Poll of the Day > What are your thoughts on suicide?

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Why?

It's not for me. It goes against my goal of immortality.

I can understand euthanasia if suffering. Not sure what else I can add.

It is my most frequently recurring intrusive thought, which is very unproductive.

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I usually not for it...
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Why what?
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stupid
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I don't care.

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It's painless.

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Apparently, Satan is different from mortals in that he has the option to end his eternal suffering by permanently dying, but he chooses not to just because he knows he has the option to go out.

I don't know why but that story speaks to me probably more than any happy pep talk. It did more when I believed in that stuff, but still.

Also idk how Satan keeps getting out of hell that seems like a plot hole, he might as well just live his life as a snake.

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Totally depends on the situation.

If someone is young or going through momentarily turmoil I hope they get help because they probably have some quality life still ahead of them and it would be a shame for them to lose that.

If someone is suffering though and theres no hope for things to get better for them, then I dont think anyone should compel them to hold on if they would rather just let go.

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I've been thinking about it more lately. Not as much as I use to, but more than I was.
As for why, I've just been feeling like nothing is worth the effort I put into it.

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Assisted suicide should be legalized for terminally ill people.

None of us asked to be here, so...

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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

As for why, I've just been feeling like nothing is worth the effort I put into it.

Try new stuff. You never know maybe youll find something that gives you passion for life.

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I think that people always go through their own thing throughout life, so finding out that someone from my high school committed suicide didn't faze me in the slightest. People are always going to go through hardships in life.

Now, to be fair. Peoples hardships and depression wouldn't be so bad if they did these things:

Eat Healthy
Not eat fast food
Exercise everyday
Eat breakfast everyday
Get 8 hours of sleep a night

Considering that most people only do about 2 of those things everyday, its no surprise that the suicide rate is so high in America.

But again, like that topic I posted a while ago, suicide rates would drop if Climate Change wasn't a thing.

Ehh I get it, I was suicidal in my teen years so I won't look down on people that do go through with it, but I do think it's really sad.

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thedeerzord posted...

But again, like that topic I posted a while ago, suicide rates would drop if Climate Change wasn't a thing.

Wow you're really dismissive and condescending to depressed people

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Yellow posted...

Wow you're really dismissive and condescending to depressed people

How so?

I've been suicidal before, much like a lot of people.

And while I do have some depressive episodes from time to time, I am relatively a stoic person.

Although I would be happier if Climate Change was stopped.

Sorry I snapped, I've just heard the list of things that are supposed to help depression and they don't work for me at all.

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Its killer, man.

zebatov posted...

None of us asked to be here, so...

Speak for yourself.

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zebatov posted...

None of us asked to be here, so...

If you don't like it fuck off then.

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I get the mentality behind the act having been there myself but the old saying of you're just transferring your hurt onto other people is valid.

I read some thread where people talked about family members that killed themselves and it brutalized the families, none of them really recovered.


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I always thought it was kind of selfish, but Ive also never been in a position where I legitimately wished I wasnt alive so thats not really fair for me to say.

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Pro choice here. If someone confides in me that they are thinking about it, I will try to talk them out of it though. Im not too fond of people sometimes, but this world would be more boring without them.

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I think in many instances it's a waste and probably could've been avoided. In other instances, I kinda get it or see it as better than some alternatives (I.E: I'd rather be dead than a bum).

Everyone is different. Someone can go through something little and theyll consider suicide and someone else can go through something big and not be suicidal. I think being miserable is a phase. You will break the chains one day and grow. Assisted suicide is okay if you have a bad disease and in physical pain.

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I can't fathom the kind of mental carnage that must be going on upstairs to make a person feel the want, the need to do it; to be so destructive, (and with especially those with loved ones) so selfish...

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thedeerzord posted...

I think that people always go through their own thing throughout life, so finding out that someone from my high school committed suicide didn't faze me in the slightest. People are always going to go through hardships in life.

Now, to be fair. Peoples hardships and depression wouldn't be so bad if they did these things:

Eat Healthy
Not eat fast food
Exercise everyday
Eat breakfast everyday
Get 8 hours of sleep a night

Considering that most people only do about 2 of those things everyday, its no surprise that the suicide rate is so high in America.

