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Shablagoo 01/25/21 5:39:43 AM #1:	https://www.rt.com/usa/513482-noam-%D1%81homsky-interview-hedges/ Liberals cant accept US is a leading terrorist state, just as Trump supporters cant accept his election loss Chomsky to RT 24 Jan, 2021 14:42 Just like many Trump supporters, US liberal intellectuals exist in a fantasy world in which a leading purveyor of international terrorism the US government is perceived as a fundamentally benign force, Noam Chomsky told RT. Just as you cant get the Republican mobs to admit that the election was lost, you cant get liberal American intellectuals to recognize that the United States is a leading terrorist state, Chomsky told RTs Chris Hedges. The facts are that for almost the entirety of its history as a sovereign state, the US has waged a war of aggression against somebody, Chomsky said. The so-called War on Terror, which Ronald Reagan made the focus of his foreign policy, was Washington dealing with resistance to US terrorism in Central America and also in South Africa. Nelson Mandela was considered terrorist by the US until 2008, long after the apartheid regime was dismantled. The US clandestine war on Nicaragua was ruled by the International Court of Justice a breach of international law. What the Reagan administration was doing was the peak of terrorism by our own definitions, Chomsky said. But the New York Times ran an editorial saying we can dismiss the judgement of the court because its a hostile forum. Why is it a hostile forum? Because it condemned the US. Another victim of the US is Cuba, which endured a decades-long blockade and a sustained US campaign to undermine its government and cause an uprising. In the US, those actions are perceived as the CIA hatching silly plots to take away Fidel Castros beard. It was not that, it was a serious terrorist war that almost led to the destruction of the world with the Cuban missile crisis, Chomsky pointed out. The failure of liberal intellectuals to see US policies for what they are is not something buried in the history books or limited to what is happening in foreign lands. The January 6 riot at the Capitol, for example, was not some crazed mobof Trump supporters coming out of nowhere and being defeated to prove the glory of American democracy. There are really serious ills bipartisan, incidentally, although the Republicans have gone off the spectrum but those are not being discussed, he said. And this failure is doing real harm to millions of Americans. The ideas of Bernie Sanders, a politician who would easily be considered right-center in a country like Germany, were painted as too radical for the US during the presidential campaign. What he is calling for universal healthcare, free higher education is just taken for granted by conservative parties in Europe, Chomsky said. This is such an insult against the American people to say, you are so backward and reactionary that you cant have what Mexico has, what France has, what Brazil has. --- "If you wanna grow your business you need to exploit more." ~Austin_Era_II "Out of those two? Racist for me... easily." ~Vicious_Dios <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:949893242] in Noam Choms... [t:79258820]...</cite> <quote>https://www.rt.com/usa/513482-noam-%D1%81homsky-interview-hedges/ Liberals cant accept US is a leading terrorist state, just as Trump supporters cant accept his election loss Chomsky to RT 24 Jan, 2021 14:42 <quote>Just like many Trump supporters, US liberal intellectuals exist in a fantasy world in which a leading purveyor of international terrorism the US government is perceived as a fundamentally benign force, Noam Chomsky told RT. Just as you cant get the Republican mobs to admit that the election was lost, you cant get liberal American intellectuals to recognize that the United States is a leading terrorist state, Chomsky told RTs Chris Hedges. The facts are that for almost the entirety of its history as a sovereign state, the US has waged a war of aggression against somebody, Chomsky said. The so-called War on Terror, which Ronald Reagan made the focus of his foreign policy, was Washington dealing with resistance to US terrorism in Central America and also in South Africa. Nelson Mandela was considered terrorist by the US until 2008, long after the apartheid regime was dismantled. The US clandestine war on Nicaragua was ruled by the International Court of Justice a breach of international law. What the Reagan administration was doing was the peak of terrorism by our own definitions, Chomsky said. But the New York Times ran an editorial saying we can dismiss the judgement of the court because its a hostile forum. Why is it a hostile forum? Because it condemned the US. Another victim of the US is Cuba, which endured a decades-long blockade and a sustained US campaign to undermine its government and cause an uprising. In the US, those actions are perceived as the CIA hatching silly plots to take away Fidel Castros beard. It was not that, it was a serious terrorist war that almost led to the destruction of the world with the Cuban missile crisis, Chomsky pointed out. The failure of liberal intellectuals to see US policies for what they are is not something buried in the history books or limited to what is happening in foreign lands. The January 6 riot at the Capitol, for example, was not some crazed mobof Trump supporters coming out of nowhere and being defeated to prove the glory of American democracy. There are really serious ills bipartisan, incidentally, although the Republicans have gone off the spectrum but those are not being discussed, he said. And this failure is doing real harm to millions of Americans. The ideas of Bernie Sanders, a politician who would easily be considered right-center in a country like Germany, were painted as too radical for the US during the presidential campaign. What he is calling for universal healthcare, free higher education is just taken for granted by conservative parties in Europe, Chomsky said. This is such an insult against the American people to say, you are so backward and reactionary that you cant have what Mexico has, what France has, what Brazil has.