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Any time one of these tops come up I just like to say that China is an extreme fascist state that Hitler himself would probably think is going to far; absolute dogshit tier nation run by dogshit politicians who seem to only get off on genocide and slavery.

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Materus posted...

Any time one of these tops come up I just like to say that China is an extreme fascist state that Hitler himself would probably think is going to far; absolute dogshit tier nation run by dogshit politicians who seem to only get off on genocide and slavery.

Honestly he would probably like em. Guy liked Iran and Muslims.

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I'm honestly afraid of China, i feel like they're the model other governments are going to be working towards because of how well they solidify their power and control their people, I used to think the way North Korea treats it's people would be a "Nah, they'd never be able to do that here" kinda thing but China, not only is China doing it in their country their power and influence is spreading to other countries. The US government is already slowly chipping away our rights with effective democrats and traitorous republicans all it takes if for Russia to lose their world power status as well

If I'm being honest, I feel like in 50 years or more the entire world could be ran like how China is being run

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tremain07 posted...

If I'm being honest, I feel like in 50 years or more the entire world could be ran like how China is being run

Stop! Shab can only get so erect

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UnholyMudcrab posted...

What a disgusting and also completely unsurprising topic

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Ex-Kefiroth posted...

Isn't the UK accepting any immigrants who lived there under British rule?

I hope everyone who wants to get out is able to get out before Xi puts the final clampdown on HK.

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/politics/article/3119777/hong-kong-national-security-law-beijing-will-not-recognise

China is trying to prevent them from being able to leave.

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ssjevot posted...

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/politics/article/3119777/hong-kong-national-security-law-beijing-will-not-recognise

China is trying to prevent them from being able to leave.

Thats how you know a country is descending into real tyranny. Like, Ok, theyre going to push for laws you dont agree with, its whatever. But when you and your family cant even leave, you are screwed.

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Lorenzo_2003 posted...

Thats how you know a country is descending into real tyranny. Like, Ok, theyre going to push for laws you dont agree with, its whatever. But when you and your family cant even leave, you are screwed.

And note that their shills have free reign on the internet including obviously here, to post their propaganda lmao

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pure_temper posted...

And note that their shills have free reign on the internet including obviously here, to post their propaganda lmao

Im really conflicted about that, though.

On the one hand, you make a good point. On the other, having an open discussion with differing views is a big part of the bedrock of Western values. For example, you and I might not agree on much, but Im still glad you can share your opinion... then I can tell you its the wrong opinion.

J/k, but you get what Im saying.

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Lorenzo_2003 posted...

Im really conflicted about that, though.

On the one hand, you make a good point. On the other, having an open discussion with differing views is a big part of the bedrock of Western values. For example, you and I might not agree on much, but Im still glad you can share your opinion... then I can tell you its the wrong opinion.

J/k, but you get what Im saying.

It's an irony isn't it, people using their right to free speech to express why we shouldn't have free speech lmfao

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UnholyMudcrab posted...

You heard it here, folks. Labor camps and cultural genocide? That's just harmless modernization. Get over yourselves.

Dont shill for slavery and feudalism, please.

https://youtu.be/pSWaFsLgEpU

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ObjectiveLogic posted...

Fuck the Chinese government. My heart goes out to all Hong Kongers who are watching their way of life slowly slip away.

DEKMStephens posted...

It's an irony isn't it, people using their right to free speech to express why we shouldn't have free speech lmfao

So youre saying our greatest strength is also our greatest weakness?

Well, damn. No wonder Xi Jingping and Chinas CP are all smug and shit.

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You literally shill for cultural genocide, authoritarianism, imperialism, and oppose worker and human rights, then try to claim the moral high ground.

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ssjevot posted...

You literally shill for cultural genocide, authoritarianism, imperialism, and oppose worker and human rights,

I dont do any of that. I wish you would engage without letting your emotions rip control from you.

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Shablagoo posted...

Dont shill for slavery and feudalism, please.

Honestly I want to give you a chance because you do have a point. I can see how that exaggeration gets peddled around a lot even by our own headlines sometimes, by idiot politicians looking to virtue signal and one-up each other. So maybe you have a point. I'll give you an honest chance - HOW isn't it genocide? What are the best and most objective sources you have? I'd fucking LOVE for it to be propaganda against China. Because I want to visit China so bad.

Looks amazing there. And I wanna eat the food and the women are beautiful.

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Shablagoo posted...

I dont do any of that. I wish you would engage without letting your emotions rip control from you.

