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TRC
01/30/21 1:20:13 PM
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https://www.fox6now.com/news/officials-id-3-found-dead

This has been affecting me more than I thought it would and I just felt the need to talk about, and I am not willing to do that on Facebook where it can stir up emotions of people I know in real life, etc...

Now, me and Matt had not hung out a whole ton lately as we are now 70 miles from each other and I don't have a care or my own place right now, but all the way from when we were teenagers he was around and we would be partying all night long, he would a be living with us basically. As recently as 3 years ago I was having him and his girlfriend spend the night 3 or 4 days in a row when they would be up in the northwoods.

Anyways, I feel very conflicted, like obviously I know that what he did was wrong, very wrong. However I also know that he had some good in him as well. He suffered from mental illness and abuse as a child, the kinds of which that are alleged I will not discuss further here.

Thursday morning at around 12:30am/1am he called me a few times and sent me some very long tl;dr facebook messages, after the first one when he indicated he might have gotten in some trouble I basically shut him down and told him I didn't even want to know. I'm on probation right now and it is done in 28 days and I do not need to inject myself into anyone elses drama ya know? Obviously I had no idea what he was actually up to but I feel so disgusted with myself but at the same time grateful that I didn't get involved ya know?

I don't know guys, this whole situation is just so horrible. :(
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Human_Username
01/30/21 1:21:36 PM
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Jesus christ, dude... Do you plan to seek any therapy on the matter?

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Zikten
01/30/21 1:26:50 PM
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Yea it's understandable you have mixed feelings. Don't beat yourself up about it. And you couldn't have known what he was going to do.
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Jabodie
01/30/21 1:27:21 PM
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Conflict posted...
You're not wrong in feeling conflicted even despite what he did. You're just in absolute shock and it's gonna take a while for it to really process
Yeah, and what you did was perfectly reasonable imo. This shit is extremely rough.

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TRC
01/30/21 1:31:34 PM
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Human_Username posted...
Jesus christ, dude... Do you plan to seek any therapy on the matter?

Nah I don't plan on seeking therapy, for one thing I couldn't afford it (lol) and secondly I don't think I will need it. I was a drug addict for many years and have experienced many personal tragedies in that time. I have already outlived over half a dozen of my closests friends and I'm 34. I know that I will get better with this in time, I'm doing ok right now honestly I just could be a tiny bit better lol
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CE_gonna_CE
01/30/21 1:33:20 PM
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Jeez man. Crazy and gut wrenching for sure, but I agree that you handled things in the best and most reasonable way based on your own personal situation.

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Kitt
01/30/21 1:36:34 PM
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Holy crap, that's awful. Whatever you do, just don't beat yourself up over it too much. You were doing the right thing and keeping your best interest in mind. No one could have predicted something like that.

You're a shit friend
And you're a shit poster. It all comes back full circle.

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teepan95
01/30/21 1:39:06 PM
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I'm sorry, TC

Just keep holding on. You did the best you could
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kingdrake2
01/30/21 1:39:38 PM
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Kitt posted...
It all comes back full circle.


the circle of the internet.
condolences for the loss TC. it's FUBAR now.
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El Mexicano Texano
01/30/21 1:41:59 PM
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Kitt posted...
Holy crap, that's awful. Whatever you do, just don't beat yourself up over it too much. You were doing the right thing and keeping your best interest in mind. No one could have predicted something like that.

And you're a shit poster. It all comes back full circle.

The truth hurts, I rather be a shit poster than a shit friend. Remind your friends if they ever have problems not to bother you.


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CouldBeAnAlt
01/30/21 1:44:43 PM
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El Mexicano Texano posted...
The truth hurts, I rather be a shit poster than a shit friend. Remind your friends if they ever have problems not to bother you.
Shut the fuck up
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TRC
01/30/21 1:45:18 PM
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El Mexicano Texano posted...
The truth hurts, I rather be a shit poster than a shit friend. Remind your friends if they ever have problems not to bother you.

Unfortunately I knew that due to Matts mental illness there was a very slim chance that he did do something fucked up (I assumed that if he did maybe he got into a fight with his dad and beat him up or something) but I never in my wildest dreams imagined this. I also knew that he might have done something pretty illegal that wasn't necessarily violent or something, and again I have been trying to turn a new leaf so I wouldn't have wanted to get involved in that either. (when me and Matt were teenagers we often engaged in dumbass teen hijinxs like stealing cars and going on car rides, burglarly, etc...) Not glorifying any of this as I regret it all very much so now, but you can't change the past and I was a young dumb addict that had yet to learn the value of a dollar and how the real world works in general.
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Kitt
01/30/21 1:45:28 PM
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El Mexicano Texano posted...
The truth hurts
Spoken like an edgy 15 year old. Why am I surprised.

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TRC
01/30/21 1:45:42 PM
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Crono99 posted...
Fuck anyone who blames tc for this. The person responsible is the one who committed the act, not the ten thousand people who theoretically could or could not have done anything to stop it.