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ssjevot 01/25/21 5:42:52 AM #2:	Why is he publishing his stuff in Russia Today? It makes him look like a paid stooge even though he makes excellent points here. --- Favorite Games: BlazBlue: Central Fiction, Street Fighter III: Third Strike, Bayonetta, Bloodborne thats a username you habe - chuckyhacksss <cite>ssjevot posted [p:949893277] in Noam Choms... [t:79258820]...</cite> <quote>Why is he publishing his stuff in Russia Today? It makes him look like a paid stooge even though he makes excellent points here. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pinky0926 01/25/21 5:43:04 AM #3:	Noam Chomsky has always been a radical extremist with his entirely sensible arguments derived from factual premises --- CE's Resident Scotsman. https://imgur.com/ILz2ZbV <cite>pinky0926 posted [p:949893281] in Noam Choms... [t:79258820]...</cite> <quote>Noam Chomsky has always been a radical extremist with his entirely sensible arguments derived from factual premises </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
coh 01/25/21 5:45:59 AM #4:	Noam Chomsky is kind of a wackjob <cite>coh posted [p:949893311] in Noam Choms... [t:79258820]...</cite> <quote>Noam Chomsky is kind of a wackjob </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wii_Shaker 01/25/21 5:47:32 AM #5:	Interesting read. Not sure how fully I agree with his overall point but he did a good job of articulating them. --- "He busted in, blessed be the Lord Who believe any mess they read up on a message board" -MF DOOM <cite>Wii_Shaker posted [p:949893329] in Noam Choms... [t:79258820]...</cite> <quote>Interesting read. Not sure how fully I agree with his overall point but he did a good job of articulating them. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pinky0926 01/25/21 5:47:35 AM #6:	coh posted... Noam Chomsky is kind of a wackjob Sure, that's one lazy way to dismiss any point a person might make --- CE's Resident Scotsman. https://imgur.com/ILz2ZbV <cite>pinky0926 posted [p:949893330] in Noam Choms... [t:79258820]...</cite> <quote>coh posted... </cite> <quote>Noam Chomsky is kind of a wackjob</quote> Sure, that's one lazy way to dismiss any point a person might make </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Chadwick69 01/25/21 5:48:13 AM #7:	Yet everyone wants to come here for some reason. <cite>Chadwick69 posted [p:949893335] in Noam Choms... [t:79258820]...</cite> <quote>Yet everyone wants to come here for some reason. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
luigi13579 01/25/21 5:50:31 AM #8:	All true, although the messenger (RT) will put many off. Also, Vietnam.https://www.currentaffairs.org/2018/07/what-we-did Chadwick69 posted... Yet everyone wants to come here for some reason. To escape American foreign policy. <cite>luigi13579 posted [p:949893365] in Noam Choms... [t:79258820]...</cite> <quote>All true, although the messenger (RT) will put many off. Also, Vietnam.https://www.currentaffairs.org/2018/07/what-we-did Chadwick69 posted... </cite> <quote>Yet everyone wants to come here for some reason.</quote>To escape American foreign policy. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 01/25/21 5:53:55 AM #9:	ssjevot posted... Why is he publishing his stuff in Russia Today? It makes him look like a paid stooge even though he makes excellent points here. Yeah this is weird. On the other hand, he's been on stuff like CNN etc and I would guess that he thinks they're about as much bad actors as RT. He's not very fond of the media class in general so maybe he just doesn't care to distinguish. --- Stop being so aggressively argumentative for no reason. - UnfairRepresent <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:949893420] in Noam Choms... [t:79258820]...</cite> <quote>ssjevot posted... </cite> <quote>Why is he publishing his stuff in Russia Today? It makes him look like a paid stooge even though he makes excellent points here.</quote>Yeah this is weird. On the other hand, he's been on stuff like CNN etc and I would guess that he thinks they're about as much bad actors as RT. He's not very fond of the media class in general so maybe he just doesn't care to distinguish. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ssjevot 01/25/21 5:56:48 AM #10:	scar the 1 posted... Yeah this is weird. On the other hand, he's been on stuff like CNN etc and I would guess that he thinks they're about as much bad actors as RT. He's not very fond of the media class in general so maybe he just doesn't care to distinguish. RT spent so long promoting Trump and his supporters wild delusions. I would say it's equivalent to him going on FOX News. I realize RT had also promoted the US Green Party as well, but that was clearly also in support of Trump, and the end goal of damaging America. I like a lot of what Chomsky has to say, but publishing in RT will alienate his target audience (American "liberals" hate Russia now thanks to Trump), and is knowingly supporting a bad actor. --- Favorite Games: BlazBlue: Central Fiction, Street Fighter III: Third Strike, Bayonetta, Bloodborne thats a username you habe - chuckyhacksss <cite>ssjevot posted [p:949893455] in Noam Choms... [t:79258820]...</cite> <quote>scar the 1 posted... </cite> <quote>Yeah this is weird. On the other hand, he's been on stuff like CNN etc and I would guess that he thinks they're about as much bad actors as RT. He's not very fond of the media class in general so maybe he just doesn't care to distinguish.</quote> RT spent so long promoting Trump and his supporters wild delusions. I would say it's equivalent to him going on FOX News. I realize RT had also promoted the US Green Party as well, but that was clearly also in support of Trump, and the end goal of damaging America. I like a lot of what Chomsky has to say, but publishing in RT will alienate his target audience (American "liberals" hate Russia now thanks to Trump), and is knowingly supporting a bad actor. