Poll of the Day > Election fraud

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Studies have shown that there isn't enough election fraud to steal an 8th grade student council president election yet people like Trump seems to believe it's a big deal especially when they lose elections.

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I dont think there is enough election fraud to matter but where is the specific study showing election fraud in terms of an 8th grade student council

Yeah, only when they lose.

Words can't even describe how fucking sick I am of hearing about the election fraud that didn't happen. Every time I argue with one of these idiots who pretends to believe it actually happened I stump them by asking where those 7 million fraudulent votes are. All they can do is fall back to the old "fake news liberal media dominion hoax" conspiracy bullshit.


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Dumb_Man posted...

I dont think there is enough election fraud to matter but where is the specific study showing election fraud in terms of an 8th grade student council

Neither do I but I suspect the only reason people assume that it is is based on race because keep in mind up until the passage of the Voting Rights Act, African-Americans could not vote but when that ceased to exist and people running for office who displayed racist ideals knew that those people wouldn't vote for them so they had to resort to shenanigans to win elections and that's why when those kind of people lose an important election, they start yelping about voter fraud.

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BUMPED2002 posted...

Studies have shown that there isn't enough election fraud to steal an 8th grade student council president election

I actually knew of multiple school elections that were blatantly fixed when I was in school.
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I think people also need to make a clear difference in what they define as fraud.

proponents of measures to claim that election fraud is a bigger issue than it is include statistics that is not actual wrongdoing fraud but casting a vote from an improper address (usually old home they didnt change the address with the board of elections), as opposed to someone trying to vote twice or cast a vote on behalf of someone else which is outright fraud with a clear intention for wrongdoing.

the overwhelming majority of the small number of cases they do find are the former change of address slip ups which a person votes ONCE but at the wrong location.

the desire for voter ID cards are really just an attempt to suppress the vote. Its a partisan political issue that is used for advantages in elections since the demographic typically affected that will have a lower turn out is minorities as its one more hoop to jump through to vote. That typical demographic votes more democrat than Republican historically although that is an oversimplification as there are demographic groups that are exceptions to that and locations etc.

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No. Anyone who claims otherwise is dishonest.

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kind9 posted...

Yeah, only when they lose.

This. People care when they lose. If he had won, he would be saying there wasnt any fraud. Thats how it is. When people win, they say no fraud, or not enough fraud that it matters. When you lose, its the most important thing in the world. Thats how people will feel, regardless of if there was or wasnt fraud...
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No, because they haven't proven it to be.

Election fraud is a huge deal when it actually happens


The poll isn't clear to if it's referring to fraud in general or the claims the 2020 erection was fraudulent







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I dont know if there was widespread fraud or not, and I refuse to actually find out, but as long as there is any uncertainty then Biden is not the real president. -almost half of this fucking country apparently

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Not nearly as much.

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The fraud is a traitor party lie they made up to justify their treason.

Having actually worked for the elections back in 2012, I can objectively say in my district and county it is a resounding yes. We went to mail-in ballots afterward and it's been landslide after landslide for the left ever since. They're real tricky about it too, the lady who runs elections in this state is a card-holding Republican. The only Republican mind you, that holds any significant role in our entire state.

I don't know if it actually makes a difference in the grand scheme or not, but seeing how elections work on the inside destroyed my faith in our system way back then. None of this is new to me, it's par for the course.

DDirtyDastard posted...

Having actually worked for the elections back in 2012, I can objectively say in my district and county it is a resounding yes. We went to mail-in ballots afterward and it's been landslide after landslide for the left ever since. They're real tricky about it too, the lady who runs elections in this state is a card-holding Republican. The only Republican mind you, that holds any significant role in our entire state.

I don't know if it actually makes a difference in the grand scheme or not, but seeing how elections work on the inside destroyed my faith in our system way back then. None of this is new to me, it's par for the course.

#1 There hasn't been a landslide victory since Reagan.

You don't list a single thing you've seen that causes you to question our election process you just say you don't like it because the people you like didn't do as well as you wanted them to. Mail in vote has typically favored republicans, or that was the impression I always had growing up living in florida where so many snow birds who were typically old as fuck voted by mail.