But again, like that topic I posted a while ago, suicide rates would drop if Climate Change wasn't a thing.

We get it, @SunWuKung420.
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Physician-assisted suicide should be destigmatized and more readily available. My aunt, who was terminally ill, went through the whole approval process of it only for her doctor to block her because of his own religious beliefs. So she tried to kill herself at home alone instead and failed. That was fun.

I've struggled with suicidal ideation since I was eight. There's nothing selfish about losing a fight you never asked for. It's just sad.

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Having dealt with a fair amount of suicidal people, it's almost always a result of temporary emotional instability that pushes them to actually wanna go through with it. I'm very much against making any long term decision when you're thoughts are compromised. It's much rarer for people to calmly reason that it's their best choice. Additionally, a lot of people don't really want to die, they just want some form of suffering to stop and see death as the only way because their thoughts have warped their perception of probability (ie: I can never be happy, I'll never be good enough, things will ALWAYS get worse, nothing will ever feel worth it again).

I'm not really sure why but a lot of people place WAY too much faith in their own emotions and the way things feel at the moment. They trust all their own thoughts for some reason.

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It's cowardly, shameful and self-centered, while there are legitimate reasons for it like terminal illness and such there is otherwise never an excuse to do it.

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thedeerzord posted...

Eat Healthy
Not eat fast food
Exercise everyday
Eat breakfast everyday
Get 8 hours of sleep a night

Eh, that sound like a lot of effort for something I'm already not that enthused about.

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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

Eh, that sound like a lot of effort for something I'm already not that enthused about.

Yes, but you would live longer, and be more happy as a result.

Its totally worth it if you learn to control yourself and do all of those things

thedeerzord posted...

but you would live longer

Oh, I thought we were discussing the opposite of that.

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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

Oh, I thought we were discussing the opposite of that.

I was just explaining the benefits

I dealt with suicidal thoughts/ideation for a number of years, but would never personally follow through. I know that death is not going to solve what pains me. I don't prefer death to life. Life can be infinitely painful, but preferable to death. That being said, my life has never been inescapably awful. Even with awful friends that treated me horribly, few to speak to about my genuine feelings and a soul crushing job, there was enough to keep me going. I understand why it seems like the only way out for some people though. I just hope those people can find the courage to reach out to talk about it with others. So many people have been there too and come out the other side stronger. So please, reach out.

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Had this account for 18 years, not worth it.

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YoukaiSlayer posted...

Having dealt with a fair amount of suicidal people, it's almost always a result of temporary emotional instability that pushes them to actually wanna go through with it. I'm very much against making any long term decision when you're thoughts are compromised. It's much rarer for people to calmly reason that it's their best choice. Additionally, a lot of people don't really want to die, they just want some form of suffering to stop and see death as the only way because their thoughts have warped their perception of probability (ie: I can never be happy, I'll never be good enough, things will ALWAYS get worse, nothing will ever feel worth it again).

I'm not really sure why but a lot of people place WAY too much faith in their own emotions and the way things feel at the moment. They trust all their own thoughts for some reason.

This is a great way to put it. Although I've been in very depressed states for upwards of a year or two, I still somehow had the ability to emotionally detach myself and look at it somewhat rationally. I have lived with someone (white male, mid 20s) who would cry, yell, and threaten that 'tonight is the night'. That was really fucked to experience. I also think it's really nuts that people can't say "I can see this isn't the best time to be having this discussion, can we leave it until tomorrow?" when emotions are running high. But at the same time, I fully understand it...most people want the/a confrontation to happen immediately.

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JigsawTDC posted...

Why?

I've never had clinical depression. Certainly not enough to take my own life or even think about doing that. My own death actually scares me. I'd never take my own life as I feel I'm lucky to even be here. Not only due to my own experiences and my fear of death but because someone close to me lost their life due to cancer at a young age. They never had a choice. With that said I've known someone who has took his own life at a young age and I only wish they got the help they needed before they felt that way. He's left behind a lot and it's just unfortunate it turned out that way.