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pinky0926 01/25/21 6:02:58 AM #11:	ssjevot posted... RT spent so long promoting Trump and his supporters wild delusions. I would say it's equivalent to him going on FOX News. I realize RT had also promoted the US Green Party as well, but that was clearly also in support of Trump, and the end goal of damaging America. I like a lot of what Chomsky has to say, but publishing in RT will alienate his target audience (American "liberals" hate Russia now thanks to Trump), and is knowingly supporting a bad actor. I doubt that tbh. Noam Chomsky is about as much as a "liberal" as Rush Limbaugh is. Also he's not exactly in it for the twitter likes. --- CE's Resident Scotsman. https://imgur.com/ILz2ZbV <cite>pinky0926 posted [p:949893529] in Noam Choms... [t:79258820]...</cite> <quote>ssjevot posted... </cite> <quote>RT spent so long promoting Trump and his supporters wild delusions. I would say it's equivalent to him going on FOX News. I realize RT had also promoted the US Green Party as well, but that was clearly also in support of Trump, and the end goal of damaging America. I like a lot of what Chomsky has to say, but publishing in RT will alienate his target audience (American "liberals" hate Russia now thanks to Trump), and is knowingly supporting a bad actor.</quote> I doubt that tbh. Noam Chomsky is about as much as a "liberal" as Rush Limbaugh is. Also he's not exactly in it for the twitter likes. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ssjevot 01/25/21 6:09:32 AM #12:	pinky0926 posted... I doubt that tbh. Noam Chomsky is about as much as a "liberal" as Rush Limbaugh is. Also he's not exactly in it for the twitter likes. So if his target audience isn't American "liberals" who is his audience? Trumpers don't bother with RT anymore now that they threw their messiah in the trash. People who don't like the US already read stuff like RT or China Daily to get their propaganda that conforms to their world views, and actual leftists won't read shit like RT to begin with. You would think his goal is to reach out to the Bernia Sanders style liberals that think they're leftists because Sanders doesn't know what the word socialism means and think Social Democracy is Democratic Socialism. He has quite a movement that people like Chomsky could tap into to introduce leftist ideas to them. But those people also largely hate Russia now because hating Trump is practically their core identity. --- Favorite Games: BlazBlue: Central Fiction, Street Fighter III: Third Strike, Bayonetta, Bloodborne thats a username you habe - chuckyhacksss <cite>ssjevot posted [p:949893613] in Noam Choms... [t:79258820]...</cite> <quote>pinky0926 posted... </cite> <quote>I doubt that tbh. Noam Chomsky is about as much as a "liberal" as Rush Limbaugh is. Also he's not exactly in it for the twitter likes.</quote> So if his target audience isn't American "liberals" who is his audience? Trumpers don't bother with RT anymore now that they threw their messiah in the trash. People who don't like the US already read stuff like RT or China Daily to get their propaganda that conforms to their world views, and actual leftists won't read shit like RT to begin with. You would think his goal is to reach out to the Bernia Sanders style liberals that think they're leftists because Sanders doesn't know what the word socialism means and think Social Democracy is Democratic Socialism. He has quite a movement that people like Chomsky could tap into to introduce leftist ideas to them. But those people also largely hate Russia now because hating Trump is practically their core identity. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ilishe 01/25/21 6:10:45 AM #13:	Reading some of the comments here after that article puts into perspective just how right he is. It's the truth. America is not 'the good guys'. --- ~Phoenix Nine~ ~Victory needs no explanation; defeat allows none.~ <cite>Ilishe posted [p:949893624] in Noam Choms... [t:79258820]...</cite> <quote>Reading some of the comments here after that article puts into perspective just how right he is. It's the truth. America is not 'the good guys'. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Chadwick69 01/25/21 6:12:35 AM #14:	Ilishe posted... It's the truth. America is not 'the good guys'. Who is? <cite>Chadwick69 posted [p:949893645] in Noam Choms... [t:79258820]...</cite> <quote>Ilishe posted... </cite> <quote>It's the truth. America is not 'the good guys'.</quote>Who is? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pinky0926 01/25/21 6:14:18 AM #15:	ssjevot posted... So if his target audience isn't American "liberals" who is his audience? Trumpers don't bother with RT anymore now that they threw their messiah in the trash. People who don't like the US already read stuff like RT or China Daily to get their propaganda that conforms to their world views, and actual leftists won't read shit like RT to begin with. You would think his goal is to reach out to the Bernia Sanders style liberals that think they're leftists because Sanders doesn't know what the word socialism means and think Social Democracy is Democratic Socialism. He has quite a movement that people like Chomsky could tap into to introduce leftist ideas to them. But those people also largely hate Russia now because hating Trump is practically their core identity. "Target audience" is kind of missing the point. It can not be overstated how much the guy does not give a fuck whether he has one fan or 10 million of them. Liberals like to co-opt noam chomsky because the guy makes witty takedowns of republicans, capitalism, warmongering etc. but if they'd actually read his works they'd understand that he points his scorn at them as much as any. --- CE's Resident Scotsman. https://imgur.com/ILz2ZbV <cite>pinky0926 posted [p:949893663] in Noam Choms... [t:79258820]...