Current Events > When should i start hating Skyler in Breaking Bad? (Spoilers)

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pogo_rabid posted...

Her character was just badly written. If you wanted a complex wife to the main character, all you need to do is copy paste Carmela Soprano's character, that character pulled off what they were going for so much better.

That would not have worked in the slightest. Carmella had zero qualms with Tony's work.

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It would have made the series a ton more enjoyable if Walt and her weren't bogging down the series with frustrating to the viewer domestic shit that did nothing to push the story forward.

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Also, its kinda pathetic that anybody hates a character for doing what they were written to do in a show. Like people who hate Geoffrey in game of thrones. I mean yeah obviously hes a bad person but hes an excellent and fun character in a fictional series and it doesnt make sense to hate a character. Hate a character if they are poorly written, not if they are written to be evil or something.

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pogo_rabid posted...

It would have made the series a ton more enjoyable if Walt and her weren't bogging down the series with frustrating to the viewer domestic shit that did nothing to push the story forward.

The White's domestic troubles pushed the story forward far more than the Soprano's domestic troubles did.

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Kastrada posted...

The White's domestic troubles pushed the story forward far more than the Soprano's domestic troubles did.

Considering the entirety of seasons 4 and 5 pretty much focused on their domestic issues without it bogging things down, I disagree.

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Rika_Furude posted...

Also, its kinda pathetic that anybody hates a character for doing what they were written to do in a show. Like people who hate Geoffrey in game of thrones. I mean yeah obviously hes a bad person but hes an excellent and fun character in a fictional series and it doesnt make sense to hate a character. Hate a character if they are poorly written, not if they are written to be evil or something.

Jeffery is a character you love to hate, because he was good at playing the role he was assigned. Skylar is similar, but you WANT to like her.. it just hard sometimes.

Very different stories.

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Conflict posted...

This doesn't even make sense lol. You're making it sound like people are hating the actors themselves for playing evil characters. It's completely normal to get invested in fiction and dislike a character for how they conduct themselves

People hating the actors for playing their character is even worse but not what Im talking about.

What I mean is people who say they hate Walter white because hes a criminal. The implication the show would be better off without him because they hate evil characters because they do evil things. I dont understand the hate for fictional characters based on their actions in the show. Theres a difference between investment in a show and obtuse reactions.

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pogo_rabid posted...

It would have made the series a ton more enjoyable if Walt and her weren't bogging down the series with frustrating to the viewer domestic shit that did nothing to push the story forward.

But Walt's entire thing is that he's an unremarkable family man when he gets into the meth business. He wouldn't be the same character if he didn't start off in that position.

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pogo_rabid posted...

Her character was just badly written. If you wanted a complex wife to the main character, all you need to do is copy paste Carmela Soprano's character, that character pulled off what they were going for so much better.

People didn't really like Carmela either. People also complained about Meadow.

i feel like skyler is unlikable by design. but so are a lot of characters in the show, so i never singled her out for it.

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Rika_Furude posted...

Geoffrey

It's Joffrey.

SolidShadow3 posted...

Jeffery

It's JOFFREY.


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SpaceBear_ posted...

It's Joffrey.

It's JOFFREY.

i dunno why but your post made me laugh. thanks

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SubtletyRefuge posted...

Walt was honestly incompetent. Everything bad that happened was because of his ego. He was (last episode spoilers) so bad that the only reason he got his happy ending was because literal neo-nazis were kind enough to let him go and also keep Jesse alive because one of them wanted to impress someone else.

They didn't let walt go. They were going to kill him once they had shown him that Jesse wasn't their partner. They wanted to defend their pride which is why walt had the chance to spring the trap

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I think im about mid way through season 4 and Skyler is fine.

Plus, Gus is so much cooler than walter so far IMO.

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She's a well acted character who isn't as bad of a person as Walt, so I'm pretty sure it's mostly Walt fanboys who say she sucks.

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So Skyler is a well written character, her choices make sense.

