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SpiritSephiroth
07/16/21 8:26:58 PM
#352:


Feel so guilty, didn't get anything done today. Was too hot and I felt so tired argh!

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SpiritSephiroth
07/17/21 9:07:27 PM
#353:


Bump! Heatwave coming today. Also we're finished with the Keigo section in class for now. Happy we're going back to standard Japanese to be honest.

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Stalolin
07/17/21 11:48:54 PM
#354:


What the hell is Keigo?

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Rimmer_Dall
07/18/21 3:14:51 AM
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Stalolin posted...
What the hell is Keigo?
Japanese has different levels of honorific speech, collectively known as keigo. In order from lowest to highest (in both honorific level and difficulty of use) they're polite (teineigo), respectful (sonkeigo) and humble (kenjougo). Colloquially the word "keigo" is often used to refer just to the latter two because of how common and simple the first form is. Which one you use depends on factors like intimacy (you don't use keigo with family or close friends), age (be polite to your elders) and the relative social status of the people speaking (be respectful to customers because the customer is god).

Respectful speech is used to speak highly of another person and humble speech is about speaking poorly of oneself. In practice it's about using rare words and complicated forms of old-fashioned grammar which makes them almost seem like a whole other language, which is why it's so difficult. Businessess in Japan usually teach employees keigo, and if you don't use it when you're supposed to you can expect to lose your job.
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SpiritSephiroth
07/18/21 8:35:40 PM
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Thats kinda scary, but I guess they're more lenient on foreigners in businesses? Its good to learn though but first I want to learn normal Japanese.

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SpiritSephiroth
07/19/21 7:18:48 PM
#357:


Doing a quiz on a character in Keigo that the class has to guess from the pieces of information I reveal about them. I chose Ayumi Hamasaki. I hope they know who that is, she's pretty damn big in Japan.

Although whenever I speaak about famous Idol groups, actors, actresses, singers ect, they never know who they are >_>

Edit: Maybe I should change it to Gackt. Hmm.

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Itachi157
07/19/21 7:27:47 PM
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SpiritSephiroth posted...
Doing a quiz on a character in Keigo that the class has to guess from the pieces of information I reveal about them. I chose Ayumi Hamasaki. I hope they know who that is, she's pretty damn big in Japan.

Although whenever I speaak about famous Idol groups, actors, actresses, singers ect, they never know who they are >_>

Edit: Maybe I should change it to Gackt. Hmm.

Change it to some anime character and I'm sure they'd know it
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SpiritSephiroth
07/19/21 7:55:23 PM
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Itachi157 posted...
Change it to some anime character and I'm sure they'd know it

Funny story that. A lot of the anime lovers dropped out of our courses fairly early on. Most of the students in my class are more older and aren't very into anime or videogames (Except for one girl who literally works at a famous videogame company) and a few other guys.

Other than that, most of the girls who liked J-idols like me have left as well, gone back to China/Taiwan/Korea ect.

If I did someone like Goku or Naruto, most of them may recognize it though. So thats a good idea actually.

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SpiritSephiroth
07/20/21 8:47:56 PM
#360:


Okay finishing off the quiz then onto other homework.

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Rimmer_Dall
07/21/21 5:39:32 AM
#361:


https://syosetu.org/novel/214736/

Gotta share this one. I read a lot of fanfiction, and this one is currently sharing the top spot with the best fics I've ever read (and it shows because this fic was published just last year and it's already the most liked and top rated One Piece fic on the entire site).

Anyway, plot. It's a pseudo-crossover/SI with One Piece and Touhou. Over 40 years before Luffy's adventure starts a girl who ate a devil fruit that gave her the power of Houjuu Nue meets Kaidou, and together they join the most evil pirate crew in history, the Rocks Pirates. Hijinks and crimes against humanity ensue.