</cite> <quote>ssjevot posted... </cite> <quote>So if his target audience isn't American "liberals" who is his audience? Trumpers don't bother with RT anymore now that they threw their messiah in the trash. People who don't like the US already read stuff like RT or China Daily to get their propaganda that conforms to their world views, and actual leftists won't read shit like RT to begin with. You would think his goal is to reach out to the Bernia Sanders style liberals that think they're leftists because Sanders doesn't know what the word socialism means and think Social Democracy is Democratic Socialism. He has quite a movement that people like Chomsky could tap into to introduce leftist ideas to them. But those people also largely hate Russia now because hating Trump is practically their core identity.</quote> "Target audience" is kind of missing the point. It can not be overstated how much the guy does not give a fuck whether he has one fan or 10 million of them. Liberals like to co-opt noam chomsky because the guy makes witty takedowns of republicans, capitalism, warmongering etc. but if they'd actually read his works they'd understand that he points his scorn at them as much as any. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ssjevot 01/25/21 6:15:35 AM #16:	Chadwick69 posted... Who is? There aren't good guys. There are various shades of gray playing geopolitics, but nationalism is a hell of a drug and can convince people their side is the good guys because tribalism is a core part of humanity. It feels good to know you are part of this great tribe and that your tribe is good and righteous. Invading Iraq to spread democracy and freedom and happiness feels a lot better than acknowledging your government is sending your troops to die to kill other people to advance geopolitical goals that benefit the elite in American society. --- Favorite Games: BlazBlue: Central Fiction, Street Fighter III: Third Strike, Bayonetta, Bloodborne thats a username you habe - chuckyhacksss <cite>ssjevot posted [p:949893685] in Noam Choms... [t:79258820]...</cite> <quote>Chadwick69 posted... </cite> <quote>Who is?</quote> There aren't good guys. There are various shades of gray playing geopolitics, but nationalism is a hell of a drug and can convince people their side is the good guys because tribalism is a core part of humanity. It feels good to know you are part of this great tribe and that your tribe is good and righteous. Invading Iraq to spread democracy and freedom and happiness feels a lot better than acknowledging your government is sending your troops to die to kill other people to advance geopolitical goals that benefit the elite in American society. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The_Creep_2020 01/25/21 6:17:25 AM #17:	Yeah, Noam Chomsky is pretty much chaotic neutral. Hes the socialist equivalent of the honey badger. --- Have I carved enough, my Lord? Child, you are a bone <cite>The_Creep_2020 posted [p:949893711] in Noam Choms... [t:79258820]...</cite> <quote>Yeah, Noam Chomsky is pretty much chaotic neutral. Hes the socialist equivalent of the honey badger. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The_Creep_2020 01/25/21 6:19:07 AM #18:	Although he did think reports of the Cambodian genocide were propaganda. --- Have I carved enough, my Lord? Child, you are a bone <cite>The_Creep_2020 posted [p:949893730] in Noam Choms... [t:79258820]...</cite> <quote>Although he did think reports of the Cambodian genocide were propaganda. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ssjevot 01/25/21 6:22:13 AM #19:	The_Creep_2020 posted... Although he did think reports of the Cambodian genocide were propaganda. A lot of people (like the TC), think that because America bad anything against America must be good. It's very hard to see things in gray instead of black and white. Chomsky fell into that trap because it's hard not to. A lot of people right now feel like they have to be China bad or US bad without realizing both bad is a valid option. Though acknowledging shades of gray is also important. You don't want to be one of those people who think there is no difference between Biden and Trump. --- Favorite Games: BlazBlue: Central Fiction, Street Fighter III: Third Strike, Bayonetta, Bloodborne thats a username you habe - chuckyhacksss <cite>ssjevot posted [p:949893772] in Noam Choms... [t:79258820]...</cite> <quote>The_Creep_2020 posted... </cite> <quote>Although he did think reports of the Cambodian genocide were propaganda.</quote> A lot of people (like the TC), think that because America bad anything against America must be good. It's very hard to see things in gray instead of black and white. Chomsky fell into that trap because it's hard not to. A lot of people right now feel like they have to be China bad or US bad without realizing both bad is a valid option. Though acknowledging shades of gray is also important. You don't want to be one of those people who think there is no difference between Biden and Trump. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Delirious_Beard 01/25/21 6:25:43 AM #20:	lmao is shab just linking straight to state run russian media at this point --- https://imgur.com/hLHUnOI You act like I don't know my own way home <cite>Delirious_Beard posted [p:949893823] in Noam Choms... [t:79258820]...