Poll of the Day > What are your thoughts on suicide?

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Lots of cultural differences around the subject, and has a few circumstances where I think it's acceptable.

Generally speaking, I would advocate against it, and strongly encourage anyone considering to seek professional assistance.

IronBornCorps posted...

Generally speaking, I would advocate against it, and strongly encourage anyone considering to seek professional assistance.

Agreed. It doesn't work for everyone but please seek help if you feel this way.


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Its hard to understand depression without knowing someone with depression or having experienced it first hand.

I had a relative that thought it didn't exist until he started taking anti seizure medication that made him depressed.

Its just something that some people can't understand.


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its unfortunate but i understand it. i think there are very few instances where it makes sense (things that would fall under physician-assisted suicide being most of them), but in any other instance, i think that living will always be the better option overall

i myself have resolved to never die if i can help it. frankly there isnt much more i can go through that ISNT worse than what i already have and yet i am still here and want to keep being here because i believe in better for everyone, so i dont think it will come to that

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Conner4REAL posted...

no its because they didnt sack up and either deal with it or get help and deal with it. But making the decision of suicide is cowardice no matter how you slice it. That is 1000x more true today than it was decades ago because there are more rescources and more easily available rescources.

By definition it can't be cowardice since a lot of people are afraid of death.
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I've attempted suicide multiple times, not half assed attempts full on ones where I should have died and for some reason the universe wouldn't let me.

Why?

Well it's a long story, but a very short version is, my dad left when I was 2 (and my brother was born), because he was not quiet like me. My mom was abused (supposedly by my dad and def by my grandmother) so didn't want to touch us or take care of us.She left me with my grandmother who held me under water, burned me, hit me, stuffed me in dark closest and eventually in a shed in Wickenburg AZ filled with spiders and webs (pitch black). She was a monster, and all I wished for was death at that point in my life.

I never fully recovered from that, it's hard to do so, even if you find things you enjoy in life etc, the fact that at one point you wished for death with all your heart doesn't go away. Also, as a survival method at the time, I sort of learned how to travel through time, to realize that no matter what was going on it would be over eventually.

That is a good survival mechanism but, it also kinda invalidates most other things in life, if you believe that you'll be at the end of your life one day and everything you have done will be gone in a blink of an eye, it's hard to care too much about anything, and if you get in a really bad part of your life again, suicide looks like a great idea.

I mostly survived by focusing on taking care of others, I was able to enjoy things because I was helping others enjoy them, and in the process having fun/enjoying things as well myself. For the most part that worked pretty well.

But many people have been in situations that are very hard to overcome and live with, and it certainly is not "weak" for them to end their lives if they get to tired, or things become to hard. Killing yourself is not easy (though some methods are obviously easier than others).

I have, for the most part, made a good impact in many peoples lives from staying around, and for that I am happy that I did so. I still would probably choose not to have been born despite all of that, if given the option, even though I realize that would cause much more suffering over all and be a negative to many peoples lives. I don't know what I would actually do in such a situation, but it would be very hard to resist.

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I mean, it's obviously cowardice. Why would you do it otherwise? You have two options, keep living, or die. You aren't going to pick die unless that seems like the better option.

Cowardice isn't some horrendous thing, it's the reason most of us survive in the first place.

Same with weakness. It's relative. If you think staying alive is the better choice, but you can't bear it, it is weakness that drives you to suicide. All of us can only take so much though, we all have some degree of weakness. If you think you don't, you just haven't come against something stronger.

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YoukaiSlayer posted...

I mean, it's obviously cowardice. Why would you do it otherwise? You have two options, keep living, or die. You aren't going to pick die unless that seems like the better option.

Cowardice isn't some horrendous thing, it's the reason most of us survive in the first place.

Same with weakness. It's relative. If you think staying alive is the better choice, but you can't bear it, it is weakness that drives you to suicide. All of us can only take so much though, we all have some degree of weakness. If you think you don't, you just haven't come against something stronger.

Because by definition it isn't cowardice.
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Revelation34 posted...

Because by definition it isn't cowardice.

Doing the thing that is less scary is cowardice. You are afraid to keep living through the pain.

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To me it's like taking an early exit
whether you die by your hand or the hand of time the result will feel the same
jus one day when you're older people will be affected less

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YoukaiSlayer posted...

Doing the thing that is less scary is cowardice. You are afraid to keep living through the pain.

Since a lot of people fear death that's not true.
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YoukaiSlayer posted...