You literally defend not being allowed to vote, speak your own language, form your own union, go on strike, practice your own religion, or criticize the government, police, or politicians. What you do is pretend to be leftist thinking people will take your seriously then post pictures of Shenzhen and claim it is socialism. Like how dumb does someone have to be to think a special economic region with 9 to 9 work hours for 6 days a week with no vacation, no unions, and no regulations is socialism? You literally only care what a government calls itself. If it says it is socialist you give zero shits what they actually do and that's pathetic.

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@ssjevot hang on it may be the case that he is a socialist but is just of the view that China is simply making good progress recently in becoming better, not that it's already socialist

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the world might not be a better place if Canada, the US, Israel, and Europe were scrutinized as heavily as China. but it would almost certainly be a place that made me feel less insane

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pure_temper posted...

@ssjevot hang on it may be the case that he is a socialist but is just of the view that China is simply making good progress recently in becoming better, not that it's already socialist

He posts on Chinese nationalist and tankie subreddits. He isn't a socialist.

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This messed up.

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If he is a Chinese national, he may have no choice but to get information from those channels. Based on post #68 it really does seem like there may be a serious miscommunication happening right now in real time, accelerated by social media and the speed of the internet. Comparable to Soviet Union / Cold War territory fear-mongering / propagandizing on both sides.

TC what is the best proof you have that things aren't as we say? About what's goin on out there

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i mean @ ssjevot feel free to just strtaight up tell me I'm wrong if you personally have seen that the situation in China really is how the media says it is

WallStreetBets has proven to fucking everyone the non-independent hyper-partisan media on all sides cannot be trusted.

Fundamentally we are all on the same side. The billionaire side is fucking us. tankie vs enlightened Marxian may be another last false debate.

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pure_temper posted...

@ssjevot hang on it may be the case that he is a socialist but is just of the view that China is simply making good progress recently in becoming better, not that it's already socialist

I did assert just what you say in post #28.

ssjevot posted...

You literally defend not being allowed to vote, speak your own language, form your own union, go on strike, practice your own religion, or criticize the government, police, or politicians.

All incorrect. I request that you stop making things up about me.

You literally only care what a government calls itself. If it says it is socialist you give zero s***s what they actually do and that's pathetic.

This, too, is incorrect.

averagejoel posted...

the world might not be a better place if Canada, the US, Israel, and Europe were scrutinized as heavily as China. but it would almost certainly be a place that made me feel less insane

A capitalist hellhole world has no right to make us feel at all insane, but I commiserate.

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A hellhole world is not one I will tolerate. And the good news is that I'm confident we have a good 50 years before we TRULY need to fucking change and fast. At this rate, we'll have solved climate issues and basic needs issues in the next 25 and the next 25 after that will be pure coasting to bliss/Singularity maybe. Or a pleasant somber stagnation.

edit: if we fucking work together peaceably

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pure_temper posted...

i mean @ ssjevot feel free to just strtaight up tell me I'm wrong if you personally have seen that the situation in China really is how the media says it is

WallStreetBets has proven to fucking everyone the non-independent hyper-partisan media on all sides cannot be trusted.

Fundamentally we are all on the same side. The billionaire side is fucking us. tankie vs enlightened Marxian may be another last false debate.

I go to China every year, but I haven't been back since I evacuated Wuhan last February. It's not really a secret how it is. You can read plenty of articles or watch videos. The only people who pretend it is socialist are weirdos in the West. China was proud to declare it has the most billionaires in the world this year, already having the most millionaires. You go to any city in China and it's just endless capitalism. Everyone knows forming your own union and striking is illegal, it's literally in the law. Why would you assume they lie about their own laws? It's just an extremely capitalist country with massive income inequality, similar to the US, but the GDP per capita is a lot lower so the poor feel poorer, but it's more so a matter of scale. I don't like the US either, but you have far more rights there and being able to vote in a shitty system and complain about the government is better than not having any say and not being allowed to complain. Honestly the main reason I never want to live in China is the media sucks. We always bring a bunch of games and stuff to watch because you can only watch nationalist sanitized bullshit there without using a VPN (we downloaded some Switch games from Hong Kong over VPN and oh my god was it slow). The stuff that gets sanitized is ridiculous too. Like Bohemian Rhapsody removed all gay scenes, and it was done lazily making it incomprehensible at parts.

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Shablagoo posted...

You literally defend not being allowed to vote, speak your own language, form your own union, go on strike, practice your own religion, or criticize the government, police, or politicians.

