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I kinda think it would be a stalemate, until DIO develops to a point where he can stop a longer stretch of time than Diavolo can skip.

D4C's introductioni is just fucked, I'm not really considering the minutiae of how Araki introduces the powers so much as the running themes of the story. Horse thread was just to explain why wounds heal between fights, Jojolion doesn't even give a shit about healing they just recover off screen lol

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Hey, Best Boy totally lost those digits lmao

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Joshu's hand really did job to leaves

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EnvoyOfTheLight posted...

Remember when Valentine could just make square holes in stuff? Araki didn't!

The Menger Sponge thing is just a visualisation of things getting destroyed when they encounter their alt-universe counterpart. Valentine's gun and THE WORLD Diego both get destroyed by such a process, but Araki just didn't bother to actually draw the sponges, because that would be difficult and take a lot of time.

Doe posted...

D4C's introductioni is just fucked, I'm not really considering the minutiae of how Araki introduces the powers so much as the running themes of the story. Horse thread was just to explain why wounds heal between fights, Jojolion doesn't even give a shit about healing they just recover off screen lol

Yeah, Araki got a body horror fetish at some point, so now our protagonists get ripped apart every fight, so each Part now needs a magic cure-all which can heal them. Like how Gold Experience suddenly got the ability to craft body parts which don't turn back to what they originally were.

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I guess it makes sense that JJL doesn't have a healer because of how important the Rokakaka is but the way Araki gets around non-fatal injuries gets pretty lolz-worthy. Rai is just immune to damage apparently *current chapter JJL spoilers* how is he still talking to Josuke/the audience about the infinitesimals after getting shredded and seemingly fainting, Jobin has tricked the audience like three times by saying "that horrible injury? PAPAH MOON KING", now it seems like the whole cast is in pieces from calamity that there's no way causality isn't gonna fucking unravel or something when the explosive spin shreds Tooru

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part 6 doesnt really have a magic healer though yet they get the same kind of injuries

part 4 - oh you had your eye knocked out and your arm ripped off no problem my stand can put you back together in an instant

part 5 - oh you cut out your own tongue? dont worry my stand can regrow that for you

part 6 - an invisible alligator chewed off your leg? i dunno i can try sewing it back on i guess and hope that works

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Yeah part 6 was kinda silly about that

Was there something about FF's cells regening people or am I making that up?

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no but FF could put plankton under someones skin to somehow help with the healing process which didnt instantly heal them but made them get better quicker but yeah it was basically still just jolyne sewing her friends together

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Ah fuck, I need to catch up on Jojolion. I got caught up when The Head Doctor made them bump into things but then I moved on while waiting for the next chapters.

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Don't forget that before Giorno fought Baby Face they were using staples and Bruno's zippers as first aid. But yeah unfortunately for the Part 6 crew they never got a party member with Full Restores. Sort of explains stuff like Hermes being absent for the story for a bit after being maimed during the Limp Bizkit fight (IIRC). Honestly, it's weird that Buccellati's gang was able to function as well as it did, since it was constant stand fights over the course of a week and I'm sure Gold Experience doesn't replenish stamina.

MorganTJ posted...

I'm sure Gold Experience doesn't replenish stamina.

I'm sure it must because 1) the punches load people with "life energy" and 2) turning soil or a laptop into an arm or a fish is surely a creation of energy so he can add energy

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Possibly, but I don't think the life energy did anything to the body, but to the mind/perception instead. Whatever, it's not like Gold Experience doesn't have a million other uses that barely make sense.

My headtheory is that Giorno is just crazy OP because he has three parents, one of them being a vampire.
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By that logic, Gappy is the strongest since he has four parents.

Gappy is doing some pretty fucking insane things against one of the most busted stands in the series.
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So like, how exactly does GER work? I watched through Part 5 twice and still don't think i get it.

Does it basically just transport you into an endless torture dimension? Does it physically send you there? Or is it a mental thing?

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GER is basically YuGiOhs Solemn Judgment.

In the finale, what we see Diavolo doing is his will/intention, but GER just says lolnope and makes it so that it never becomes reality

the death loop is a side-effect of getting killed by GER. The initial death is cancelled, but youre still dead, so you just keep experiencing death.