</cite> <quote>lmao is shab just linking straight to state run russian media at this point </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 01/25/21 6:26:58 AM #21:	ssjevot posted... RT spent so long promoting Trump and his supporters wild delusions. I would say it's equivalent to him going on FOX News. I realize RT had also promoted the US Green Party as well, but that was clearly also in support of Trump, and the end goal of damaging America. I like a lot of what Chomsky has to say, but publishing in RT will alienate his target audience (American "liberals" hate Russia now thanks to Trump), and is knowingly supporting a bad actor. Chomsky is what, 90+ years old? I doubt he has a deliberate plan of communication at this point. Heck, he will reply to literally anyone who emails him. Try it and see. I bet he would reply in good faith if you asked him about why he agreed to an interview with RT. I might even ask him myself, because I'm curious. My point here is that I think it's unlikely that he's deliberately going out and selling an interview to some specific news agency. Likely the RT reporter contacted him and he replied. I very much doubt he's actively pushing an agenda at this point of his life, rather than just hanging out, being retired and responding when people ask him stuff. --- Stop being so aggressively argumentative for no reason. - UnfairRepresent <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:949893838] in Noam Choms... [t:79258820]...</cite> <quote>ssjevot posted... </cite> <quote>RT spent so long promoting Trump and his supporters wild delusions. I would say it's equivalent to him going on FOX News. I realize RT had also promoted the US Green Party as well, but that was clearly also in support of Trump, and the end goal of damaging America. I like a lot of what Chomsky has to say, but publishing in RT will alienate his target audience (American "liberals" hate Russia now thanks to Trump), and is knowingly supporting a bad actor.</quote>Chomsky is what, 90+ years old? I doubt he has a deliberate plan of communication at this point. Heck, he will reply to literally anyone who emails him. Try it and see. I bet he would reply in good faith if you asked him about why he agreed to an interview with RT. I might even ask him myself, because I'm curious. My point here is that I think it's unlikely that he's deliberately going out and selling an interview to some specific news agency. Likely the RT reporter contacted him and he replied. I very much doubt he's actively pushing an agenda at this point of his life, rather than just hanging out, being retired and responding when people ask him stuff. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ssjevot 01/25/21 6:30:40 AM #22:	scar the 1 posted... Chomsky is what, 90+ years old? I doubt he has a deliberate plan of communication at this point. Heck, he will reply to literally anyone who emails him. Try it and see. I bet he would reply in good faith if you asked him about why he agreed to an interview with RT. I might even ask him myself, because I'm curious. My point here is that I think it's unlikely that he's deliberately going out and selling an interview to some specific news agency. Likely the RT reporter contacted him and he replied. I very much doubt he's actively pushing an agenda at this point of his life, rather than just hanging out, being retired and responding when people ask him stuff. I should clarify that I don't think he is a bad actor here, I think he appears as one and harms his message getting out to the people who need to hear it due to the source. --- Favorite Games: BlazBlue: Central Fiction, Street Fighter III: Third Strike, Bayonetta, Bloodborne thats a username you habe - chuckyhacksss <cite>ssjevot posted [p:949893883] in Noam Choms... [t:79258820]...</cite> <quote>scar the 1 posted... </cite> <quote>Chomsky is what, 90+ years old? I doubt he has a deliberate plan of communication at this point. Heck, he will reply to literally anyone who emails him. Try it and see. I bet he would reply in good faith if you asked him about why he agreed to an interview with RT. I might even ask him myself, because I'm curious. My point here is that I think it's unlikely that he's deliberately going out and selling an interview to some specific news agency. Likely the RT reporter contacted him and he replied. I very much doubt he's actively pushing an agenda at this point of his life, rather than just hanging out, being retired and responding when people ask him stuff.</quote>I should clarify that I don't think he is a bad actor here, I think he appears as one and harms his message getting out to the people who need to hear it due to the source. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
treewojima 01/25/21 6:32:15 AM #23:	it's humorous to note that were Chomsky a Russian citizen, he'd probably be arrested for speaking out like this <cite>treewojima posted [p:949893908] in Noam Choms... [t:79258820]...</cite> <quote>it's humorous to note that were Chomsky a Russian citizen, he'd probably be arrested for speaking out like this</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 01/25/21 6:36:29 AM #24:	Alright, thanks for the clarification. You said it at the start but I kind of got lost in the rest of your reasoning. I agree that it doesn't look very good to be on RT, but I still think what I said is valid for the notion of his "target audience". I don't really think he reasons in those terms. I actually saw something pretty neat he said a while ago. He was asked about why he responds to everyone who asks him stuff and he said something very wholesome about how it gives him hope, he views it as his duty, etc. That doesn't rhyme super well with going on RT, but yeah. Like I said I just don't think there's an elaborate plan of communication from him in the first place rather than just answering questions wherever they are. He even went on some weird interview with a bunch of Jordan B Peterson fanboys a while back. --- Stop being so aggressively argumentative for no reason. - UnfairRepresent <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:949893962] in Noam Choms... [t:79258820]...