All incorrect. I request that you stop making things up about me.

Do you think the Chinese government should allow people to vote for their own government, speak their local languages in school, form their own unions, go on strike, practice their own religion freely, and criticize the government, police, or politicians freely?

If you said yes to any of those you are opposed to the current government in China and may want to consider not defending them like it's your job.

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ssjevot posted...

I got to China every year, but I haven't been back since I evacuated Wuhan last February. It's not really a secret how it is. You can read plenty of articles or watch videos. The only people who pretend it is socialist are weirdos in the West. China was proud to declare it has the most billionaires in the world this year, already having the most millionaires. You go to any city in China and it's just endless capitalism. Everyone knows forming your own union and striking is illegal, it's literally in the law. Why would you assume they lie about their own laws? It's just an extremely capitalist country with massive income inequality, similar to the US, but the GDP per capita is a lot lower so the poor feel poorer, but it's more so a matter of scale. I don't like the US either, but you have far more rights there and being able to vote in a shitty system and complain about the government is better than not having any say and not being allowed to complain. Honestly the main reason I never want to live in China is the media sucks. We always bring a bunch of games and stuff to watch because you can only watch nationalist sanitized bullshit there without using a VPN (we downloaded some Switch games from Hong Kong over VPN and oh my god was it slow). The stuff that gets sanitized is ridiculous too. Like Bohemian Rhapsody removed all gay scenes, and it was done lazily making it incomprehensible at parts.

holy fuck dude for real? are you fucking serious? lmfao this is insanely hilarious and awesome

you guys... lmfao America and western Europe and Canada actually literally are the heroes and the actual Marxian success stories.

no wonder the red scare. the red scare WAS the capitalist propaganda that stopped our progress via the JFK assassination.

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ssjevot posted...

Do you think the Chinese government should allow people to vote for their own government, speak their local languages in school, form their own unions, go on strike, practice their own religion freely, and criticize the government, police, or politicians freely?

If you said yes to any of those you are opposed to the current government in China and may want to consider not defending them like it's your job.

lmfao this is the most legendary takedown I've seen in like damn near 10 years of CE

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I want to hear more about the dozens of police killings from the protests last year.

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shnangyboos posted...

I want to hear more about the dozens of police killings from the protests last year.

they cant speak about it anymore. they're all dead :(.
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You dont have to keep reiterating that you have an irrational bias against China, ssj. Its already abundantly clear.

shnangyboos posted...

I want to hear more about the dozens of police killings from the protests last year.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_police_violence_incidents_during_George_Floyd_protests

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/george-floyd-killing-police-black-people-killed-164/

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You'll have point out the deaths to me.

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Shablagoo posted...

You dont have to keep reiterating that you have an irrational bias against China, ssj. Its already abundantly clear.

nah dude I expect better than that. Like I said, I'm giving you a chance in case you're just a Chinese national who is propagandized the way we are. I'm curious what you would legitimately say about what ssjevot said in post # 78

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pure_temper posted...

holy fuck dude for real? are you fucking serious? lmfao this is insanely hilarious and awesome

you guys... lmfao America and western Europe and Canada actually literally are the heroes and the actual Marxian success stories.

no wonder the red scare. the red scare WAS the capitalist propaganda that stopped our progress via the JFK assassination.

The US is awful, social democracies are much better. It isn't that socialism is bad, it's that authoritarian state capitalism isn't socialism. You shouldn't want to live in a dictatorship with no rights for a vague promise of socialism someday (China used to say it would transition to socialism in 2050, but changed it to 2070 last year).

You should go to China. I encourage everyone to. In my opinion things were getting a lot better until Xi's faction took over and purged the opposition. Since Xi is now president for life it's only going to get worse. The key to China is laws don't really matter. If you aren't opposing the party directly damn near anything goes. People break the law constantly all the time and openly. Money definitely is the key to everything, nothing is more important. The best part of China is the food for sure. If you go to the countryside you will see a lot of the actual poverty. You are born into a class system in China with a right to live in the city or not. If you are stuck with a farm Hukou, you have to buy your way into a city Hukou which often involves working in a factory for very little and staying in illegal shanty towns. Good documentary on it by SCMP. I have relatives that are landlords and don't work (also members of the communist party) and they will do stuff like get us the best hotel room in Beijing, first class tickets on the train, drivers to pick us up at the train station, extravagant meals. It just sucks because I don't have much money and there is a pressure to constantly display your wealth and I can't do that (I spent most of my life living off $20,000 a year at most).