The comedy is absolutely top-notch and I've burst out laughing several times. The fic feels almost like something Oda could've written with how good the quality is
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SpiritSephiroth
07/21/21 8:54:32 PM
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Rimmer_Dall posted...
https://syosetu.org/novel/214736/

Gotta share this one. I read a lot of fanfiction, and this one is currently sharing the top spot with the best fics I've ever read (and it shows because this fic was published just last year and it's already the most liked and top rated One Piece fic on the entire site).

Anyway, plot. It's a pseudo-crossover/SI with One Piece and Touhou. Over 40 years before Luffy's adventure starts a girl who ate a devil fruit that gave her the power of Houjuu Nue meets Kaidou, and together they join the most evil pirate crew in history, the Rocks Pirates. Hijinks and crimes against humanity ensue.

The comedy is absolutely top-notch and I've burst out laughing several times. The fic feels almost like something Oda could've written with how good the quality is

Reminds me that I got to start reading like this, but my Japanese is still low level. Need to persevere.

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FightingGames
07/22/21 12:17:36 AM
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any there any podcasts or audio in general with both japanese and english translation? i only found that the NHK grammar lesson podcast actually do this so far

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Rimmer_Dall
07/22/21 4:54:31 AM
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SpiritSephiroth posted...
Reminds me that I got to start reading like this, but my Japanese is still low level. Need to persevere.
The thing I did to progress quickly was I read even though I couldn't understand. It's exhausting but it works.

A few tips for this process.

1) Don't look up every unknown word until you reach a stage where you rarely encounter unknown words. Instead only look up words that look familiar (this means you've seen it enough times that you're starting to recognize it on sight) or that it feels like you should already know.

2) Mix reading challenging material without furigana and easier material with furigana. The challenging material will push your limits and force you to learn kanji. The easier material will help you get used to read for fun and for long periods of time while also letting you develop instincts for how to properly read kanji with context sensitive readings (like when to read as and when to read it as ) as well as letting you catch when you've been reading things wrong for a long time or mixing up similar looking kanji. So read without furigana until you get tired, then read with furigana.

3) Don't get stuck. If you don't understand what something means or which reading is the correct one even after looking at a dictionary, just ignore it and move on. You'll understand it in the future, so just keep going for the low-hanging fruit.

4) If you get bored with whatever you're reading, switch to reading something else. Otherwise you might find yourself starting to hate reading.
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SpiritSephiroth
07/22/21 9:26:40 PM
#365:


Rimmer_Dall posted...
SpiritSephiroth posted...
The thing I did to progress quickly was I read even though I couldn't understand. It's exhausting but it works.

A few tips for this process.

1) Don't look up every unknown word until you reach a stage where you rarely encounter unknown words. Instead only look up words that look familiar (this means you've seen it enough times that you're starting to recognize it on sight) or that it feels like you should already know.

2) Mix reading challenging material without furigana and easier material with furigana. The challenging material will push your limits and force you to learn kanji. The easier material will help you get used to reading for fun and for long periods of time while also letting you develop instincts for how to properly read kanji with context sensitive readings (like when to read as and when to read it as ) as well as letting you catch when you've been reading things wrong for a long time or mixing up similar looking kanji. So read without furigana until you get tired, then read with furigana until you run out of free time.

3) Don't get stuck. If you don't understand what something means or which reading is the correct one even after looking at a dictionary, just ignore it and move on. You'll understand it in the future, so just keep going for the low-hanging fruit.

4) If you get bored with whatever you're reading, switch to reading something else. Otherwise you might find yourself starting to hate reading.

I'll give this a try! Was just finish up part of my homework so I'll read some now.

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SpiritSephiroth
07/23/21 10:11:06 PM
#366:


Class in the morning. Totally smashed all the homework. Was actually a lot this week.

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SpiritSephiroth
07/24/21 10:25:24 PM
#367:


Hopefully we'll be finished with Keigo. I'd rather move on from it now and go back to it once I learn standard Japanese more.

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SpiritSephiroth
07/25/21 11:53:12 PM
#368:


My girlfriend helped me with some Japanese today. She was on my back for not studying enough and I agree, need to push myself.

