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Chunkey Simmons
01/18/21 10:56:29 AM
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Serious question. Is there actually any proof that Trump had anything to do with the riot that happened? Seems like just speculation.
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01/18/21 10:57:43 AM
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PoundGarden
01/18/21 10:59:46 AM
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So you didnt watch his speech that day or do any follow up whatsoever, and are relying on hearsay and opinions on a video game message board to inform you.

Your average voter, ladies and gentlemen

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creativerealms
01/18/21 10:59:52 AM
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Did you watch the rally that happened before the riot?

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TendoDRM
01/18/21 11:00:34 AM
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Chunkey Simmons posted...
Is there actually any proof that Trump had anything to do with the riot that happened?
Yes, there is.

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Unsugarized_Foo
01/18/21 11:01:56 AM
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As of right now, just for show. Nothing will happen due to it, if it's deserved or not

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RadiantJoyrock
01/18/21 11:02:39 AM
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Chunkey Simmons posted...
Serious question. Is there actually any proof that Trump had anything to do with the riot that happened? Seems like just speculation.
He's literally on video at one of his rallies inciting them to go there, and it wasn't a riot, it was a terrorist attack.
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Chunkey Simmons
01/18/21 11:03:17 AM
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creativerealms posted...
Did you watch the rally that happened before the riot?

No I didn't watch it. Did Trump say "let's attack the capital"?
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TheBlueMonk_
01/18/21 11:03:28 AM
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here is the article of impeachment (2nd time)

https://cicilline.house.gov/sites/cicilline.house.gov/files/documents/ARTICLES%20-%20Final%201030%20-%20011121.pdf

ARTICLE 1: INCITEMENT OF INSURRECTION
The Constitution provides that the House of Representatives "shall have the sole Power of Impeachment" and that the President "shall be removed from Office on Impeachment, for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors." Further, section 3 of the 14th Amendment to the Constitution prohibits any person who has "engaged in insurrection or rebellion against" the United States from "hold[ing] and office ... under the United States.' In his conduct while President of the United States and in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, provide, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed Donald John Trump engaged in high Crimes and Misdemeanors by inciting violence against the Government of the United States, in that:

On January 6, 2021, pursuant to the 12th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, the Vice President of the United States, the House of Representatives, and the Senate met at the United States Capitol for a Joint Session of Congress to count the votes of the Electoral College. In the months preceding the Joint Session, President Trump repeatedly issued false statements asserting that the Presidential election results were the product of widespread fraud and should not be accepted by the American people or certified by State or Federal officials. Shortly before the Joint Session commenced, President Trump, addressed a crowd at the Ellipse in Washington, D.C. There, he reiterated false claims that "we won this election, and we won it by a landslide." He also willfully made statements that, in context, encouraged and foreseeably resulted in lawless action at the Capitol, such as: "if you don't fight like hell you're not going to have a country anymore." Thus incited by President Trump, members of the crowd he had addressed, in an attempt to, among other objectives, interfere with the Joint Session's solemn constitutional duty to certify the results of the 2020 Presidential election, unlawfully breached and vandalized the Capitol, injured and killed law enforcement personnel, menaced Members of Congress, the Vice President, and Congressional personnel, and engaged in other violent, deadly, destructive and seditious acts.
President Trump's conduct on January 6, 2021, followed his prior efforts to subvert and obstruct the certification of the results of the 2020 Presidential election. Those prior efforts included a phone call on January 2, 2021, during which President Trump urged the secretary of state of Georgia, Brad Raffensperger, to "find" enough votes to overturn the Georgia Presidential election results and threatened Secretary Raffensperger if he failed to do so.
In all this, President Trump gravely endangered the security of the United States and its institutions of Government. He threatened the integrity of the democratic system, interfered with the peaceful transition of power, and imperiled a coequal branch of Government. He thereby betrayed his trust as President, to the manifest injury of the people of the United States.
Wherefore, Donald John Trump, by such conduct, has demonstrated that he will remain a threat to national security, democracy, and the Constitution if allowed to remain in office, and has acted in a manner grossly incompatible with self-governance and the rule of law. Donald John Trump thus warrants impeachment and trial, removal from office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust, or profit under the United States.

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Zikten
01/18/21 11:04:35 AM
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Chunkey Simmons posted...


No I didn't watch it. Did Trump say "let's attack the capital"?

Yes actually
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Chunkey-Simmons
01/18/21 11:08:54 AM
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Zikten posted...
Chunkey Simmons posted...


No I didn't watch it. Did Trump say "let's attack the capital"?

Yes actually

If that's true, then yes, no doubt he should be impeached
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creativerealms
01/18/21 11:11:31 AM
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Chunkey Simmons posted...
No I didn't watch it. Did Trump say "let's attack the capital"?
He's not that stupid. Not even Trump is that dumb.