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The only difference is after King Crimson's ability ends the time that was frozen is skipped ahead 10 seconds while with The World time resumes normally as if the time stop never happened.

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You know what's really interesting is apparently there was a (relatively) recent interview and Araki was asked if he still thought Diavolo deserved the death loop and Araki said yes

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I mean when you think about it, a death loop isnt much different than hell, which is almost certainly where characters like Diavolo would likely end up anyway. >_>

I dont think Diavolo was as bad as Green Day, but i assume if GER was a thing in that fight hed get it too lol

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I think it comes down to Japan at some point developing an extremely harsh outlook on drugs as ruining people and thus the people who facilitate drug usage being the worst of the worst. Its no surprise that the death loop starts with a heroin user

I remember watching Assassination Classroom and femNagisa goes on a Very Special Episode lecture to that guy about how Marijuana cigarettes will fuck him up lol

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Oh that is interesting. I forgot how hardcore Japan is when it comes to drugs.

I remember watching the Japanese dub of Brooklyn 99, and a pretty banal joke about somebody needs some weed got changed to them having a funny head. >_>

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Doe posted...

I think it comes down to Japan at some point developing an extremely harsh outlook on drugs as ruining people and thus the people who facilitate drug usage being the worst of the worst. Its no surprise that the death loop starts with a heroin user

I remember watching Assassination Classroom and femNagisa goes on a Very Special Episode lecture to that guy about how Marijuana cigarettes will fuck him up lol

Caroniver posted...

Ah fuck, I need to catch up on Jojolion. I got caught up when The Head Doctor made them bump into things but then I moved on while waiting for the next chapters.

Alright, so I'm back on Chapter 89 and I'm gonna say something non-spoilery real quick.
I hate how Araki renames chapters when they get a Volume release. It's one thing when he takes chapters with boring titles on release like "_____ Part 1/2/3/4/5" and then gave them better, unique titles in the Volumes, like what he did with "Equivalent Exchange and the University Hospital" Parts 1 and 2, while leaving the rest as a numbered arc, but he mostly does it the other way around. "The Head Doctor of TG University Hospital" Parts 1-3, "Ojiro Again" Parts 1 and 2, "Dangerous Pursuit" Parts 1-6, and "Endless Calamity" Parts 1-8 are now all bunched together under "The Wonder of You (The Miracle of Your Love)" Parts 1-19.

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Caroniver posted...

Parts 1-19.

Yeah it really doesn't help the perception that Wonder of U has gone on too long (people were really doomposting about it around chpt 104, 105 brought back some energy).

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I didn't even know he did that. What the fuck.
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AlisLandale posted...

GER is basically YuGiOhs Solemn Judgment.

In the finale, what we see Diavolo doing is his will/intention, but GER just says lolnope and makes it so that it never becomes reality

the death loop is a side-effect of getting killed by GER. The initial death is cancelled, but youre still dead, so you just keep experiencing death.

So you just get MUDAMUDAMUDA'd and die, but your soul gets locked into a special hell death-loop?

While that's cool for punishment, it doesn't really serve much of a functional purpose, no?

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LostForest posted...

So you just get MUDAMUDAMUDA'd and die, but your soul gets locked into a special hell death-loop?

While that's cool for punishment, it doesn't really serve much of a functional purpose, no?

The way I see it, GER "Resets" Fate. All GER does is make Fate take longer to take effect. So Diavolo was killed, or rather, "Fated to die", but GER reset that Fate. So now he's "Fated to die" forever.
I think.

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LostForest posted...

So you just get MUDAMUDAMUDA'd and die, but your soul gets locked into a special hell death-loop?

While that's cool for punishment, it doesn't really serve much of a functional purpose, no?

Its not just that. Its power is return to zero which is just a fancy way of saying he removes the effect of the cause-effect relationship (because KCs power is to skip over the cause). Basically, nothing can hurt him because he can just undo the effects of any actions the opponent takes. He can also freely remove the effects of his own actions, which is what he did to keep Diavolo in an infinite dying loop without ever reaching the endpoint of death.

GER: You will never arrive at the reality that will occur. None who stand before me shall ever do so, no matter what abilities they may wield.

Oh, and also he has a powered-up version of GEs life injection.