Current Events > Falcon and the Winter Soldier won't be as popular as Wandavision

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two C-list avengers in what looks to be purely a action show, maybe it'll trend once on twitter

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Aren't Scarlett Witch and Vision two C-list avengers? All they do is goof off half the season and people ate that shit up.

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Wanda and Vision weren't also two C-list Avengers?

I admit I'm far less hyped for it, but I think it'll honestly do better. For a lot of people, the fun sitcom stuff in Wandavision was a giant hurdle. F&TWS looks more typically Marvel.
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Trelve posted...

Wanda and Vision weren't also two C-list Avengers?

they're b-listers. They were pretty much a huge focus in AoU, Civil War, IW, and Endgame.

Bucky had civil war but if you took him out of IW and endgame pretty much nothing would change tbh
Sam is even worse off, I can hardly remember what he did in most of those movies

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I'm still looking forward to it. I really didnt like how Wandavision spiralled into mediocrity, when it had such an amazing mystery to it for awhile.

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I watch these movies for vision and wanda...said nobody prior to wandavision.

It will be fine, might even be more popular. Hope people don't go into this with crazy theories as well and cry when they don't pan out

You underestimate how many people are mindlessly obsessed with MCU content.

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The Winter Soldier has always been considered one of the best movies in the MCU. And people love the banter between Falcon and Bucky. This is going to be more popular than Wandavision

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Iron Man was a fuckin D-lister before his movie exploded and people suddenly started caring about him.

MCU is huge. people will eat up anything Marvel, by now. you honestly think the world would have given a shit about an Ant Man movie pre-MCU? Nevermind TWO.

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It might not, but I feel like Loki might be. Definitely looking forward to that the most next since it's seems to be going in some crazy direction. I think Falcon and the Winter Soldier will be a good in-between.

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"Superhero fatigue!"

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InfinityMonster posted...

It might not, but I feel like Loki might be. Definitely looking forward to that the most next since it's seems to be going in some crazy direction. I think Falcon and the Winter Soldier will be a good in-between.

I think there's a large population who just wants dudes in explosions (Falcon may be more in this). So don't underestimate the appeal of this

aren't the captain america movies widely considered the best 'non-avenger' movies in the MCU? i cant see this bombing unless its epically bad.

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isn't it pretty much "Captain America: The Show" though?

monkmith posted...

aren't the captain america movies widely considered the best 'non-avenger' movies in the MCU? i cant see this bombing unless its epically bad.

Eh

Civil War is an avengers movie. While I like it, I don't think too many people have the first one high up their lists. Winter Soldier is up there for people as one of the best non avengers movies and this has a similar feel to that.

Oh no! It wont be popular so I wont be cool

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I think it has the capability of being more well received. Looks more action focused/classic MCU and I think people that didn't like WandaVision for whatever reason will be satisfied with Falcon and the Winter Soldier.

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monkmith posted...

aren't the captain america movies widely considered the best 'non-avenger' movies in the MCU? i cant see this bombing unless its epically bad.

just winter soldier
the first captain america movie was one of the weaker MCU films and civil war was an avenger movie

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PrideOfLion posted...

Tbf every phase 1 movie that wasn't IM1 was pretty weak

I get hate for this, but that one was one of the weaker movies. It just got the formula out first.

It may lose a slight bit of WandaVision's hype by virtue of not having the "wtf" angle and not having the "first D+ MCU show" thing going for it, but at this point it's foolish to think that there's gonna be anything MCU related that isn't wildly popular.

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I dunno, Falcon and Winter Soldier actually come from a way better film than Wanda and Vision, and they've generally been more important characters, even though Wanda and Vision have kicked more booty.

And for me, at least, Falcon is my favorite Avenger, so I'm definitely in.

Anything would have a hard time following Wandavision. An action show in the vein of Jack Ryan is going to have a hard time stacking up against a surreal horror sitcom pastiche that gave two very underbaked characters the development they've needed for years. It's like following Spirited Away with Fury.

With that being said, if Falcon and the Winter Soldier is being headed by the Russo brothers, it'll have a fighting chance at being a well received show. Those guys know how to make entertaining comic book stuff, whether it's whatever the fuck Endgame was or an action romp like Captain America 2. And the show might have a similar appeal to Wandavision, because all I know about Bucky Barnes comes from him being a plot device from Winter Soldier onwards - it could fill out his character in a similar way to Wanda and Vision.

And while Falcon had a great establishing movie, he's just sort of been a sidedish character ever since Civil War - he had a great cameo in Ant Man, before we knew that he'd basically be reduced to that sort of role going forward. After that, he's pretty much just a poseable action figure to supplement the rest of the movies.

Falcon and the Winter Soldier could be good if they do a remotely decent job with the character building. I feel like that's what this phase of Marvel is all about - they're actually adding depth to characters who've been missing it this entire time. I didn't give a fuck about Scarlet Witch until now, she had a little bit of focus in Ultron before becoming a poseable action figure from Civil War onwards. I didn't give a fuck about Vision at all, I never got his deal and I never saw him really get to kick ass.

Wandavision fixed both characters, because they're actually written as their own in-depth characters, their supposed romance is actually justified and shown instead of happening offscreen and being forced into an emotional lynchpin moment for a greater crossover movie despite having next to no development, and they actually get defining superhero movements like you'd see in a proper character-establishing movie.

Bucky Barnes has a journey, but does he have much character? For most of his time in the franchise, outside of maybe the first Captain America movie, he's been a plot device. Falcon was a cool new addition in Winter Soldier, but since then he hasn't had much to do. This upcoming TV show could do a good job of developing and establishing these two characters in a way that the movies have neglected, just like Wandavision did for Wanda and Vision.

Viewing it as an action show ala Jack Ryan makes it seem likely to be a failure - but thinking about it as a Marvel show featuring two underbaked characters, coming off the heels of a greatly successful show featuring two underbaked characters? I doubt it'll be as unorthodox and charming as Wandavision, but it could still be really good if they're trying to do the same sort of thing that Wandavision excelled at.

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WandaVision also has the advantage of X-men fans dying for the slightest scrap of X-men related stuff. F&WS is stuck with Captain America lore, which most people don't give much of a shit about... most people's interest in Cap is tied to how much of a Chris Evans fan they are >_>

Tom Clark posted...

It may lose a slight bit of WandaVision's hype by virtue of not having the "wtf" angle and not having the "first D+ MCU show" thing going for it, but at this point it's foolish to think that there's gonna be anything MCU related that isn't wildly popular.

All the movies wanda and vision were in, Falcon was in

Loki was the one of the three that I was most looking forward to.

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Raikuro posted...

WandaVision also has the advantage of X-men fans dying for the slightest scrap of X-men related stuff. F&WS is stuck with Captain America lore, which most people don't give much of a shit about... most people's interest in Cap is tied to how much of a Chris Evans fan they are >_>

I'm pretty sure Wolverine is part of Cap's lore. Maybe I'm not remembering correctly though.
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