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Shablagoo posted...

You dont have to keep reiterating that you have an irrational bias against China, ssj. Its already abundantly clear.

Lol, I have been there many times, have family there, speak the language versus some white guy who makes up bullshit about it on the internet. Yeah man, you got me.

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ssjevot posted...

The US is awful, social democracies are much better. It isn't that socialism is bad, it's that authoritarian state capitalism isn't socialism. You shouldn't want to live in a dictatorship with no rights for a vague promise of socialism someday (China used to say it would transition to socialism in 2050, but changed it to 2070 last year).

You should go to China. I encourage everyone to. In my opinion things were getting a lot better until Xi's faction took over and purged the opposition. Since Xi is now president for life it's only going to get worse. The key to China is laws don't really matter. If you aren't opposing the part directly damn near anything goes. People break the law constantly all the time and openly. Money definitely is the key to everything, nothing is more important. The best part of China is the food for sure. If you go to the countryside you will see a lot of the actual poverty. You are born into a class system in China with a right to live in the city or not. If you are stuck with a farm Hukou, you have to buy your way into a city Hukou which often involves working in a factory for very little and staying in illegal shanty towns. Good documentary on it by SCMP. I have relatives that are landlords and don't work (also members of the communist party) and they will do stuff like get us the best hotel room in Beijing, first class tickets on the train, drivers to pick us up at the train station, extravagant meals. It just sucks because I don't have much money and there is a pressure to constantly display your wealth and I can't do that (I spent most of my life living off $20,000 a year at most).

Man that's truly depressing. I was hoping that China was gonna improve or that there was a reason to be optimistic about it. :( I'd love to visit it, but at this rate, it really sounds like it's just a bad idea.

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pure_temper posted...

nah dude I expect better than that. Like I said, I'm giving you a chance in case you're just a Chinese national who is propagandized the way we are. I'm curious what you would legitimately say about what ssjevot said in post # 78

He's a white guy. Chinese people don't try to claim they are socialist because they aren't taught that in school. The government says they are practicing state capitalism and will transition to socialism in the future. Actually advocating socialism will get you in trouble (fired, banned from social media, or if you go far enough imprisoned).

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pure_temper posted...

Man that's truly depressing. I was hoping that China was gonna improve or that there was a reason to be optimistic about it. :( I'd love to visit it, but at this rate, it really sounds like it's just a bad idea.

Why is it a bad idea? If you have money and aren't intentionally trying to cause a problem it's probably safer than the US (where someone might literally attack you for your skin color). But yes things will only get stricter under the Xi regime because he is a Han nationalist and is openly promoting that and removing opposing views.

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Shab, what's the deal with your posting about China? Are you a really dedicated troll, or is this a backlash to anti-Chinese sentiment that's gone too far? Because you can dislike the way that racists co-opt discussions about China to be racist, and acknowledge the fucked up things that their government is doing at the same time.

And you can acknowledge the fucked up things that western nations do while decrying the shit that China's doing, too. You post like it has to be one or the other - that because we live in places where fucked up shit happens, we can't discuss China due to hypocrisy. That we should stay in our own Lane and fix what's broken where we live before we start going after other nations and cultures.

But what if we do acknowledge the fucked up things in our own countries, and make the same accommodations to decry and protest those issues? Because Australia does have refugee camps with substandard conditions, and America does have detainment centres where hysterectomies are being carried out on unwilling women. We can't get that twisted, and it's a worthwhile pursuit to make these human rights violations more well known.

But how does that disqualify us from talking about China's detainment camps? About long-standing reports of organ harvesting, of brainwashing and torture of a religious and ethnic minority? About their brazen and undisguised false imprisonment of political prisoners, and their objective use of re-education camps that some people never end up leaving? These issues are just as real as the issues faced by Australia and America, and they can be and should be discussed. They shouldn't be excluded because of our own problems, especially if we understand those problems in our own backyards and disagree just as much with them as we do with the horrendous shit happening in China.

I never used to mind seeing you around, but topics like this are genuinely disgraceful on your part. You make a big show of defending China, preaching "sinophobia" when people bring up the numerous and extensive human rights violations China is responsible for - but then you make a topic about China stripping democracy from Hong Kong - an objectively bad fucking thing - and your first response to people decrying it is "the British Empire committed atrocities too" to downplay the news that you posted.