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SpiritSephiroth
07/26/21 9:18:00 AM
#369:


Watched a Japanese movie called Blue, Painful, Fragile (Or Blue, Painful, Brittle ) and holy shit it had some of the most intense scenes and acting I've seen in a long time. The way it was shot and the actors involved did an amazing job.

At one point, two of the actors were looking at each other for a whole minute not saying a word and I was just frozen with how much tension it was putting out. A good watch overall, so glad I saw it.

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SpiritSephiroth
07/26/21 8:42:25 PM
#370:


Got feedback for homework from my Sensei. Should go through it tomorrow.

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SpiritSephiroth
07/27/21 8:46:50 PM
#371:


Finished my homework, Im feeling like things are getting slightly easier. I'm happy with the improvement so far.

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SpiritSephiroth
07/28/21 8:11:51 PM
#372:


I downloaded an App called Kaizen. You can talk to an AI and practice speech, so far its kinda meh for me. Anyone else tried it?

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Rimmer_Dall
07/29/21 2:33:10 PM
#373:


You find some funny shit down the Touhou rabbit hole.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrjxsiYsscg
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SpiritSephiroth
07/29/21 10:10:19 PM
#374:


Rimmer_Dall posted...
You find some funny shit down the Touhou rabbit hole.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrjxsiYsscg

EDIT:

Man, this guy is great.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnTX1KA6jDA

I think I've seen this channel before. He does a lot of music in public places.

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SpiritSephiroth
07/30/21 9:27:01 PM
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SpiritSephiroth
07/31/21 10:14:41 PM
#376:


Looks like we have to make short Haikus for homework this week!

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Itachi157
08/01/21 1:40:22 AM
#377:


I would just plagiarize one of the ones I "composed" in Ghost of Tsushima.

For my own Japanese activity the VN I'm reading right now is pretty boring. Almost dropped it to pick up another one but I do that too much, so am powering through it.
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SpiritSephiroth
08/01/21 8:40:49 PM
#378:


Itachi157 posted...
I would just plagiarize one of the ones I "composed" in Ghost of Tsushima.

For my own Japanese activity the VN I'm reading right now is pretty boring. Almost dropped it to pick up another one but I do that too much, so am powering through it.

You can make them in Ghost of Tsushima? Always been wanting to play that. Good thing I put it off since the PS5 version is coming out.

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SpiritSephiroth
08/02/21 10:53:43 PM
#379:


Didn't do much today! I did watch a few Japanese videos. I'll put more effort in tomorrow.

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SpiritSephiroth
08/03/21 10:33:37 PM
#380:


Homework half finished. I actually lost some of my files recently so I gotta redownload and reprint.

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SpiritSephiroth
08/04/21 10:31:53 PM
#381:


Tried to read through a manga I had but didn't understand more than half of it. Gonna find a different book thats slightly easier.

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Itachi157
08/04/21 11:47:59 PM
#382:


Yotsuba was great for me when I was just starting out. Very entertaining too. I think the next one I read after that was Ika Musume. Then I read all of what was currently published at the time of Nisekoi and To-Love-Ru/Darkness.
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SpiritSephiroth
08/05/21 5:51:47 PM
#383:


Itachi157 posted...
Yotsuba was great for me when I was just starting out. Very entertaining too. I think the next one I read after that was Ika Musume. Then I read all of what was currently published at the time of Nisekoi and To-Love-Ru/Darkness.

What was the first novel you read when you were learning. I want to know the level I should be aiming for around about.

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Rimmer_Dall
08/06/21 3:49:21 PM
#384:


Three years. Three years and I still keep mixing up and .
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SpiritSephiroth
08/06/21 9:36:32 PM
#385:


I just realized I have a few GBA games I bought that are entirely in Japanese. Must have got it from a previous Comic Con.

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SpiritSephiroth
08/07/21 8:10:51 PM
#386:


Going to go out with friends tomorrow to study. Go over old material and maybe some new.