I think what happens with people hating her is that often times as an audience member BB can feel like "the walt and jesse happy fun wacky adventure hour" and Skyler, by being grounded, gets in the way of the trip to the simpsons proverbial fireworks factory.

There's nothing wrong with her, but scenes with walt dealing with her are scenes where walt isn't out having a wild adventure.

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I never hated her . I actually felt sorry for her .
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The show got boring during her scenes. I didnt hate her I just thought the series was significantly slowed down by the family storylines. I get why they did but imo breaking bad just ended up being more enthralling than I think the writers ever thought and I wouldve preferred a move into a different direction. Maybe walts cancer is healed but he comes home and his family has been killed by enemies in the drug game. And then they focus on characters like Gus mike etc more.

I dont think its a mystery why better call Saul is heralded as the better show

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SubtletyRefuge posted...

Walt was honestly incompetent. Everything bad that happened was because of his ego. He was (last episode spoilers) so bad that the only reason he got his happy ending was because literal neo-nazis were kind enough to let him go and also keep Jesse alive because one of them wanted to impress someone else.

I always laugh in the last episode when he says he didn't stop because he was good at it. The entire series takes place over two years, and within that time you topple your employer's drug empire and strike out on your own. He needed someone with a good mind for business because as soon as he tried calling the shots everything went to shit.

jason19192 posted...

You're also supposed to be fine with Jane choking on her vomit. The misogyny towards the female characters in this show was disgusting.

erm

You are NOT supposed to be fine with that

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Skyler was a pretty crappy house wife who was a very significant reason why Walt felt so unappreciated pre meth cooking. She is just a very self absorbed person.

Also, it's a tv show. I don't have to like or dislike characters based on morals. Entertainment is really all that matters. Skyler often wasn't an entertaining character. Domestic drama in a crime drama tends not to be that great.

Like holy crap at people who still virtue signal, " but the misogyny" over why Skyler was disliked.

She went from nagging and self absorbed housewife to concerned about her husband to hypocritically getting herself deeply involved in the meth business. Her shifts just weren't very realistic and she was a poorly written character just designed to be a foil to the protagonist. Stop treating her like she and Walt were real people.

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TommyG663513 posted...

Skyler was a pretty crappy house wife who was a very significant reason why Walt felt so unappreciated pre meth cooking.

Walt didn't feel that Skylar didn't appreciate him, he couldn't even get hard

He felt like he had failed to provide his family what they deserved and pisses away a billion dollar legacy due to a love triangle

I dunno what show you watched

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She's kind of a bitch but when she chews out Maria...*chefs kiss*

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UnfairRepresent posted...

Walt didn't feel that Skylar didn't appreciate him, he couldn't even get hard

He felt like he had failed to provide his family what they deserved and pisses away a billion dollar legacy due to a love triangle

I dunno what show you watched

I watched the failed birthday HJ while Skyler was more concerned with her ebay auction. I don't think many people get hard for an afterthought birthday HJ.

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TommyG663513 posted...

I watched the failed birthday HJ while Skyler was more concerned with her ebay auction. I don't think many people get hard for an afterthought birthday HJ.

then you missed the point of the scene

Walt didn't know Skylar was watching the auction and post Meth making he got hard as a rock

The literal point was that Walt was depressed at what he thought was an underachieving life and being a Methkingpin soothed that

he got to be big and powerful and succeed whole providing for his loved ones

" Skylar didn't appreciate him" is so far off the mark its comical

Skylar was willing to go into debt for her entire life, ruin Flynn's college plans and be a single mother with a baby just to buy a few more months with Walt

The show went out of it's way to show how much she cared and how much Walt destroyed their marriage

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UnfairRepresent posted...

then you missed the point of the scene

Walt didn't know Skylar was watching the auction and post Meth making he got hard as a rock

The literal point was that Walt was depressed at what he thought was an underachieving life and being a Methkingpin soothed that

he got to be big and powerful and succeed whole providing for his loved ones

" Skylar didn't appreciate him" is so far off the mark its comical

Skylar was willing to go into debt for her entire life, ruin Flynn's college plans and be a single mother with a baby just to buy a few more months with Walt

The show went out of it's way to show how much she cared and how much Walt destroyed their marriage

Lol no

Skyler got her taste of power too and she also enjoyed it. Skyler was always a pretty self absorbed person.