I mean, it's obviously cowardice. Why would you do it otherwise?

One of my brothers best mates had a mental breakdown seemingly from out of the blue. His dad however was dying from dementia so that no doubt contributed towards his mental health. His GF called a ambulance and he was submitted to a psychiatric ward. The next day by my understanding he asked one of the staff if he could go out for a walk around the grounds, climbed a high wall and jumped off it. They found his body shortly after. This isn't being a coward at all. This is someone who's simply had enough of life and clearly wasn't thinking straight.

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Its weak if you kill yourself if you do it because your life sucks. Being miserable is a phase. You will break the chains and grow one day. Chapters change even if it takes years of pain. I do not look down on the mentally weak by the way.

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There is a whole different level of being tired. There is being tired of life, to such a degree, that even if something comes along that you could enjoy, that would be fun/enjoyable for most people, or that you could use to be happy again, you just don't have the energy to take advantage of it.

There is a level of tiredness where you don't really taste food anymore, don't really even really notice life passing, and just trudge through each day passing time while using as little energy as possible.

Once you are sick enough to no longer care about embarresment, when your in enough pain to long for sleep, when you can't concentrate enough to remember things, so nothing matters much after it's over. There are lots of reasons to get to a point where life seems meaningless and just an endless toil for no purpose.

Many of those don't go away, and in such a case, a person is not a coward, but is courageous for doing what is best for them, despite the stigma, the bodies natural instincts, and the chance of ending up in a worse situation, with less control.

Right to death should be as strongly supported and protected as the right to life. Nobody should be force to live if they choose not to. Yes, it should be an informed choice and not made suddenly, but if someone has a strong urge to cease existing for 6+ months, that should be an option. We are not at a point where we need to force people to exist for labor, for population expansion etc. If you do not want to continue to exist, you should have the option to cease doing so in a painless and peaceful manner.

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I understand the urge with how dark your mind can go sometimes. Ive definitely been in bad enough places in my life mentally where the thought crossed my mind. But I thought its the selfish way out and its messed up to do to your family and friends.

I know people who killed themselves and their family has never been right since. The pain I see them deal with on a daily basis, 10+ years after is still heartbreaking to see.

wolfy42 posted...

There is a whole different level of being tired. There is being tired of life, to such a degree, that even if something comes along that you could enjoy, that would be fun/enjoyable for most people, or that you could use to be happy again, you just don't have the energy to take advantage of it.

There is a level of tiredness where you don't really taste food anymore, don't really even really notice life passing, and just trudge through each day passing time while using as little energy as possible.

Once you are sick enough to no longer care about embarresment, when your in enough pain to long for sleep, when you can't concentrate enough to remember things, so nothing matters much after it's over. There are lots of reasons to get to a point where life seems meaningless and just an endless toil for no purpose.

Many of those don't go away, and in such a case, a person is not a coward, but is courageous for doing what is best for them, despite the stigma, the bodies natural instincts, and the chance of ending up in a worse situation, with less control.

Right to death should be as strongly supported and protected as the right to life. Nobody should be force to live if they choose not to. Yes, it should be an informed choice and not made suddenly, but if someone has a strong urge to cease existing for 6+ months, that should be an option. We are not at a point where we need to force people to exist for labor, for population expansion etc. If you do not want to continue to exist, you should have the option to cease doing so in a painless and peaceful manner.

Having suicidal thoughts is a phase unless you do it. If youre truly considering suicide then youre mentally at the bottom. It cant get worse. You made it this far why give up on life? Life is a rollercoaster. It will go up eventually. I had a friend who killed himself because his wife cheated on him. I wish he didnt because I know hed be okay today if he was still alive.

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FarmDog posted...

Having suicidal thoughts is a phase unless you do it. If youre truly considering suicide then youre mentally at the bottom. It cant get worse. You made it this far why give up on life? Life is a rollercoaster. It will go up eventually. I had a friend who killed himself because his wife cheated on him. I wish he didnt because I know hed be okay today if he was still alive.

If your living with chronic illness and pain it can quite certainly get worse, in fact you can eventually lose the ability to choose for yourself, be mobile etc. Things don't always bounce back, they don't always get better. Maybe it has for you, maybe it does for many, but you can't be sure that is the case or will be the case for everyone, or that everyone would even care if it did.

