Poll of the Day > Oregon to become 1st State to DeCriminaize All Drugs...

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/oregon-law-to-decriminalize-all-drugs-goes-into-effect-offering-addicts-rehab-instead-of-prison/ar-BB1dhclS

Only small amounts, and still will get a fine or rehab...

Do you think it's a good idea? (Poll Question)

They should go further and completely legalize them.

I thought this happened forever ago...
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It's a bold and horrifying move, but in the fight against the foreign powers siphoning our economic health and poisoning our people, poisoning our people ourselves to keep our financial health within local economies makes at least more sense than some of the other ways the government has been trying to fight back.

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I support the legalization of all drugs except for the production of meth for safety reasons and heroin solo, again for safety reasons.

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Shadowbird_RH posted...

poisoning our people ourselves

Hyperbolic much?

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On one hand, I like the idea where people are helped with their addictions rather than outright punished for them. On the other, I am not a fan of the all-too-likely scenario of some ass-hat being like, "We should go to Oregon, man, because everything's just legal there," or the jokes related to that.

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kind9 posted...

Hyperbolic much?

Perhaps a bit sensationalist, but no hyperbole. Not even an analogy, it's very much literally what this is doing. We're still cleaning up after the opioid crisis, and now we've opened the gate for literal opium, among anything and everything else that can fuck you up forever and/or kill you. The light stuff I don't so much mind, but this isn't just the light stuff.

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Shadowbird_RH posted...

Perhaps a bit sensationalist, but no hyperbole. Not even an analogy, it's very much literally what this is doing. We're still cleaning up after the opioid crisis, and now we've opened the gate for literal opium, among anything and everything else that can fuck you up forever and/or kill you. The light stuff I don't so much mind, but this isn't just the light stuff.

But this doesn't legalize drugs or make them easier to acquire. People who want to do drugs are going to do them. Now addicts can go to rehab instead of straight to prison. I'm not seeing the downside here.

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Shadowbird_RH posted...

and now we've opened the gate for literal opium, among anything and everything else that can f*** you up forever and/or kill you.

That's not what decriminalizing means. It's still illegal to sell, transport, or otherwise distribute the drugs that were previously illegal. Decriminalizing just means people aren't going to jail for using it, which is unambiguously a good idea because that paradigm has never worked. Punishing addicts for their addiction just makes it worse and makes overdosing more likely.

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idiotic
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Krazy_Kirby posted...

idiotic

Not idiotic.

Boom.

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Mm? If it's just drug use and not drug sales, then I have misunderstood and my previous posts can be disregarded. I agree that those abusing controlled substances should be considered victims who need help rather than criminals that need to be put through the wringer of our justice system.

I believe I heard what I was talking about suggested before, and while it has merits over things like trigger-happy raids on unsuspecting households, IMO the best approach to fighting drug rings is to identify and track perpetrators covertly if possible, so as to allow them to reveal their leaders and suppliers, and go after them, rather than pouncing on anyone and everyone who is even suspected of involvement the moment that suspicion arises.

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Lokarin posted...

I support the legalization of all drugs except for the production of meth for safety reasons and heroin solo, again for safety reasons.

Yeah, kinda easy for something to go wrong and burn down the whole state. At least in California in the summer anyway.

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Good move, but outright-legalization would be better

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Eh, we'll see how it does.

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RIP Oregon

Laws related to drugs should be done on a drug-by-drug basis to prevent issues.
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Better than imprisoning them which only makes everything worse

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Shadowbird_RH posted...

Mm? If it's just drug use and not drug sales, then I have misunderstood and my previous posts can be disregarded. I agree that those abusing controlled substances should be considered victims who need help rather than criminals that need to be put through the wringer of our justice system.

I believe I heard what I was talking about suggested before, and while it has merits over things like trigger-happy raids on unsuspecting households, IMO the best approach to fighting drug rings is to identify and track perpetrators covertly if possible, so as to allow them to reveal their leaders and suppliers, and go after them, rather than pouncing on anyone and everyone who is even suspected of involvement the moment that suspicion arises.

Wow I love a man/woman/person who can backtrack an error made in confusion and just admit they misunderstood

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Honestly they should sell most drugs in stores and include information with them about how people can get treatment and support. Most people that are dependent on drugs get to points where they desperately want to get clean but they dont know what to do and they dont know who they can turn to for help because they dont want to end up in prison.

Im not saying hard drug use or addiction are good things at all, but criminalizing the behavior obviously does not work and only does harm to society.