Either way, the domestic parts with Skyler were always the least interesting parts of the show.

Also, where do people get the idea that we are supposed to like or dislike characters based on their morales? This is a show about an nice guy turned anti hero turned outright villain. That is just much more interesting to watch than a worried housewife. No misogyny, just entertainment. Blame the writers for not making Skyler more interesting or likeable than the protagonist that she frequently acted as a foil to.

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Walt was a terrible human being Skyler was actually super supportive till the end

Only people that have had little interaction with others would see her as a *****

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TommyG663513 posted...

Skyler got her taste of power too and she also enjoyed it.

Not denying that but that was several seasons in, long after Walt took a chainsaw to their relationship

There is no sign whatsoever that she didnt appreciate Walt and in fact the premise of the show was predicated on the fact she did and Walt felt like a failure

It's a super weird take that contradicts the source material and makes the show stop making as much sense

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UnfairRepresent posted...

Not denying that but that was several seasons in, long after Walt took a chainsaw to their relationship

There is no sign whatsoever that she didnt appreciate Walt and in fact the premise of the show was predicated on the fact she did and Walt felt like a failure

It's a super weird take that contradicts the source material and makes the show stop making as much sense

So you didn't watch the pilot episode or the first season? Skyler wore the pants and Walt didn't like that. Skyler generally speaking for both of them was a huge drive for Walt to do something on his own.

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TommyG663513 posted...

So you didn't watch the pilot episode or the first season? Skyler wore the pants and Walt didn't like that. Skyler generally speaking for both of them was a huge drive for Walt to do something on his own.

I think you're projecting your own feelings

I didn't see any of that and the show makes a hell of lot less sense if Walter didn't feel like Skylar loved him

it also makes Skylars actions (the ones you keep ignoring) no longer make sense either

Christ Walt flat out admits this in the finale

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UnfairRepresent posted...

I think you're projecting your own feelings

I didn't see any of that and the show makes a hell of lot less sense if Walter didn't feel like Skylar loved him

it also makes Skylars actions (the ones you keep ignoring) no longer make sense either

Christ Walt flat out admits this in the finale

So you didn't even watch the show then?

Walt didn't care about Skyler loving him or not. I mean, he felt under appreciated in his relationship much like he felt underappreciated in quite literally every aspect of his life. Everything about him was about regaining that macho sense. Skyler wore the pants and ran the show. Skyler was thrown off cause she was no longer in charge and then her concern spiraled further once she learned more and more of the truth.

I don't know why anyone defends Skyler. Even a lot of the defenders will admit she wasn't a well written character. Poorly written characters tend not to be well liked.

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TommyG663513 posted...

I don't know why anyone defends Skyler.

probably because they dont have weird takeaways that involve ignoring what actually happened on the show to justify o_O

TommyG663513 posted...

Even a lot of the defenders will admit she wasn't a well written character. Poorly written characters tend not to be well liked.

I agree with that

But she was not written to ever imply that she didn't appreciate Walt

UnfairRepresent posted...

Skylar was willing to go into debt for her entire life, ruin Flynn's college plans and be a single mother with a baby just to buy a few more months with Walt

The show went out of it's way to show how much she cared and how much Walt destroyed their marriage

UnfairRepresent posted...

I didn't see any of that and the show makes a hell of lot less sense if Walter didn't feel like Skylar loved him

it also makes Skylars actions (the ones you keep ignoring) no longer make sense either

Christ Walt flat out admits this in the finale

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You can tell from like the very first episode that she's extremely self-centered and part of the reason Walt even did what he did was because nobody (his wife included) gave him any respect

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The point of the show is to watch Walter try to succeed in his transformation from chemistry teacher to meth kingpin.