</cite> <quote>Alright, thanks for the clarification. You said it at the start but I kind of got lost in the rest of your reasoning. I agree that it doesn't look very good to be on RT, but I still think what I said is valid for the notion of his "target audience". I don't really think he reasons in those terms. I actually saw something pretty neat he said a while ago. He was asked about why he responds to everyone who asks him stuff and he said something very wholesome about how it gives him hope, he views it as his duty, etc. That doesn't rhyme super well with going on RT, but yeah. Like I said I just don't think there's an elaborate plan of communication from him in the first place rather than just answering questions wherever they are. He even went on some weird interview with a bunch of Jordan B Peterson fanboys a while back. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Prismsblade 01/25/21 6:46:23 AM #25:	Shablagoo posted... The facts are that for almost the entirety of its history as a sovereign state, the US has waged a war of aggression against somebody, Cherry picking much? Theres been fewer wars this century then throughout any other point in human history. So let's not pretend it was the good old days prior to the evil mustache twirling US becoming a superpower in WW2. The east would have started WW5 by now. --- 3DS FC:3368-5403-9633 Name: Kaizer PSN: Blackkaizer <cite>Prismsblade posted [p:949894061] in Noam Choms... [t:79258820]...</cite> <quote>Shablagoo posted... </cite> <quote>The facts are that for almost the entirety of its history as a sovereign state, the US has waged a war of aggression against somebody,</quote>Cherry picking much? Theres been fewer wars this century then throughout any other point in human history. So let's not pretend it was the good old days prior to the evil mustache twirling US becoming a superpower in WW2. The east would have started WW5 by now. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pinky0926 01/25/21 7:34:05 AM #27:	ssjevot posted... I should clarify that I don't think he is a bad actor here, I think he appears as one and harms his message getting out to the people who need to hear it due to the source. Ah I was unclear on that part too, thanks. Yes perhaps it doesn't look good for him, but as @scar_the_1 pointed out Chomsky seems like someone who would answer a request from just about anyone if he had the time. --- CE's Resident Scotsman. https://imgur.com/ILz2ZbV <cite>pinky0926 posted [p:949894682] in Noam Choms... [t:79258820]...</cite> <quote>ssjevot posted... </cite> <quote>I should clarify that I don't think he is a bad actor here, I think he appears as one and harms his message getting out to the people who need to hear it due to the source.</quote> Ah I was unclear on that part too, thanks. Yes perhaps it doesn't look good for him, but as @scar_the_1 pointed out Chomsky seems like someone who would answer a request from just about anyone if he had the time. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexenherz 01/25/21 7:51:50 AM #28:	Delirious_Beard posted... lmao is shab just linking straight to state run russian media at this point Yeah, wtf --- FFXIV: Lucius Hexenseele (Brynhildr) \| RS3: UltimaSuende . 99 WC/Fish/Cook/Fletch/Div/Mining/Smithing/Thieving/Crafting/RC https://letterboxd.com/BMovieBro/ <cite>Hexenherz posted [p:949894919] in Noam Choms... [t:79258820]...</cite> <quote>Delirious_Beard posted... </cite> <quote>lmao is shab just linking straight to state run russian media at this point</quote>Yeah, wtf </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
teepan95 01/25/21 7:54:34 AM #29:	Chadwick69 posted... Ilishe posted... It's the truth. America is not 'the good guys'. Who is? The Leader of the Free World: Angela Merkel Also, the article in the OP makes excellent points --- teep dumb as f*** fr - BatmanVonDoom I'm gonna pound a 400 lb woman just to prove teep wrong - NigerianKnight <cite>teepan95 posted [p:949894968] in Noam Choms... [t:79258820]...</cite> <quote>Chadwick69 posted...</cite> <quote>Ilishe posted... </cite> <quote> It's the truth. America is not 'the good guys'.</quote>Who is?</quote> The Leader of the Free World: Angela Merkel Also, the article in the OP makes excellent points</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ilishe 01/25/21 8:08:52 AM #30:	Chadwick69 posted... Who is? There are no global good guys, friend. But there's evil and less evil, I guess. --- ~Phoenix Nine~ ~Victory needs no explanation; defeat allows none.~ <cite>Ilishe posted [p:949895215] in Noam Choms... [t:79258820]...</cite> <quote>Chadwick69 posted... </cite> <quote>Who is?</quote> There are no global good guys, friend. But there's evil and less evil, I guess. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VTBM 01/25/21 8:19:02 AM #31:	Noam Chomsky is garbage. --- https://imgur.com/e7sCCSb <cite>VTBM posted [p:949895435] in Noam Choms... [t:79258820]...</cite> <quote>Noam Chomsky is garbage. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TonyKojima 01/25/21 8:39:18 AM #32:	Honestly why is this guys opinion relevant? --- Though the XBOX 360 is good in theory, it's hardware limitations say otherwise - Hideo Kojima <cite>TonyKojima posted [p:949895884] in Noam Choms... [t:79258820]...</cite> <quote>Honestly why is this guys opinion relevant? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lemondrop7 01/25/21 9:00:35 AM #33:	This guys really a BoTh SiDeS idiot? Lol --- This signature is used so that my one line posts aren't swept into the wedge of you wall of text wankers <cite>lemondrop7 posted [p:949896394] in Noam Choms... [t:79258820]...</cite> <quote>This guys really a BoTh SiDeS idiot? Lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funkydog 01/25/21 9:01:41 AM #34:	I do gotta say, given just who it is on CE criticising Chomsky it only makes him seem more credible. --- https://imgur.com/BGbZK <cite>Funkydog posted [p:949896424] in Noam Choms... [t:79258820]...</cite> <quote>I do gotta say, given just who it is on CE criticising Chomsky it only makes him seem more credible. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