Thanks dude
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AzurexNightmare
01/30/21 1:45:53 PM
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I think it's disgusting how people ask "you gonna see a therapist?" like shit doesn't cost money during a pandemic.

It's not free. Why do you think people post online? Holy cow.

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Joeydollaz
01/30/21 1:47:49 PM
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This was some debt to bad guys issue?

why would he take this route?

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El Mexicano Texano
01/30/21 1:50:13 PM
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Crono99 posted...
Fuck anyone who blames tc for this. The person responsible is the one who committed the act, not the ten thousand people who theoretically could or could not have done anything to stop it.

No one is blaming him I'm just saying he could have done more for him.

TRC posted...
Unfortunately I knew that due to Matts mental illness there was a very slim chance that he did do something fucked up (I assumed that if he did maybe he got into a fight with his dad and beat him up or something) but I never in my wildest dreams imagined this. I also knew that he might have done something pretty illegal that wasn't necessarily violent or something, and again I have been trying to turn a new leaf so I wouldn't have wanted to get involved in that either. (when me and Matt were teenagers we often engaged in dumbass teen hijinxs like stealing cars and going on car rides, burglarly, etc...) Not glorifying any of this as I regret it all very much so now, but you can't change the past and I was a young dumb addict that had yet to learn the value of a dollar and how the real world works in general.

Thank you for responding to me maturely, I'm not trying to be a dick about it but that's exactly how I feel. I just feel like you should have listened to him more. I've done my share of things as well and I have friends calling me on midnight as well usually over stupid shit even though I'm married with kids I still try to help them as much as I can.

I might have dealt with my demons but those who were their with me never left me and I can't do the same to them.


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TRC
01/30/21 1:51:24 PM
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Joeydollaz posted...
This was some debt to bad guys issue?

why would he take this route?

My current understanding as to what happened is that him and his father got in a fight, possibly in regards to Matts ongoing drug problems, his dad ended up going in the garage to have a cigarette and then Matt came in there and shot him. When his mom came over to investigate the noise/racket he shot here too. Then apparently he called me and probably a few others, concealed the bodies in the garage. Then come Friday morning his sister called for a welfare check cuz their mom had missed two days of work (thursday morning and then friday) and when the comes came there and opened the door Matt shot himself in the basement.
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tremain07
01/30/21 1:51:53 PM
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TRC posted...
I'm on probation right now and it is done in 28 days and I do not need to inject myself into anyone elses drama ya know?
Interest ended here. I don't even want to know what kinda criminal you are

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CouldBeAnAlt
01/30/21 1:52:00 PM
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El Mexicano Texano posted...
Thank you for responding to me maturely
You didn't deserve it
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El Mexicano Texano
01/30/21 1:52:57 PM
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Conflict posted...
I understand El Mexicano's stance if only because it can be pretty disgusting when someone's reaching out to a bunch of people and they all ghost them, and they end up killing themselves the next day

However at the same time, you aren't obligated to talk to anyone you don't feel like talking to

It's not a black-and-white thing. I wouldn't call TC a "shit friend" though

Maybe shit friend is a bit extreme but the word bad friend seems to nice in this case. It just bothers me he would ghost him that's all. Granted I don't know he situation they were in or how they have been involved in the past but that's not something I would do.


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Human_Username
01/30/21 1:54:18 PM
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TRC posted...
Nah I don't plan on seeking therapy, for one thing I couldn't afford it (lol) and secondly I don't think I will need it. I was a drug addict for many years and have experienced many personal tragedies in that time. I have already outlived over half a dozen of my closests friends and I'm 34. I know that I will get better with this in time, I'm doing ok right now honestly I just could be a tiny bit better lol
Well, I hope you do okay and I'm sorry for your loss regardless of the situation, sorry I can't offer anything of more substantial.

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Kitt
01/30/21 1:57:42 PM
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CouldBeAnAlt posted...
You didn't deserve it
For real. First thing dude did was call the grieving TC a "Shit Friend". The least mature thing in the entire topic.

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El Mexicano Texano
01/30/21 2:01:19 PM
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CouldBeAnAlt posted...
You didn't deserve it

Are you the guy with the new accounts who always harrasses me? Do me a favor and find dogfathers and Ceman passed away topic and post on it once in awhile do something good with your time please, not even TC seems bothered by my post. I'm expressing how I feel towards the situation and some users understand my point of view. The mature response was also directed towards those bothered by my post that are attacking me. This topic is for TC stop using it to attack me and stick with the topic as well, this is the last of attention you receive in this topic from me. I'm not trying to take away from TC's topic.

If I offended TC and if my posts bothered you, I apologise but that's just my feelings on this situation.


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TRC
01/30/21 2:01:53 PM
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El Mexicano Texano posted...
No one is blaming him I'm just saying he could have done more for him.