Skyler usually either disapproves of whatever Walt is doing or gets in his way.

Plus she fucked Ted.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

You can tell from like the very first episode that she's extremely self-centered and part of the reason Walt even did what he did was because nobody (his wife included) gave him any respect

Obviously Walt is a piece of shit. But she literally gave a big speech with all the attention focused on her at WALT'S birthday while Walt is just fucking off in the corner somewhere

This basically. Her getting into the meth business was in big part due to ego. Remember when she conned that dude out of his car wash? Or how she helped Ted cook the books and then helped cover it all up? Or how her and Ted were intimate and she shoves it in Walt's face? Skyler is far from a saint and only ever really looks good when you compare her to Walt who eventually becomes the villain of the show.

Defending Skyler is weird to me, because she isn't real. Like people were treating the internet attacks on her like there was a victim to it. It's a character on a show. Completely fictional.

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TommyG663513 posted...

This basically. Her getting into the meth business was in big part due to ego. Remember when she conned that dude out of his car wash? Or how she helped Ted cook the books and then helped cover it all up? Or how her and Ted were intimate and she shoves it in Walt's face? Skyler is far from a saint and only ever really looks good when you compare her to Walt who eventually becomes the villain of the show.

You forgot smoking when pregnant

Every example you gave was long after Walt destroyed their relationship with a sledgehammer.

No one is claiming that Skylar is a saint. The point Is that "Walt became a Meth Kingpin because Skylar didn't appreciate him" isn't reflected in the show and several key factors of plot and character literally rely on it not being true. Including Walt himself being openly blunt about his actions

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UnfairRepresent posted...

You forgot smoking when pregnant

Every example you gave was long after Walt destroyed their relationship with a sledgehammer.

No one is claiming that Skylar is a saint. The point Is that "Walt became a Meth Kingpin because Skylar didn't appreciate him" isn't reflected in the show and several key factors of plot and character literally rely on it not being true. Including Walt himself being openly blunt about his actions

No he became a meth kingpin because NOBODY appreciated him AND he was diagnosed with a terminal illness.

Skyler was one of the more prominent people who didn't appreciate him.

A lot of Skyler's actions ONLY look understandable or tolerable in relation to Walt. Outside of that she looks like garbage. When you need to be compared to a meth kingpin to look good (she became integral to his meth operation eventually btw) then you really aren't that great.

The only redeeming part of Skyler would have been if she immediately divorced Walt and reported him to the authorities when she KNEW for a fact what he was doing. That is it.

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jason19192 posted...

You're also supposed to be fine with Jane choking on her vomit. The misogyny towards the female characters in this show was disgusting.

Fuck Jane
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TommyG663513 posted...

No he became a meth kingpin because NOBODY appreciated him AND he was diagnosed with a terminal illness.

Skyler was one of the more prominent people who didn't appreciate him.

Nothing in the show demonstrates this and plenty directly opposes it including Walt's own words

Especially considering no one appreciated him as a Meth kingpin. They just used or feared him

Your take is extremely strange and antithetical to the events of show , that's why no one agrees with it

Not because of feminism or any other bogeyman

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Conflict posted...

It's really just blind attachment to the main protagonist of the show

This. People who get too attached to Walt fail to realize that he's not supposed to be a good guy. Skyler was well within her rights to be sick of his shit.
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well Walt dragged his family into that whole biz so if anything, she was right to be pissed at him...

There is one legit reason to hate her

"Happy birthday Mr. President..."

I don't know which one is worse, that HB scene or the HB scene in The Sopranos. Two of the best shows ever have a similar scene where it's uncomfortable and cringey as hell.

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Southernfatman posted...

There is one legit reason to hate her

"Happy birthday Mr. President..."

I don't know which one is worse, that HB scene or the HB scene in The Sopranos. Two of the best shows ever have a similar scene where it's uncomfortable and cringey as hell.

You do know that Ted basically forced her to do the song? She didn't want to do it.

At the end of the day, she was an antagonist in her own way, that's why people dont like her. End of story.

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