FourthDimension posted...

Assisted suicide should be legalized for terminally ill people.

Oh I also support this.

thedeerzord posted...

Now, to be fair. Peoples hardships and depression wouldn't be so bad if they did these things:

Eat Healthy
Not eat fast food
Exercise everyday
Eat breakfast everyday
Get 8 hours of sleep a night

So you understand nothing. Got it.

thedeerzord posted...

I've been suicidal before, much like a lot of people.

Then why post such a blanket statement?

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thedeerzord posted...

I think that people always go through their own thing throughout life, so finding out that someone from my high school committed suicide didn't faze me in the slightest. People are always going to go through hardships in life.

Now, to be fair. Peoples hardships and depression wouldn't be so bad if they did these things:

Eat Healthy
Not eat fast food
Exercise everyday
Eat breakfast everyday
Get 8 hours of sleep a night

Considering that most people only do about 2 of those things everyday, its no surprise that the suicide rate is so high in America.

But again, like that topic I posted a while ago, suicide rates would drop if Climate Change wasn't a thing.

Damn. I like your super-progressive take with the last sentence! For real.

But like everyone else has said, some people can push all of those 'solutions' to their limit and still receive no relief. Maybe your statement is correct. But IDK how helpful it is.

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I can usually understand why many people would commit suicide, especially when I have been suicidal in the past. Twice I had plans for suicide, but both times something happened to foil my plans. People who are suicidal usually need support and encouragement to live.

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aHappySacka posted...

It's cowardly, shameful and self-centered, while there are legitimate reasons for it like terminal illness and such there is otherwise never an excuse to do it.

It is an insidious notion that there is a noteworthy distinction between being expected to live with chronic physical pain and being expected to live with chronic psychological pain that makes one more legitimate than the other. This idea is not supported by science and indeed there is research that outright contradicts it. You're just wrong. Terminal depression is a physical illness because illnesses of the mind ARE illnesses of the body.

As for cowardly? You either believe pain is a valid reason to want to end one's life or you don't. My aunt was not a coward because she wanted to die. Overriding survival instincts is not something cowardice plays any part in. It's usually the opposite; fear of death will stay a sufferer's hand, though not indefinitely as your condition deteriorates.

Self-centered? Well, let's look at the main reasons people commit suicide, then:

They're in pain. We already covered this.

Trauma. Wow, how selfish of them to be traumatized. Fuck those people, amirite? Socioeconomic factors such as financial or social ruin (abuse, or familial rejection, for example). This is just a more specific variant on trauma.

They believe they're a burden/the world is better off without them. Huh, that's literally the opposite of selfishness. *

They are experiencing some sort of delusion/hallucination/compulsion. No selfishness there.

They are experiencing some sort of religious/philosophical crisis regarding either life, death, or sin (for example, if you tell a child that children aren't responsible for their sins until they come of age, you've inadvertently taught that child that they are best off killing themselves before they grow to adulthood in order to avoid Hell). Not as common, but this has nothing to do with whether or not the person is self-centered and more to do with the person's upbringing or religious environment.

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Really, it seems to me like you just want to piss on people who are suffering to make yourself feel better.

* I've literally seen people say shit like what you just said in one breath and then in the next say the world is better off without them anyway. This attitude is literally part of the problem. I don't know why the fuck so many people think that treating dead people like shit for killing themselves will somehow encourage those who struggle with suicidal ideation to not do so. It has the opposite effect, because you are invalidating their pain and showing them that you are not someone they can trust with it.

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Unless its euthanasia type then its an act of base cowardice.

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Conner4REAL posted...

Unless its euthanasia type then its an act of base cowardice.

Cowardice? Seriously? So someone that has suffered the pain of chronic depression or PTSD for decades needs to just tough it out for another 20-30 years or however long they live and suffer just so that folks like you will likely judge them dismissively for some other reason

Anyone that contemplates suicide, I sincerely hope they reach out and get whatever help they need. But think about how much pain a person has to be in to feel that ending their life seems the better outcome. Eating and breathing every day does not make you brave or courageous, and someone ending their life may be a tragedy but it doesnt make them a coward either simply because they didnt put their head down and trudge through pain.