Thank you for responding to me maturely, I'm not trying to be a dick about it but that's exactly how I feel. I just feel like you should have listened to him more. I've done my share of things as well and I have friends calling me on midnight as well usually over stupid shit even though I'm married with kids I still try to help them as much as I can.

I might have dealt with my demons but those who were their with me never left me and I can't do the same to them.

I have no problems responding to peoples questions and comments without acting all wild and upset about it. That is one thing that people in general that needs to improve imo

It is important to talk to others with respect, even if you disagree with them.
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PrettyBoyFloyd
01/30/21 2:02:04 PM
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Well damn.

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The Trent
01/30/21 2:02:43 PM
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good luck working through this shit man
heavy

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El Mexicano Texano
01/30/21 2:03:20 PM
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Kitt posted...
For real. First thing dude did was call the grieving TC a "Shit Friend". The least mature thing in the entire topic.

I hope you read my whole posts and not just stop at that comment, I gave reasons as to why I said that and some users understand my feelings towards the situation.


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fan357
01/30/21 2:06:41 PM
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Theres nothing you could have done.

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YookaLaylee
01/30/21 2:09:14 PM
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El Mexicano Texano posted...


The truth hurts, I rather be a shit poster than a shit friend. Remind your friends if they ever have problems not to bother you.


Youre coming across like an asshole right now
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The Trent
01/30/21 2:11:36 PM
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El Mexicano Texano posted...
I hope you read my whole posts and not just stop at that comment, I gave reasons as to why I said that and some users understand my feelings towards the situation.

time and place
right now is the time for you to shut the fuck up
place is wherever, i'm smoking a brisket and some ribs if you want to come over and get high

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El Mexicano Texano
01/30/21 2:17:19 PM
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The Trent posted...
time and place
right now is the time for you to shut the fuck up
place is wherever, i'm smoking a brisket and some ribs if you want to come over and get high

I don't do drugs, I'm going to spend time with my wife and kids, I finshed work early today and I'm getting ready to go out to the park, thanks for the invitation, another day maybe.


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TRC
01/30/21 2:41:28 PM
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@El_Mexicano_Texano I did want to note in case it was missed that I am very happy I did not answer the phone as there is a good chance he might have had me come over or something and the odds are he had already killed both of his parents when he was calling and messaging me.
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kingdrake2
01/30/21 2:45:24 PM
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denying a BBQ invitation is an asshole move :(.
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El Mexicano Texano
01/30/21 4:10:25 PM
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TRC posted...
@El_Mexicano_Texano I did want to note in case it was missed that I am very happy I did not answer the phone as there is a good chance he might have had me come over or something and the odds are he had already killed both of his parents when he was calling and messaging me.

I'm aware of that as well but it was just talking not seeing him in person, I'm curious as to why you think the overall response from facebook would be negative though and who would be the ones responding in that manner.


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RedJackson
01/30/21 4:20:20 PM
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Hope you feel better, my boy had a lot of drug problems and left this world but I didnt wanna know much about it myself.. just didnt have it in me to deal with it at the time and felt guilty after

It just is what it is, you didnt decide those circumstances - obviously someone made their own choice after living with the remorse they felt over what they had done. You should consult a therapist if you cant shake those feelings, but I think what youre feeling is normal to say the least and shows you DO care.

You cannot guess the future or peoples actions even with a a bunch.. theres no telling of if and when or what.

Stay easy man

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TheGreatEscape
01/30/21 4:30:34 PM
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holy shit trc, that's awful. I don't think i could understand going through something like that. hope you'll get through this

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ShyOx
01/30/21 4:34:20 PM
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I don't think you possibly could have acted any different towards the situation seeing as you're on probation. I guess a lot depends on what he said he did or what he was asking.

What happened after the incident is in no way, whatsoever your fault or within your control. This is terrible man but you're going to be okay

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Chicken
01/30/21 4:38:01 PM
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It was the right choice to stay away. At that point he was already capable of murder. If you got involved you could have ended up as an accessory or even worse, he could have killed you too. The only person youre responsible for is yourself.

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pojr
01/30/21 5:14:23 PM
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TRC posted...
I basically shut him down and told him I didn't even want to know
tbh this was a good call. who knows what the hell he was gonna tell you. he could have potentially incriminated you or something.

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AzurexNightmare
01/30/21 5:56:17 PM
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Conflict posted...
There's nothing disgusting about that question whatsoever and you're overreacting
Try actually helping instead of trying to pass the problems onto someone else where people have to pay money. Or don't help at all.

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TRC
01/30/21 7:28:56 PM
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El Mexicano Texano posted...
I'm aware of that as well but it was just talking not seeing him in person, I'm curious as to why you think the overall response from facebook would be negative though and who would be the ones responding in that manner.

I avoided Facebook mainly because I didn't want to stress out his family even more. As for Facebook posts in general, right now unless I post something to the extent that Matt is evil and is burning im hell, people will just complain about how I'm "glorifying" a murderer.

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