Current Events > so my new job has a "take what you need" Paid time off policy.

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what does that mean

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oooof thats gonna get abused

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Take what you need

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It means you will be guilted for every single hour you take no matter what the reasoning is

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BignutzisBack posted...

It means you will be guilted for every single hour you take no matter what the reasoning is

BignutzisBack posted...

It means you will be guilted for every single hour you take no matter what the reasoning is

Lol
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Yeah my company used to be like that for sick days.

Then I was sick for a week, and guess what?

Cerealmilk posted...

Yeah my company used to be like that for sick days.

Then I was sick for a week, and guess what?

you died

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BignutzisBack posted...

It means you will be guilted for every single hour you take no matter what the reasoning is

isnt that literally every job in the USAs PTO policy

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It means every request will be denied.

Or it means they treat you like an adult as long as you get your work done. I doubt its that one though.

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Something abused at the least or utilized each and every holdiayfor extended days off.

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im so confused

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Tired-Insomniac posted...

isnt that literally every job in the USAs PTO policy

lolno
I typically have between 5 and 6 sick days and 5 and 10 vacation days at a job. Once I use that all up and take a day off, I don't get paid. "Take what you need" sounds like unlimited PTO.

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My old job used to do this as well. Technically everyone had unlimited vacation days. No idea if they still implement that.

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I hear that employees end up taking less time off on average under these systems.

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Take all the time off you need. But please still be sure to put in your 60-80 hrs a week.

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It's a horrible policy.

With allotted and scheduled PTO, you can just yolo take days off and be confident about it.

With this "take what you need" attitude, you have to deal a lot with justifying your "need" for taking time off.

It sounds great on paper but is horrific in practice.

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it means theyre trying to attract a ton of employees then dwindle them down while simultaneously removing that clause

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Tired-Insomniac posted...

isnt that literally every job in the USAs PTO policy

Not all though I'm sure it's quite frequent. My boss is pretty cool about it. I get 15 PTO days a year and toward the end of last year I still had them all so I used 5 of them to take the entire last week of October off. Boss asked what my plans were and I just told him straight up I just wanted to be lazy at home for a week instead of working and he just laughed and told me to enjoy it.

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It's either awesome or, depending on your personality, a hot bed of being abused or cussing

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Its a trap!

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I need paper, so I'm not taking time off. The rest of you can relax, kick your feet up on a comfortable recliner. I'll be moving up, bit by bit.

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Good god, why do I hear nothing positive about US workplaces and employers?
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LightningAce11 posted...

Good god, why do I hear nothing positive about US workplaces and employers?

Because, in general, the culture here is to put your job and career above all else. Corporate America is like its own weird little cult. Many of those high-up in charge whove worked their way up the ladder got there by subscribing to the culture. So, the expectation is that if you want to keep your job and/or get ahead, you have to follow suit.

Layer on the complexities that working for a publicly traded company bring, where the primary goal is to drive that share price up at all costs, and thats pretty much why we are where we are.

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Unlimited PTO is the bullshit of bullshit.

Like I'm sure there are some companies that do it right but for most it just makes it harder for the employees to take off the time they would want to take.

When you have a set number of PTO hours, they are yours. It isn't up for debate or dispute. If you have two weeks off you can take two weeks off. When you have unlimited PTO, or as long as the work gets done, you are put in the situation of having to defend your PTO usage. And even if the company doesn't intend for it to feel that way, the employee will still end up feeling it.

My recommendation. Pretend you have three weeks of vacation and take off time like that's your allotted PTO for the year. Track it so you can tell anyone who pushes back on you exactly how much you have taken. You can adjust going forward based on the success of your initial three weeks. Everything got done, nobody complained? Try for four next year. People started fighting you at week three or the work started to fall behind. Do three weeks again but plan it out better.

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I worked at a place where you had to use a specific form to request time off and they purposely never put any out... so you had to go to the managers office to get one and hed grill the fuck out of you and make low-key threats and you'd have to stand your ground to even get the form.

And then go through it again when you turned it in. And then either get refused, or get approved knowing you were gonna be in the shit when you came back from your time off.

Fuck that place.

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