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Hexenherz
01/18/21 11:14:49 AM
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Did you pay attention to this guy s behavior at all the past four years? Or what he said at the debates? Or how he attacked the elections through lawsuits anx lies about their validity? Or his rally?

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ZevLoveDOOM
01/18/21 11:15:56 AM
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Trump doesnt need to be explicit in the way he says thing. his fanatics know how to read between the lines...
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Cheater87
01/18/21 11:22:16 AM
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He staged a coup.

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CE_gonna_CE
01/18/21 11:22:41 AM
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Because hes a colossal shitfuck

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pinky0926
01/18/21 11:25:04 AM
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JustMyOpinion posted...
Is TC trolling or does he just live under a rock?

Unfortunately these bad faith actors really think they're making intelligent conversation when they wilfully ignore the things Trump literally does


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Proto_Spark
01/18/21 11:27:35 AM
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Chunkey Simmons posted...
No I didn't watch it. Did Trump say "let's attack the capital"?

No, but there's more than enough context clues to say has a hand in it, and given impeachment is 100% a political move and not going to send Trump to prison even if everyone agrees Trump broke the law, it shouldn't matter if he directly says "lets attack the capital".

The fact that he's repeatedly stated the election is fake with no proof, the fact he's already been charged with incitement to riot before, the fact that he refused to release the National Guard 6 times during the events on Jan 6, or the fact that it began literally right after Trump gave a speech telling his crowd to "March on the capital" or even during the siege he was calling Mike Pence and co. deliberately trying to get them to stop the count.

There's so much context here, that if Trump can't get removed for this, I doubt anyone will ever be able to be justifiably removed again.
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Chunkey Simmons
01/18/21 11:29:31 AM
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JustMyOpinion posted...
Is TC trolling or does he just live under a rock?

I'm not politically savvy but I'm trying to be better at it

pinky0926 posted...
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Unfortunately these bad faith actors really think they're making intelligent conversation when they wilfully ignore the things Trump literally does


Really don't care about how you feel about me
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Thompson
01/18/21 11:30:32 AM
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Not holding the president accountable for inciting a treasonous riot sets a very bad precedent, just saying.

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pinky0926
01/18/21 11:31:13 AM
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Chunkey Simmons posted...
I'm not politically savvy but I'm trying to be better at it

Really don't care about how you feel about me

only god can judge meeeeeeeee

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Chunkey Simmons
01/18/21 11:33:07 AM
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pinky0926 posted...
Chunkey Simmons posted...
I'm not politically savvy but I'm trying to be better at it

Really don't care about how you feel about me

only god can judge meeeeeeeee

Insults don't really work if I don't understand the reference. So I'm completely unaffected. Backfired
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The Popo
01/18/21 11:37:53 AM
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He even says at one point in the speech to go down to the Capitol and protest peacefully. I wonder if thatll hold up for him, since he never explicitly says to go down and invade the Capitol.

But he spend the rest of speech whipping the crowd into a frenzy, going on about the entire political system is setup to cheat them, corruption stole the election, fake news, weak Republicans who wont join them, etc.

It would be like telling someone who had a faithful wife with absolutely no wrong doing that Shes been cheating on you, heres the guy she cheated with, he ruined your life, he is gonna make you broke in the divorce, your kids have been lied to and will never see you again, you have nothing to live for. I know youre angry right now, so here is that guys address. I know hes home. Go over there, give him a piece of your mind, but just be calm about it.

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Hexenherz
01/18/21 3:24:45 PM
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The Popo posted...
He even says at one point in the speech to go down to the Capitol and protest peacefully. I wonder if thatll hold up for him, since he never explicitly says to go down and invade the Capitol.

But he spend the rest of speech whipping the crowd into a frenzy, going on about the entire political system is setup to cheat them, corruption stole the election, fake news, weak Republicans who wont join them, etc.

It would be like telling someone who had a faithful wife with absolutely no wrong doing that Shes been cheating on you, heres the guy she cheated with, he ruined your life, he is gonna make you broke in the divorce, your kids have been lied to and will never see you again, you have nothing to live for. I know youre angry right now, so here is that guys address. I know hes home. Go over there, give him a piece of your mind, but just be calm about it.

It wasn't even just about the speech - he knows he has a lot of support from far right white nationalist militias / terrorist groups and he has been pandering to them this whole time. The shit that happened on the 6th was the culmination of that pandering.

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David1988
01/18/21 3:28:20 PM
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Apparently he didnt explicitly say lets attack the capital but he told his supporters in between the lines. I find that highly sus because we all know how dumb Trump supporters are, they dont have the ability to read in between the lines, if anything they were stupid enough to misinterpret what Trump was saying and stormed the capitol

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ColdRainAndSnow
01/18/21 3:30:04 PM
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Reporting you for trolling, are you like serious are you being willfully ignorant. Whatever it still counts as a troll.

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