Why do people feel the need to dictate if a person should live or not, should that not be up to the individual? I get trying to ensure nobody makes sudden decisions because a GF dumpted them, or they lost a pagent, or got fired from a job etc. That 100% makes sense, but if a person, over a significant period of time, wants to cease to exist, why should we be able to say "No!! You must live!!!"

Life should be lived for a variety of reasons including enjoyment, making a difference in the world, family, accomplishments and growth in a career etc. If those have become.....impossible, and you feel like you can no longer make a positive difference in the world/society etc, if you don't actually have a purpose in life, and are in pain, emotional or otherwise, the choice of your continued existence should be totally and completely up to you, and while I don't think we should encourage others to off themselves, I think creating laws that make it hard for them to do so, locking them up if they attempt it etc, is wrong as well.


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wolfy42 posted...

If your living with chronic illness and pain it can quite certainly get worse, in fact you can eventually lose the ability to choose for yourself, be mobile etc. Things don't always bounce back, they don't always get better. Maybe it has for you, maybe it does for many, but you can't be sure that is the case or will be the case for everyone, or that everyone would even care if it did.

Well yeah, having chronic illness itll get worse over time and suicide should be an option. Preferably assisted suicide if available.

Why do people feel the need to dictate if a person should live or not, should that not be up to the individual? I get trying to ensure nobody makes sudden decisions because a GF dumpted them, or they lost a pagent, or got fired from a job etc. That 100% makes sense, but if a person, over a significant period of time, wants to cease to exist, why should we be able to say "No!! You must live!!!"

Because its a phase even if its for years. When youre at the bottom your mindset is plagued and youre a pessimist. If you keep pushing there will be a spark of light at some point. You have to submit to the misery and roll with it until the spark of light comes.

Life should be lived for a variety of reasons including enjoyment, making a difference in the world, family, accomplishments and growth in a career etc. If those have become.....impossible, and you feel like you can no longer make a positive difference in the world/society etc, if you don't actually have a purpose in life, and are in pain, emotional or otherwise, the choice of your continued existence should be totally and completely up to you, and while I don't think we should encourage others to off themselves, I think creating laws that make it hard for them to do so, locking them up if they attempt it etc, is wrong as well.

Life is different for everyone. You dont have to follow those rules about being successful in life. You dont have to be like everyone else. Its a long complex subject to talk about.


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SamuelLJackdson posted...

I understand the urge with how dark your mind can go sometimes. Ive definitely been in bad enough places in my life mentally where the thought crossed my mind. But I thought its the selfish way out and its messed up to do to your family and friends.

I know people who killed themselves and their family has never been right since. The pain I see them deal with on a daily basis, 10+ years after is still heartbreaking to see.

Damn. Even Samuel L Jackson has to go through it.

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FarmDog posted...

Because its a phase even if its for years. When youre at the bottom your mindset is plagued and youre a pessimist. If you keep pushing there will be a spark of light at some point. You have to submit to the misery and roll with it until the spark of light comes.

People are different. There are some people that suffer from depression and psychological pain that never gets any better.

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Mead posted...

People are different. There are some people that suffer from depression and psychological pain that never gets any better.

Unless you have a legit permanent chemical problem in your brain then medicine should help? If youre depressed because your life sucks then it does get better over time even if its a small percentage. You cant be stuck at 0% forever. Sometimes itll go to 15% and that can mean the world to someone who is miserable and you can possibly grow from that 15%. Ive dealt with untreated depression and ptsd for nearly 20 years and in the last 2 years Ive seen small improvements in my life. I know itll get better in the future regardless of how long. This is just me encouraging the mentally weak. Everyone is different and they handle things differently. I just hope you can toughen up and survive because believe me there is peace at the end of the tunnel. Its still a complex subject.

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FarmDog posted...

Having suicidal thoughts is a phase unless you do it. If youre truly considering suicide then youre mentally at the bottom. It cant get worse. You made it this far why give up on life? Life is a rollercoaster. It will go up eventually. I had a friend who killed himself because his wife cheated on him. I wish he didnt because I know hed be okay today if he was still alive.

How would you know that?
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FarmDog posted...

Unless you have a legit permanent chemical problem in your brain then medicine should help? If youre depressed because your life sucks then it does get better over time even if its a small percentage. You cant be stuck at 0% forever. Sometimes itll go to 15% and that can mean the world to someone who is miserable and you can possibly grow from that 15%. Ive dealt with untreated depression and ptsd for nearly 20 years and in the last 2 years Ive seen small improvements in my life. I know itll get better in the future regardless of how long. This is just me encouraging the mentally weak. Everyone is different and they handle things differently. I just hope you can toughen up and survive because believe me there is peace at the end of the tunnel. Its still a complex subject.

