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IShall_Run_Amok 01/27/21 1:58:49 PM #51:	Balrog0 posted... What's silly about it? They don't need help, so its silly. --- reject humanity, return to wolef <cite>IShall_Run_Amok posted [p:949982509] in Shouldn't ... [t:79263002]...</cite> <quote>Balrog0 posted... </cite> <quote>What's silly about it?</quote>They don't need help, so its silly. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 01/27/21 2:03:03 PM #52:	IShall_Run_Amok posted... They don't need help, so its silly. plenty of them need help, and plenty of people with debt don't --- Trying to dunk since July 2020 <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:949982667] in Shouldn't ... [t:79263002]...</cite> <quote>IShall_Run_Amok posted... </cite> <quote>They don't need help, so its silly.</quote> plenty of them need help, and plenty of people with debt don't </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 01/27/21 2:08:14 PM #53:	Balrog0 posted... It does, but it's not a fair rephrasing. Many people who have student loan debt don't need help, either. This logic leads to means testing forgiveness, which is fine but different than what people seem to want Doesn't have to lead to means testing. Not only because means testing is expensive, but also because it's perfectly possible to just conclude that predatory lending is immoral and should be abolished. How exactly that abolition should happen, and who gets compensated for damages, isn't relevant to that insight. --- Stop being so aggressively argumentative for no reason. - UnfairRepresent <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:949982878] in Shouldn't ... [t:79263002]...</cite> <quote>Balrog0 posted... </cite> <quote>It does, but it's not a fair rephrasing. Many people who have student loan debt don't need help, either. This logic leads to means testing forgiveness, which is fine but different than what people seem to want</quote>Doesn't have to lead to means testing. Not only because means testing is expensive, but also because it's perfectly possible to just conclude that predatory lending is immoral and should be abolished. How exactly that abolition should happen, and who gets compensated for damages, isn't relevant to that insight. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Human_Username 01/27/21 2:11:29 PM #54:	Balrog0 posted... Full disclosure, I never intend to pay off my loans. I'm banking entirely on the public service loan forgiveness program. Failing that, I have no real plan. So this isn't about me. This seems to be the case for those that want loan forgiveness. Otherwise, you get to be out of your financial obligations (that YOU agreed to), you don't get or deserve anything more than that just because you fulfilled your commitment. --- Typical human signature, nothing to see here <cite>Human_Username posted [p:949982995] in Shouldn't ... [t:79263002]...</cite> <quote>Balrog0 posted... </cite> <quote>Full disclosure, I never intend to pay off my loans. I'm banking entirely on the public service loan forgiveness program. Failing that, I have no real plan. So this isn't about me.</quote>This seems to be the case for those that want loan forgiveness. Otherwise, you get to be out of your financial obligations (that YOU agreed to), you don't get or deserve anything more than that just because you fulfilled your commitment. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 01/27/21 2:13:14 PM #55:	scar the 1 posted... Doesn't have to lead to means testing. Not only because means testing is expensive, but also because it's perfectly possible to just conclude that predatory lending is immoral and should be abolished. How exactly that abolition should happen, and who gets compensated for damages, isn't relevant to that insight. Yeah but plenty of student loan lending isn't predatory... --- Trying to dunk since July 2020 <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:949983065] in Shouldn't ... [t:79263002]...</cite> <quote>scar the 1 posted... </cite> <quote>Doesn't have to lead to means testing. Not only because means testing is expensive, but also because it's perfectly possible to just conclude that predatory lending is immoral and should be abolished. How exactly that abolition should happen, and who gets compensated for damages, isn't relevant to that insight.</quote> Yeah but plenty of student loan lending isn't predatory... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 01/27/21 3:29:12 PM #56:	Balrog0 posted... Yeah but plenty of student loan lending isn't predatory... And opinions on which loans are immoral and which aren't vary :) Personally I would be inclined to think that any loan you're forced to take to be able to go to school or get healthcare could be seen as immoral --- Stop being so aggressively argumentative for no reason. - UnfairRepresent <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:949985726] in Shouldn't ... [t:79263002]...</cite> <quote>Balrog0 posted... </cite> <quote>Yeah but plenty of student loan lending isn't predatory...</quote>And opinions on which loans are immoral and which aren't vary :) Personally I would be inclined to think that any loan you're forced to take to be able to go to school or get healthcare could be seen as immoral </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 01/27/21 6:31:32 PM #57:	scar the 1 posted... And opinions on which loans are immoral and which aren't vary :) Personally I would be inclined to think that any loan you're forced to take to be able to go to school or get healthcare could be seen as immoral Okay, well shouldn't you want to remunerate people who you think are victims? Does the fact they made it out okay erase the predatory nature of the loan? And if so, wouldn't loans held by others who would be fine without debt relief also not be predatory by the same logic? --- Trying to dunk since July 2020 <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:949991977] in Shouldn't ... [t:79263002]...