Your post is literally just crying "I feel like people should agree with me but they don't so it must be because someone is cheating!" Nah dude the traitor party has just become completely radicalized since 2008, and we still saw a president as uniquely awful as Trump become the second most voted for candidate in history in just a mind boggling turn of events. I don't say he cheated because it's absolutely unbelievable to me that 12 million more people saw his performance and go "yea I wanna vote for him". I just accept that not everyone thinks the way I do.

If anything, Trump cheated and feels like there is no way he lost unless the Dems also cheated

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@BlackScythe0 dont worry, hell just reply with non-sequiturs and zero evidence

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Let's make a distinction between Election Fraud and Election Interference

Election Fraud is actually casting a vote using someone elses identity that is not your own.

Election Interference is like "post in this topic to vote for Mr. X" deceiving the public that they actually voted.

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Dmess85 posted...

Let's make a distinction between Election Fraud and Election Interference

Election Fraud is actually casting a vote using someone elses identity that is not your own.

Election Interference is like "post in this topic to vote for Mr. X" deceiving the public that they actually voted.

For what it's worth I don't really think there is a serious confusion about the distinction. My memory only recalls talks of 2016 being interference because no one was asserting any votes had been changed or fraudulently casted. Except Trump of course.

Now we have some of the traitor party trying to argue democrats had alleged fraud just like Trump did but that is just overtly false. I don't believe "confusion" over the distinction to be genuine it's just a poor attempt at "both sides" that traitors like to do as the only thing they can come up with to defend their abhorrent positions and platform.

BlackScythe0 posted...

I don't really think there is a serious confusion about the distinction

anytime you bring up the fact that trumps election fraud claims are completely false, right wingers bring up durr what about the left claiming russia got trump in office

they absolutely do not understand the difference

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DDirtyDastard posted...

I don't know if it actually makes a difference in the grand scheme or not

well maybe you should try to find out instead of just making up your own reality

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when bush won "there is fraud!! we must recount!!!"

when biden won, "there is no fraud, and we don't want people looking into it!!"
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No. Trump has lied constantly and his own judges have said there's no good evidence.

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A lot of informed people, like judges, seem to think it's BS. Even ones Trump appointed. That says the whole thing is bogus. Aside from which, it's such a stupid ploy only someone as dumb as Trump or his cronies could think this would work.

Krazy_Kirby posted...

when bush won "there is fraud!! we must recount!!!"

when biden won, "there is no fraud, and we don't want people looking into it!!"

To be fair here my memory isn't super clear on it but as I recall it Gore won and then the recount occurred which gave it to Bush and then fighting back and forth over it before the supreme court stepped in and appointed Bush president.

BlackScythe0 posted...

To be fair here my memory isn't super clear on it but as I recall it Gore won and then the recount occurred which gave it to Bush and then fighting back and forth over it before the supreme court stepped in and appointed Bush president.

Yeah, I am pretty sure Gore was assumed to have won then the recount flipped it in Bush's favor.

Raddest_Chad posted...

A lot of informed people, like judges, seem to think it's BS. Even ones Trump appointed. That says the whole thing is bogus. Aside from which, it's such a stupid ploy only someone as dumb as Trump or his cronies could think this would work.

The only person who tried to argue fraud was Sydney Powell. The others tried to do the "I'm going to argue issues I should have brought before the election but didn't because I was waiting to see the results" which judges threw out for being unreasonable.

Listening to the georgia vote certification was interesting. They didn't argue that any of the votes were fake. They argued that votes by mail shouldn't count because mail in voting was established by the courts instead of by legislatures. They argued that the constitution said only legislatures could make that decision to allow mail in voting.


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The GOP have repeatedly tried to prove it's a thing and failed.

An anti-fraud task force was one of Trump's first actions, that was disbanded quickly because they couldn't prove anything.

No, it's not an issue.

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CarefreeDude posted...

Listening to the georgia vote certification was interesting. They didn't argue that any of the votes were fake. They argued that votes by mail shouldn't count because mail in voting was established by the courts instead of by legislatures. They argued that the constitution said only legislatures could make that decision to allow mail in voting.

Uh... that wasn't interesting. They tried the argument in multiple states to argue that expansions of voting were illegal and all those arguments were uniformly tossed out because they waited until after an election to make them. Tossing out millions of votes is not an appropriate response to the issue they claimed to have.