2Pacavelli 01/25/21 9:15:42 AM #35:	Everything he's said was correct <cite>2Pacavelli posted [p:949896729] in Noam Choms... [t:79258820]...</cite> <quote>Everything he's said was correct </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Trent 01/25/21 9:16:22 AM #36:	oh great now i'm supposed to care about what noam chomsky has to say --- i'm Trent B and i get respect your cash and your jewelry is what i expect <cite>The Trent posted [p:949896739] in Noam Choms... [t:79258820]...</cite> <quote>oh great now i'm supposed to care about what noam chomsky has to say </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thronedfire2 01/25/21 9:22:57 AM #37:	When has it ever been liberals that think America is some great world police? Thats republicans too.. --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... <cite>thronedfire2 posted [p:949896883] in Noam Choms... [t:79258820]...</cite> <quote>When has it ever been liberals that think America is some great world police? Thats republicans too.. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IShall_Run_Amok 01/25/21 9:25:35 AM #38:	What of American liberals DO see America as a leading terrorist state, they just don't want to acknowledge it because doing so is an existential threat to their world view? --- reject humanity, return to wolef <cite>IShall_Run_Amok posted [p:949896942] in Noam Choms... [t:79258820]...</cite> <quote>What of American liberals DO see America as a leading terrorist state, they just don't want to acknowledge it because doing so is an existential threat to their world view? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ssjevot 01/25/21 9:27:46 AM #39:	thronedfire2 posted... When has it ever been liberals that think America is some great world police? Thats republicans too.. I believe he is using liberal under the actual definition and not the one used in American politics. Look up liberalism on Wikipedia (and maybe also socialism while you're at it). --- Favorite Games: BlazBlue: Central Fiction, Street Fighter III: Third Strike, Bayonetta, Bloodborne thats a username you habe - chuckyhacksss <cite>ssjevot posted [p:949896993] in Noam Choms... [t:79258820]...</cite> <quote>thronedfire2 posted... </cite> <quote>When has it ever been liberals that think America is some great world police? Thats republicans too..</quote> I believe he is using liberal under the actual definition and not the one used in American politics. Look up liberalism on Wikipedia (and maybe also socialism while you're at it). </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thronedfire2 01/25/21 9:29:51 AM #40:	ssjevot posted... I believe he is using liberal under the actual definition and not the one used in American politics. Look up liberalism on Wikipedia (and maybe also socialism while you're at it). oh, yeah. I know liberal in the US is right wing everywhere else. Thought he was going by the US uses --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... <cite>thronedfire2 posted [p:949897040] in Noam Choms... [t:79258820]...</cite> <quote>ssjevot posted... </cite> <quote>I believe he is using liberal under the actual definition and not the one used in American politics. Look up liberalism on Wikipedia (and maybe also socialism while you're at it).</quote> oh, yeah. I know liberal in the US is right wing everywhere else. Thought he was going by the US uses </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 01/25/21 9:35:10 AM #41:	ssjevot posted... I believe he is using liberal under the actual definition and not the one used in American politics. Look up liberalism on Wikipedia (and maybe also socialism while you're at it). I don't see a lot of introspection about US war crimes from allegedly liberal media sources either, though, to be honest. No one is really saying that the US is a terrorist state, for example. Heck, you'd be hard pressed to find coverage of Venezuela or Bolivia that isn't very pro-coup. --- Stop being so aggressively argumentative for no reason. - UnfairRepresent <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:949897161] in Noam Choms... [t:79258820]...</cite> <quote>ssjevot posted... </cite> <quote>I believe he is using liberal under the actual definition and not the one used in American politics. Look up liberalism on Wikipedia (and maybe also socialism while you're at it).</quote>I don't see a lot of introspection about US war crimes from allegedly liberal media sources either, though, to be honest. No one is really saying that the US is a terrorist state, for example. Heck, you'd be hard pressed to find coverage of Venezuela or Bolivia that isn't very pro-coup. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gwynevere 01/25/21 9:36:15 AM #42:	He's not wrong. The list of governments destabilized by American foreign policy is depressingly long --- A hunter is a hunter...even in a dream <cite>Gwynevere posted [p:949897185] in Noam Choms... [t:79258820]...</cite> <quote>He's not wrong. The list of governments destabilized by American foreign policy is depressingly long </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ssjevot 01/25/21 9:39:41 AM #43:	thronedfire2 posted... oh, yeah. I know liberal in the US is right wing everywhere else. Thought he was going by the US uses It's not quite that simple. Liberalism has a range of ideologies from social democracy in the left to laissez faire capitalism on the right. Liberalism is mainly defined by specific ideological cornerstones such as liberty, private property, etc. The economic ideology can vary quite a bit but everything from relatively laissez faire Hong Kong to Social Democracy Sweden falls under liberalism. --- Favorite Games: BlazBlue: Central Fiction, Street Fighter III: Third Strike, Bayonetta, Bloodborne thats a username you habe - chuckyhacksss <cite>ssjevot posted [p:949897275] in Noam Choms... [t:79258820]...