling citizens there as insurgents?

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2SweetforTurtle posted...

Its such a shame that real stories of heroism from so many different perspectives can never be told

2SweetforTurtle posted...

No you cant use white phosphorus

Hmmm....

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DeadBankerDream posted...

Hmmm....

White phosphorus isnt heroic and thats not what Im talking about when I say stories of heroism. Dont be dense.

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2SweetforTurtle posted...

No there is no political message defending the war itself or anything like that.

2SweetforTurtle posted...

you probably cant even harm the civilians without the game punishing you in some way

So it's inherently political? Because that would be censoring something that actually happened.
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I have no idea what you're talking about. But it sounds like you want to erase war crimes from the popular narratives and just tell the "heroic" part (whatever that is in this case) in an effort to create propaganda.

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Entirely "not political" to portray war criminals as heroes, yup

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Bio1590 posted...

So it's inherently political? Because that would be censoring something that actually happened.

IIRC they said that it would have a presence in the game but that you cant use it. Imagine how horrible the devs would be if they included that.

The weapon wasnt used by every single soldier in battle or anything like that, so why would it be a gameplay feature? Contrary to popular believe, not every soldier carries a grenade, so what makes you think every single one of them had access to white phosphorus to use at a whim?

In any case, theres a clear difference here. When they say that theyre not sending a political message, theyre saying that not defending the marines for harming the civilians, and theyre also not talking about the nature of the war itself. Instead theyre focusing on the stories of the marines and civilians involved. As in, you can tell a story about a marine running into fire to help his wounded battle buddies out of a firefight. Or a story of a civilian saving their children from the dangers of the battle around them, without forcing players to commit acts of terror.

There are stories of heroism that dont ever involve any of the controversial topics, and thats what the game is trying to talk about (at least as far as I can tell from their ads and statements from the devs).

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"Non-political or propagandish " is this game's version of "no lootboxes or P2W".

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The invasion of Fallujah was criminal. In the game it's portrayed as heroic.

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2SweetforTurtle posted...

it happened and people were affected by it, so lets talk about it openly.

We are talking about it openly. It's the game itself that's crafting the information about the conflict in a way that doesn't present a complete picture of what all parties in the battle faced.

And that's the point. The developers, despite saying they don't want to be political, are inherently being so by taking a real-life conflict based on real-life accounts and trying to tell a real-life story. If you're going to do that responsibly, you need to be as thorough as possible.

The developers have said there are civilian elements to the gameplay, but I've not seen such gameplay yet.

2SweetforTurtle posted...

There are stories of heroism that dont ever involve any of the controversial topics

I disagree. In the subject of war, every topic is controversial.

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Coming soon: The Haditha Massacre from Activision.

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CyricZ posted...

We are talking about it openly. It's the game itself that's crafting the information about the conflict in a way that doesn't present a complete picture of what all parties in the battle faced.

And that's the point. The developers, despite saying they don't want to be political, are inherently being so by taking a real-life conflict based on real-life accounts and trying to tell a real-life story. If you're going to do that responsibly, you need to be as thorough as possible.

The developers have said there are civilian elements to the gameplay, but I've not seen such gameplay yet.

I disagree. In the subject of war, every topic is controversial.

Thats fair. So far theres no way to know whether or not the inclusion of the local perspectives was done accurately, faithfully, or tastefully.

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2SweetforTurtle posted...

So far theres no way to know whether or not the inclusion of the local perspectives was done accurately, faithfully, or tastefully.

Do you think there might be a reason for this?

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2SweetforTurtle posted...

So far theres no way to know whether or not the inclusion of the local perspectives was done accurately, faithfully, or tastefully.

I agree, but there are indications based on what we've seen so far.

The press content that was released last month was the start of the controversy. I can't imagine the people in the company were blind to the reaction of making this game resurface.

It's been a month since then and this is what the company believes is most important in telling the press now; gameplay functions and procedural generating. Not the story, not the people being portrayed or followed.

To paraphrase another war-based work, I have a bad feeling about this.

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