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It's a very complicated topic. I tend to be against it, and don't want to see anyone pursue that path. I do understand it though, and in some instances I've been at peace with it.

One example of where I was at peace with it is my great uncle deciding to take that path when he found out he had stage 4 cancer and there was nothing that could be done. He didn't want to suffer the remaining time he had left and have his brothers and sisters have to take care of him knowing how hard that would be on them. It's a terrible situation but I understand it.

On the reverse of that though, my wife unfortunately deals with thoughts endlessly on it. She has been through hell, and also deals with a mental illness, so to her it's a daily fight. She feels powerless and like her life is non stop pain, and she takes pleasure in thinking on how she could end that suffering and it makes her feel less powerless. I never want to see her go through with it though. It might be selfish of me but I just never want to lose her.

I understand why people do it and I do not judge them for it.

Would NEVER even consider the option, myself.

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Mead posted...

Cowardice? Seriously? So someone that has suffered the pain of chronic depression or PTSD for decades needs to just tough it out for another 20-30 years or however long they live and suffer just so that folks like you will likely judge them dismissively for some other reason

Anyone that contemplates suicide, I sincerely hope they reach out and get whatever help they need. But think about how much pain a person has to be in to feel that ending their life seems the better outcome. Eating and breathing every day does not make you brave or courageous, and someone ending their life may be a tragedy but it doesnt make them a coward either simply because they didnt put their head down and trudge through pain.

no its because they didnt sack up and either deal with it or get help and deal with it. But making the decision of suicide is cowardice no matter how you slice it. That is 1000x more true today than it was decades ago because there are more rescources and more easily available rescources.

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Conner4REAL posted...

no its because they didnt sack up and either deal with it or get help and deal with it. But making the decision of suicide is cowardice no matter how you slice it. That is 1000x more true today than it was decades ago because there are more rescources and more easily available rescources.

Thats a really shitty view

Not everyone can be helped by treatment and resources. You havent lived any life other than your own, so you dont know what kind of experience some people have had to suffer through. Thinking that some people need to simply tough it out really dismisses the amount of pain some people struggle with, and I dont just mean physical pain.

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TC... I can go into extreme detail what its like for me but Ill instead just offer some cliff notes on what its like from someone who suffers from suicidal idealization here. For me and my experience with dealing with it, has been a total nightmare almost every god damn week because I deal with severe depression as well. With that being said, one day I might be really happy. The best I ever felt in my life. But the next day or hell, even the next hour Ill feel suicidal. Yeah..it fucking sucks how drastic my feelings would change in an instant. There were only ever two times I was hospitalized for being suicidal because I felt confused on what to do. And honestly? They didn't even do much...

I mean, what can they do honestly? Hand you a few papers to other resources and you become someone else's problem along the way for someone else to sort out? Yeah, its also like that.. I even had one doctor asked me "What can we do for you?" And im like...fuck dude... this is like my second time here, and how can I possibly answer that shit? You are the doctor. And I have issues with how hospitals treat people like me that are like that. : / When you are feeling suicidal... its like the entire world stops around you. You have no perception on what it real anymore and you inch that much closer to actually doing it. I wouldn't wish this shit on anyone who had dealt with severe trauma like a brother molesting you for starters. And then having it tear your life apart because he ingrained it into your brain that he said not to tell anyone. But I did.. to my psychologist who I talk to a few times a week and honestly, Im glad I at least have that.

Edit: Oh, and to those people that say "Just tough it out" and being "Being Cowardice". You get an extra special fuck you by the way. This shit is fucking painful to deal with!
And yes, I have been getting help. But that pain will never feel like it goes away no matter how many drugs they give you, or how many therapy sessions you go to, when you have no idea how bad of an impact it made on my life and to many others who dealt a bad hand in life. To stare into the face of a brother who molested me and try to fake a dumb ass smile pretending like it never happened while I was growing up.

Conner4REAL posted...

But making the decision of suicide is cowardice no matter how you slice it.

You can simply fuck right off with that ignorance.

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