Mead posted...

People are different. There are some people that suffer from depression and psychological pain that never gets any better.

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I think it's a personal choice and I feel sad for people who think it is a viable option for them.

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YoukaiSlayer posted...

Doing the thing that is less scary is cowardice. You are afraid to keep living through the pain.

This is the stupidest statement in this topic so far.
People aren't "afraid of living through pain." They are sick and tired of living through pain, and, for the record, ableists spewing ignorant bullshit at them 24/7 while they're suffering does not alleviate that exhaustion.

FarmDog posted...

Being miserable is a phase.

This is projection. Good to know you get relief. Many do not.

You will break the chains and grow one day. Chapters change even if it takes years of pain.

"Just grow out of your diseases and traumas, guys! Absolutely everyone can do this and if you don't, it's because you're weak! And if you can't, you're supposed to just suck it up that you're going to suffer every day until you die and I want you to live with that suffering as long as possible because if you don't it makes me uncomfortable and to avoid that discomfort I'm going to dehumanize and insult you when you're dead to make myself feel better."

I do not look down on the mentally weak by the way.

Have your cake and eat it too ableism.

FarmDog posted...

Having suicidal thoughts is a phase unless you do it.
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I wish he didnt because I know hed be okay today if he was still alive.

No, it isn't.
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No, you don't know that.

FarmDog posted...

Because its a phase even if its for years.

How many years do they have to suffer before you stop trivializing their suffering, then? 16 years good enough for you? 20? Or will you always project this bullshit onto others?

FarmDog posted...

medicine should help?
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If youre depressed because your life sucks then it does get better over time even if its a small percentage.

I take it back. THIS is the stupidest take in this topic so far.
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People are at the highest risk of suicide BEFORE/AFTER their lowest low, because they still feel the same way, but now they regain their ability to take actions with effort. Cognizant of the fact that they are going to lose that motivation in the future as their condition worsens again, treatment for suicidal ideation INCREASES suicide risk.

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Ableism is discrimination against the mentally disabled.
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I thought about it during 2020 more then I ever have, mostly because I felt like no one wanted me romantically or physically.

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Relating to the last few posts, I think that modern day living in the developed world is a big contributor to depression. Having all the comforts that most have at their fingertips can be pretty detrimental for those trying to pull themselves out of a hole. It's easy to just keep sitting on the couch watching Netflix or staring at your phone while eating taco bell and chugging a 6 pack. This isn't intended to blame anyone struggling with depression. Just saying that it makes it that much harder to take steps to pull yourself out when you're surrounded by little dopamine inducers

Revelation34 posted...

Ableism is discrimination against the mentally disabled.

... and physically disabled and neurodivergent. Unless you are suggesting that people who use wheelchairs or with autism do not experience ableism.

Also, PTSD, Depression, etc... are disabling conditions. This isn't controversial.

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don't do it

Im talking about the generic majority of why people are depressed. Im not talking about the hardcore traumatic people or people with legit brain problems. Being miserable is a phase if youre part of the generic majority. If youre free in the real world and you can make your own decisions then you shouldnt kill yourself because it will get better over time. You can grow from this or that. You can cope with this or that better. This is just how I view it because when I was being heavily abused I had no freedom or choice. I couldnt better myself. When I saw people online complaining about their life and how their life sucks and theyre depressed and everything - I said to myself but you are free!. I wish I was free in the real world. I wasnt, I was being controlled and abused everyday suffering. You can better yourself if you can make your own decisions. You can cope and understand better things about yourself through time. I personally never took medicine or gone to any therapists or anything. Im not sure if thatll help people but if it does then go for it. Again, Im talking about the majority of reasons why people are depressed and kill themselves. I think they should hold on longer because I know itll get better. And Im not hating on anyone thats depressed or suicidal. I havent recovered myself but I cope better and I know how to do things better.

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FarmDog posted...

I said to myself but you are free!

Definitely not always that simple though

I'm not stupid-friendly, and for an otherwise healthy person, killing yourself to resolve a problem is just about the stupidest thing you can do.

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Shadowbird_RH posted...

I'm not stupid-friendly, and for an otherwise healthy person, killing yourself to resolve a problem is just about the stupidest thing you can do.

It solves the problem.

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