</cite> <quote>scar the 1 posted... </cite> <quote>And opinions on which loans are immoral and which aren't vary :) Personally I would be inclined to think that any loan you're forced to take to be able to go to school or get healthcare could be seen as immoral</quote> Okay, well shouldn't you want to remunerate people who you think are victims? Does the fact they made it out okay erase the predatory nature of the loan? And if so, wouldn't loans held by others who would be fine without debt relief also not be predatory by the same logic? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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scar the 1 01/28/21 1:42:50 AM #59:	Balrog0 posted... Okay, well shouldn't you want to remunerate people who you think are victims? Does the fact they made it out okay erase the predatory nature of the loan? And if so, wouldn't loans held by others who would be fine without debt relief also not be predatory by the same logic? Yeah that sounds like a nice idea. And yes, other loans might also be considered immoral. --- Stop being so aggressively argumentative for no reason. - UnfairRepresent <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:950004650] in Shouldn't ... [t:79263002]...</cite> <quote>Balrog0 posted... </cite> <quote> Okay, well shouldn't you want to remunerate people who you think are victims? Does the fact they made it out okay erase the predatory nature of the loan? And if so, wouldn't loans held by others who would be fine without debt relief also not be predatory by the same logic?</quote>Yeah that sounds like a nice idea. And yes, other loans might also be considered immoral. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VIIVincent 01/28/21 1:47:52 AM #60:	You get a shiny piece of frame that says you either wasted your life or a ticket to future opportunities. The choice is yours. fyi, that frame doesnt mean your any better than the plumber that unclog a your toilet. --- This is the internet. You know the price it comes with when you have entered the filth and scum of this world. <cite>VIIVincent posted [p:950004751] in Shouldn't ... [t:79263002]...</cite> <quote>You get a shiny piece of frame that says you either wasted your life or a ticket to future opportunities. The choice is yours. fyi, that frame doesnt mean your any better than the plumber that unclog a your toilet. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sackgurl 01/28/21 2:08:27 AM #61:	Balrog0 posted... But morally it seems totally justifiable to want some recompensation for people who paid their loans off already my loans are paid off and i'm okay with not getting anything i don't need help --- LittleBigPlanet is like merging dress-up with a real game. <cite>Sackgurl posted [p:950005062] in Shouldn't ... [t:79263002]...</cite> <quote>Balrog0 posted... </cite> <quote>But morally it seems totally justifiable to want some recompensation for people who paid their loans off already</quote> my loans are paid off and i'm okay with not getting anything i don't need help </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IShall_Run_Amok 01/28/21 12:50:17 PM #62:	Balrog0 posted... plenty of them need help, and plenty of people with debt don't If they're in debt, they need help. If they need help, but are not in debt, then they don't need help...with the debt. --- reject humanity, return to wolef <cite>IShall_Run_Amok posted [p:950017779] in Shouldn't ... [t:79263002]...</cite> <quote>Balrog0 posted... </cite> <quote>plenty of them need help, and plenty of people with debt don't</quote>If they're in debt, they need help. If they need help, but are not in debt, then they don't need help...with the debt. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 01/28/21 12:51:43 PM #63:	IShall_Run_Amok posted... If they're in debt, they need help. If they need help, but are not in debt, then they don't need help...with the debt. Right, but they might need help with money, which they could have more of it they didn't pay off their debt. --- Trying to dunk since July 2020 <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:950017826] in Shouldn't ... [t:79263002]...</cite> <quote>IShall_Run_Amok posted... </cite> <quote>If they're in debt, they need help. If they need help, but are not in debt, then they don't need help...with the debt.</quote> Right, but they might need help with money, which they could have more of it they didn't pay off their debt. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 01/28/21 1:10:32 PM #64:	Balrog0 posted... Right, but they might need help with money, which they could have more of it they didn't pay off their debt. Then they should get help with money --- Stop being so aggressively argumentative for no reason. - UnfairRepresent <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:950018587] in Shouldn't ... [t:79263002]...</cite> <quote>Balrog0 posted... </cite> <quote>Right, but they might need help with money, which they could have more of it they didn't pay off their debt.</quote>Then they should get help with money </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SevenTenths 01/28/21 1:15:24 PM #66:	Anything that fucks over salie mae, navient, or the other administrators that have made billions by exploiting 20 year old ignorance is fine for me. But like you said it's not feasible. I would rather lose the money I've put back into it then have another generation have to put their life on hold for a decade. And whatever concessions or ugly kickbacks for politicians to get something to go after people who did pay probably isn't worth it. --- If you do things right, people won't be sure that you have done anything at all. I Like Toast Alt - https://mikelikesthis.net/ The Blog Is back <cite>SevenTenths posted [p:950018789] in Shouldn't ... [t:79263002]...</cite> <quote>Anything that fucks over salie mae, navient, or the other administrators that have made billions by exploiting 20 year old ignorance is fine for me. But like you said it's not feasible. I would rather lose the money I've put back into it then have another generation have to put their life on hold for a decade. And whatever concessions or ugly kickbacks for politicians to get something to go after people who did pay probably isn't worth it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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