That's not to say that you're wrong about the British Empire. That's not in dispute. Britain fucked a lot of cultures around the world for centuries, and that's worth talking about and keeping in mind. But under British rule, Hong Kongers weren't being thrown in jail for political dissidence or being shot in the head by rubber bullets for protesting. Under British rule, Hong Kong was a free nation, and the people of Hong Kong liked that.

And now they're being shot, beaten and thrown in jail for resisting a regime that infringes on the freedoms they grew to love. That's the news of the day - people are being detained right now, by China, for advocating for the same freedom they've had for the entirety of their lives.

If no-one talks about it, even with our own issues, then the Uighur population is going to be persecuted to the point of genocide. On top of the Kurds and Armenians right now, we will be viewing the targeted extermination of the Uighur until the rest of them are rendered infertile, worked to death, imprisoned for life or outright killed. My country's inhumane treatment of asylum seekers deserves coverage and we need to do better - but that doesn't exclude me, a citizen of Australia, from understanding and decrying what China is doing to their own people. To the people from other countries they imprison for using their platform to criticize China's human rights violations. For understanding the violence and fervour of the Chinese government to bring undue harm to people who don't deserve it. To reconcile that with my own country's failings, and to pursue both evils.

How can you shitpost about the people who are going through that by saying "your country isn't ideologically pure either, so you should stay in your own lane and not talk about it"? Either you're genuinely so far gone that you don't believe anyone can have multiple causes or oppose more than one thing at a time, you've bought so heavily into China's attempts to deflect from their own human rights violations that you're repeating the same dogshit party line the Chinese government feeds the rest of the world, or you're one of the most dedicated, callous trolls I've seen in a long-ass time.

I never used to mind you, Shab, but this is out of line. You can go and buddy up with that dogshit subreddit when you rightfully get moderated for this horseshit you keep posting, but I hope you realise that you're being moderated because you're the problem in this situation, not because you're being targeted by sinophobic bias in the moderation staff.

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Good Capitialism bad.

Hong Kong wanted "The American Dream" under the pretense that they were going to be rich if they were free. All that would have happened is Hong Kong becomming gentrified like san francisco.

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ssjevot posted...

Why is it a bad idea? If you have money and aren't intentionally trying to cause a problem it's probably safer than the US (where someone might literally attack you for your skin color). But yes things will only get stricter under the Xi regime because he is a Han nationalist and is openly promoting that and removing opposing views.

well I'm sure that our comrade over here has already reported everyone on CE to his manager, so how can I guarantee I'd come back in one piece? lmao prior to a year or two ago my dream was to spend some time traveling in China and who knows maybe even meeting a hot babe out there lmao. Get married, etc. I really wanted that, planned something with my coworker too! And then this freaking situation with the pandemic started and REALLY heightened problems between the countries...idk.

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@MrMallard

hahahahhahahahahga omfg you're fucking incredible. God all fucking mighty I'm screening this

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Ubergeneral3 posted...

Good Capitialism bad.

Hong Kong wanted "The American Dream" under the pretense that they were going to be rich if they were free. All that would have happened is Hong Kong becomming gentrified like san francisco.

Hong Kong is already one of, if not the most capitalist place on Earth. You have obviously never been there if you think it could somehow have become more capitalist or more gentrified. How do people even come up with stuff like this?

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The killings in that second link seem to be entirely unrelated to the protests.

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pure_temper posted...

well I'm sure that our comrade over here has already reported everyone on CE to his manager, so how can I guarantee I'd come back in one piece? lmao prior to a year or two ago my dream was to spend some time traveling in China and who knows maybe even meeting a hot babe out there lmao. Get married, etc. I really wanted that, planned something with my coworker too! And then this freaking situation with the pandemic started and REALLY heightened problems between the countries...idk.

Nah, I know plenty of people in the CCP. They don't care about some American white knighting them online. Actual there are slurs for (specifically white) people like him in Chinese. He would be in for a world of disappointment if he went to China expecting a hero's welcome or any kind of financial assistance. I feel like he would get his visa revoked within a month when he tries to skip out on rent.

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unironic tankies are just as bad as literal nazis.

you all deserve to have your blood flood the streets

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damn ive never seen metralo break character

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pure_temper posted...

Was jk btw

ill never marry nazi or tankie

Most members of the CCP are just normal people. Very few actually buy into the ideology. The wealthy largely have to become members so if it has any standard ideology it's just capitalism. The nationalist stuff is mainly for control over the masses, a lot of party members aren't that nationalist. You have to realize a very large percent of the population is in the party (just looked it up, 91,914,000 members).

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