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Decriminalizing usage is good. I'm against complete legalization, but there's not really much point in tossing people in prison for a problem they largely cannot control.

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This is America. You either believe it's a free country or you don't. Can't play cafeteria freedoms with only the ones you like

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All drugs should be legal, the federal government had no right to make them illegal

This is a great day for liberty, the government should have no control of what you put in your own body

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Lokarin posted...

except for the production of meth for safety reasons

To be fair, if it were legal and they could purchase proper supplies, the production would likely be much safer.


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Muscles posted...

All drugs should be legal, the federal government had no right to make them illegal

This is a great day for liberty, the government should have no control of what you put in your own body

That's dangerous to have all drugs legal, trust me you don't want meth, heroin, or crack legal. Most people only want hallucinogens legal.
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Shadowbird_RH posted...

foreign powers siphoning our economic health and poisoning our people

15 dollars minimum wage is a plague on the entire planet. Artificially raising American dollar value makes all other countries want our money someway somehow.

Mead posted...

Honestly they should sell most drugs in stores and include information with them about how people can get treatment and support. Most people that are dependent on drugs get to points where they desperately want to get clean but they dont know what to do and they dont know who they can turn to for help because they dont want to end up in prison.

I don't know about that. Legalization is a reasonable goal, ultimately, but leaving people to assess and handle those risks entirely on their own hasn't worked so far, and it likely wouldn't work even once we take unscrupulous dealers (that lace less-harmful drugs with more addictive ones or mess with people's doses to drive further addiction for fun and profit) out of the mix. People are just inherently very bad at risk analysis and have a strong bias toward assuming they'll beat the odds (see: much of the world's response to Covid).

Instead, I think having all drugs (more or less, I'm sure reasonable exceptions exist) available in bar-like environments would be ideal, where people can purchase the drugs they want and use them in a controlled, supervised environment where their dosage has been personally calibrated to minimize the risk of addiction or overdose (and staff are trained to respond to overdoses). That's not a perfect solution, if for no other reason than the fact that the staffing and overhead requirements for such establishments would drive costs way up and make the drugs largely unattainable for poorer users (meaning there would still be demand for a cheaper black market), but it's a safer idea than a complete free-for-all.

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Hop103 posted...

That's dangerous to have all drugs legal, trust me you don't want meth, heroin, or crack legal. Most people only want hallucinogens legal.

It's more dangerous to have it illegal. People are gonna do these drugs either way. Might as well have legitimate stores selling them where you don't have to worry about getting mugged or getting drugs laced with other shit.

Hop103 posted...

That's dangerous to have all drugs legal, trust me you don't want meth, heroin, or crack legal. Most people only want hallucinogens legal.

There are lots of dangerous things that are legal, does it fundamentally infringe on anyone else's rights? No, then it should be legal

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adjl posted...

I don't know about that. Legalization is a reasonable goal, ultimately, but leaving people to assess and handle those risks entirely on their own hasn't worked so far, and it likely wouldn't work even once we take unscrupulous dealers (that lace less-harmful drugs with more addictive ones or mess with people's doses to drive further addiction for fun and profit) out of the mix. People are just inherently very bad at risk analysis and have a strong bias toward assuming they'll beat the odds (see: much of the world's response to Covid).

Instead, I think having all drugs (more or less, I'm sure reasonable exceptions exist) available in bar-like environments would be ideal, where people can purchase the drugs they want and use them in a controlled, supervised environment where their dosage has been personally calibrated to minimize the risk of addiction or overdose (and staff are trained to respond to overdoses). That's not a perfect solution, if for no other reason than the fact that the staffing and overhead requirements for such establishments would drive costs way up and make the drugs largely unattainable for poorer users (meaning there would still be demand for a cheaper black market), but it's a safer idea than a complete free-for-all.

yeah you make some good points

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pionear posted...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/oregon-law-to-decriminalize-all-drugs-goes-into-effect-offering-addicts-rehab-instead-of-prison/ar-BB1dhclS

Only small amounts, and still will get a fine or rehab...

Do you think it's a good idea? (Poll Question)

If they're rehabbing them, maybe. However there are countless drugs you're not going to just issue fines for. Probably how it should have always been done, except for habitual offenders.


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Decoy77 posted...

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Mead posted...

why do you even care about that guy

Hunter Biden is the new Benghazi

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AC_Dragonfire posted...

Joe Biden vampire alert.

lol what does this mean

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