</cite> <quote>thronedfire2 posted... </cite> <quote>oh, yeah. I know liberal in the US is right wing everywhere else. Thought he was going by the US uses</quote> It's not quite that simple. Liberalism has a range of ideologies from social democracy in the left to laissez faire capitalism on the right. Liberalism is mainly defined by specific ideological cornerstones such as liberty, private property, etc. The economic ideology can vary quite a bit but everything from relatively laissez faire Hong Kong to Social Democracy Sweden falls under liberalism. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Infinite 2003 01/25/21 9:40:00 AM #44:	Go suck Xi Jinpings dick again TC --- Before I knew it there was poop on my lips. - squarion <cite>Infinite 2003 posted [p:949897279] in Noam Choms... [t:79258820]...</cite> <quote>Go suck Xi Jinpings dick again TC </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ssjevot 01/25/21 9:42:43 AM #45:	scar the 1 posted... I don't see a lot of introspection about US war crimes from allegedly liberal media sources either, though, to be honest. No one is really saying that the US is a terrorist state, for example. Heck, you'd be hard pressed to find coverage of Venezuela or Bolivia that isn't very pro-coup. You can find quite a bit of media and articles on American "liberal" networks/sites that are critical of US foreign policy but it's almost always after the fact and usually white washes the Democrats to the extant that they can (Vietnam, that was Republicans right, oh, well just don't mention that part). They will lose their shit about war crimes, human rights, etc. while a Republican is in office but as soon as they get a Democrat in there it's time to stop caring again. --- Favorite Games: BlazBlue: Central Fiction, Street Fighter III: Third Strike, Bayonetta, Bloodborne thats a username you habe - chuckyhacksss <cite>ssjevot posted [p:949897336] in Noam Choms... [t:79258820]...</cite> <quote>scar the 1 posted... </cite> <quote>I don't see a lot of introspection about US war crimes from allegedly liberal media sources either, though, to be honest. No one is really saying that the US is a terrorist state, for example. Heck, you'd be hard pressed to find coverage of Venezuela or Bolivia that isn't very pro-coup.</quote> You can find quite a bit of media and articles on American "liberal" networks/sites that are critical of US foreign policy but it's almost always after the fact and usually white washes the Democrats to the extant that they can (Vietnam, that was Republicans right, oh, well just don't mention that part). They will lose their shit about war crimes, human rights, etc. while a Republican is in office but as soon as they get a Democrat in there it's time to stop caring again. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
2Pacavelli 01/25/21 10:25:10 AM #46:	Instead of addressing his statements, people really want to attack the source platform instead. Biden has just sent more troops into Syria in the first few days of his inauguration showing more evidence A lot of times when you push for real change it'll be the so called liberals that will be your toughest opposers <cite>2Pacavelli posted [p:949898573] in Noam Choms... [t:79258820]...</cite> <quote>Instead of addressing his statements, people really want to attack the source platform instead. Biden has just sent more troops into Syria in the first few days of his inauguration showing more evidence A lot of times when you push for real change it'll be the so called liberals that will be your toughest opposers </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Smashingpmkns 01/25/21 10:31:27 AM #48:	He's not wrong --- https://imgur.com/x04tPRZ https://imgur.com/t7T392I <cite>Smashingpmkns posted [p:949898767] in Noam Choms... [t:79258820]...</cite> <quote>He's not wrong</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Trent 01/25/21 10:31:49 AM #49:	hasn't he been singing this song for, like, decades? he's the keith richards of intellectualism --- i'm Trent B and i get respect your cash and your jewelry is what i expect <cite>The Trent posted [p:949898775] in Noam Choms... [t:79258820]...</cite> <quote>hasn't he been singing this song for, like, decades? he's the keith richards of intellectualism </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shablagoo 01/25/21 11:53:47 AM #50:	Chadwick69 posted... Who is? As far as a powerful, global, leftist influence? China is probably the best bet. Closer to an independent utopia? Maybe Kerala or Cuba or Vietnam or the Zapatistas. ssjevot posted... It's not quite that simple. Liberalism has a range of ideologies from social democracy in the left to laissez faire capitalism on the right. Liberalism is mainly defined by specific ideological cornerstones such as liberty, private property, etc. Private property aka one or a few persons holding the resources that the community requires to survive is inherently capitalist. --- "If you wanna grow your business you need to exploit more." ~Austin_Era_II "Out of those two? Racist for me... easily." ~Vicious_Dios <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:949901281] in Noam Choms... [t:79258820]...</cite> <quote>Chadwick69 posted... </cite> <quote>Who is?</quote> As far as a powerful, global, leftist influence? China is probably the best bet. Closer to an independent utopia? Maybe Kerala or Cuba or Vietnam or the Zapatistas. ssjevot posted... </cite> <quote>It's not quite that simple. Liberalism has a range of ideologies from social democracy in the left to laissez faire capitalism on the right. Liberalism is mainly defined by specific ideological cornerstones such as liberty, private property, etc.</quote> Private property aka one or a few persons holding the resources that the community requires to survive is inherently capitalist. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Trent 01/25/21 11:55:48 AM #51:	China: the good guys --- i'm Trent B and i get respect your cash and your jewelry is what i expect <cite>The Trent posted [p:949901338] in Noam Choms... [t:79258820]...</cite> <quote>China: the good guys </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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