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MordecaiRocks
08/08/21 5:22:29 AM
#387:


Learning Japanese has made me realize Mario isnt such a nice guy
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Rimmer_Dall
08/08/21 1:17:59 PM
#388:


MordecaiRocks posted...
Learning Japanese has made me realize Mario isnt such a nice guy

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SpiritSephiroth
08/08/21 9:14:04 PM
#389:


Geez, what is up with Japan and their obssession with sad/tragic movies? Half these movies break my heart and I hate that feeling.

I did watch a movie just now called 12 suicidal teens, and the ending for that one was actually a lot better.

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SpiritSephiroth
08/09/21 9:08:54 PM
#390:


MordecaiRocks posted...
Learning Japanese has made me realize Mario isnt such a nice guy

I just got the joke lol. Damn I'm slow.

Im wondering what a Japanese person wouldn think if they saw that.

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Itachi157
08/09/21 11:12:36 PM
#391:


SpiritSephiroth posted...
What was the first novel you read when you were learning. I want to know the level I should be aiming for around about.

The first native material I ever tried reading were the manga I listed in my previous post, pretty much in that order. After that, I moved on to visual novels. I haven't actually read a straight novel in Japanese, only VNs (which are pretty much novels with music and artwork I guess).

The first VN I ever read was called Fureraba, I think it's since been translated to English, but wasn't back when I read it in JP. It was definitely a jump up in difficulty from the manga I had read up to that point (most VNs are due to having narration etc) but I was able to get through it without all that much difficulty.

If you need VN recommendations I can definitely suggest some, unfortunately won't be much help for traditional novels, though I do plan on reading some someday. The "pick which girl you would like to date" type of VNs (Fureraba is very much one of those) can get kinda boring but they are easy to start out with.
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SpiritSephiroth
08/10/21 10:10:10 PM
#392:


Itachi157 posted...
The first native material I ever tried reading were the manga I listed in my previous post, pretty much in that order. After that, I moved on to visual novels. I haven't actually read a straight novel in Japanese, only VNs (which are pretty much novels with music and artwork I guess).

The first VN I ever read was called Fureraba, I think it's since been translated to English, but wasn't back when I read it in JP. It was definitely a jump up in difficulty from the manga I had read up to that point (most VNs are due to having narration etc) but I was able to get through it without all that much difficulty.

If you need VN recommendations I can definitely suggest some, unfortunately won't be much help for traditional novels, though I do plan on reading some someday. The "pick which girl you would like to date" type of VNs (Fureraba is very much one of those) can get kinda boring but they are easy to start out with.

Could you tell me some? I don't mind the genre as long as I can learn from it. Thanks so much.

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SpiritSephiroth
08/11/21 8:00:35 PM
#393:


Will study tomorrow, didn't get any time to do anything today.

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Rimmer_Dall
08/12/21 8:57:53 PM
#394:


Say "chestnut and squirrel" out loud.


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SpiritSephiroth
08/13/21 2:51:17 PM
#395:


Rimmer_Dall posted...
Say "chestnut and squirrel" out loud.


I did but I still don't understand lol

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Rimmer_Dall
08/13/21 9:29:47 PM
#396:


SpiritSephiroth posted...
I did but I still don't understand lol
Try saying it three times fast.
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SpiritSephiroth
08/14/21 8:09:37 PM
#397:


Rimmer_Dall posted...
Try saying it three times fast.

Im stupid, still don't get it >_>

Anyway I've finally finished Minna no Nihongo 2 book. Our class will be moving onto a brand new book for the new term.

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Rimmer_Dall
08/14/21 11:20:00 PM
#398:


SpiritSephiroth posted...
Im stupid, still don't get it >_>

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SpiritSephiroth
08/15/21 9:23:51 PM
#399:


Rimmer_Dall posted...

Oh crap now I see it hahaha

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SpiritSephiroth
08/16/21 10:25:05 PM
#400:


Doing some homework, a lot of this is revision but I want to advance to the next book soon.

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SpiritSephiroth
08/17/21 8:40:37 PM
#401:


Found a useful video that covers all kanji from n4 to n3. Going to go through that tomorrow.

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