Poll of the Day > Elon Musk is so epic!!!!

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I've always been saying the most evil thing about billionaires is that they don't like memes or 420 69 jokes enough, and finally he proved there are good billionaires out there!

xDDDD

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Ya, Elon Musk is a cool guy....

Bad at science tho

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Elon Musk is what happens when a software engineer thinks they're a scientist.

In software, you generally think of a goal you want to accomplish, and that goal can be basically as ambitious as you want it to be, and you'll get it done with enough man hours. With science, you don't have a goal, you just slowly improve out the existing technologies we have.

Elon Musk gives himself a goal and attempts to reach it by putting enough man hours in, whether that goal is a space elevator, a rocket taxi, a vacuum tube subway, but he doesn't actually care if what he's doing is physically possible. He goes, "oh I just need to make it physically possible", but technology advancement is less about ambitious ideas and more about finding chemical reactions in a lab that engineers can use to their advantage in ways they hadn't even thought about.

All his ideas are crippled by very fundamental concepts. "Steel rusts", or "tunnels are very expensive to build", or "steel isn't as powerful as you need it to be for this", which is ultimately the reason 90% of his ideas have not been done.

But he's good at getting state grants and wasting tax dollars on projects that won't work.

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Yellow posted...

Elon Musk is what happens when a software engineer thinks they're a scientist.

In software, you generally think of a goal you want to accomplish, and that goal can be basically as ambitious as you want it to be, and you'll get it done with enough man hours. With science, you don't have a goal, you just slowly improve out the existing technologies we have.

Elon Musk gives himself a goal and attempts to reach it by putting enough man hours in, whether that goal is a space elevator, a rocket taxi, a vacuum tube subway, but he doesn't actually care if what he's doing is physically possible. He goes, "oh I just need to make it physically possible", but technology advancement is less about ambitious ideas and more about finding chemical reactions in a lab that engineers can use to their advantage in ways they hadn't even thought about.

All his ideas are crippled by very fundamental concepts. "Steel rusts", or "tunnels are very expensive to build", or "steel isn't as powerful as you need it to be for this", which is ultimately the reason 90% of his ideas have not been done.

But he's good at getting state grants and wasting tax dollars on projects that won't work.

Wow cool wall of text bro, what have you done to help humanity??? Imagine trying to explain this shit when you have zero cars in space lmao

GrabASnickers posted...

Wow cool wall of text bro, what have you done to help humanity??? Imagine trying to explain this shit when you have zero cars in space lmao

I haven't done a space elevator flying cars or a hyperloop.

But neither has Elon Musk. He runs a luxury car company and paypal.

The problem isn't that he fails, it's that he fails while ignoring basic engineering principles in ways you would not expect such a rich person to do. It's very amusing to educated people, but lay people looove him. And I wouldn't call myself educated, I just follow scientists and engineers social media. They also love him, but in a different way.

It's mostly his money he wastes, so it's not that I hate him or anything.

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Yellow posted...

But neither has Elon Musk. He runs a luxury car company and paypal.

SpaceX is neither of those things

Hes largely responsible for revitalizing interest into space travel, so hes good in my book even if I dont agree with some of the stuff he says or does

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elon musk is a little piss baby

He likes anime.
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I'm gonna be honest, I love science but I think space travel is a huge waste of money. Do we really need to try to colonize space or harvest materials from it? Maybe if there was an extremely slow moving asteroid that was harvestable near our planet with ridiculous mineral deposits that are very rare on earth or if some of these rare deposits were harvested from the moon in a way that's actually profitable.

I think science as a whole needs to advance a lot more before we try anything with space. Looking forward to the James Webb telescope.

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I like the idea of colonizing other planets 100%. As much as humans screw things up when moneyed interests grow a mind of their own, I don't hate the idea of making more humans.

It's just at this moment in time, we need a power source breakthrough that we don't have, which is why Musk can't colonize Mars. If people get to Mars with our current technology, it will be a living hell.

That's basically every how Elon pipe dream ends. "The technology isn't here yet"

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Zedonra posted...

Do we really need to try to colonize space or harvest materials from it?

absolutely

its our only hope really in a lot of ways

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Mead posted...

absolutely

its our only hope really in a lot of ways

Yeah but within the next 100 years?

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I still can't get over that weird name that he named his child

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I'd respect billionaires a lot more if they didn't just sit around getting richer and stripmining economies. I want a fucking paramilitary with a volcano island and attack choppers and stuff, like Cobra.

Or, you know, just paying ethical taxes and wages.

People ITT are so so so salty about Elon musk lmaooo

Please tell me more about how you know better than Elon musk lmao

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Zedonra posted...

Yeah but within the next 100 years?

yeah

what we have going isnt exactly sustainable

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Yellow posted...

I haven't done a space elevator flying cars or a hyperloop.

But neither has Elon Musk. He runs a luxury car company and paypal.

The problem isn't that he fails, it's that he fails while ignoring basic engineering principles in ways you would not expect such a rich person to do. It's very amusing to educated people, but lay people looove him. And I wouldn't call myself educated, I just follow scientists and engineers social media. They also love him, but in a different way.

It's mostly his money he wastes, so it's not that I hate him or anything.

He still runs paypal? Thought he sold that a while ago?

FatalAccident posted...

People ITT are so so so salty about Elon musk lmaooo

Please tell me more about how you know better than Elon musk lmao

This!!!!

FatalAccident posted...

People ITT are so so so salty about Elon musk lmaooo

Please tell me more about how you know better than Elon musk lmao

It's really funny how much people (of a certain political persuasion typically) seem to despise him so much more than other billionaires that are far more deserving of vitriol

If you could rate billionaire villainy on a scale of 1-10, he's pretty close to a 1

Yellow posted...

I like the idea of colonizing other planets 100%. As much as humans screw things up when moneyed interests grow a mind of their own, I don't hate the idea of making more humans.

It's just at this moment in time, we need a power source breakthrough that we don't have, which is why Musk can't colonize Mars. If people get to Mars with our current technology, it will be a living hell.

That's basically every how Elon pipe dream ends. "The technology isn't here yet"

Yeah, I never got the let's colonize Mars because Earth will be too f-ed up crowd. I mean as bad as climate change can get on Earth at least we have a climate to change. Mars is pretty much a frozen, irradiated rock with practically no atmosphere. It does not solve any problems, heck I don't even know if our bodies can handle the lower g's for a prolonged period of time without developing issues. It just seems to be some type of libertarian fantasy where they can live on Mars away from the strong arms of Earth governments more than a practical reality.

OhhhJa posted...

It's really funny how much people (of a certain political persuasion typically) seem to despise him so much more than other billionaires that are far more deserving of vitriol

If you could rate billionaire villainy on a scale of 1-10, he's pretty close to a 1

I figured they were always big Thuderf00t fans.

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Its really funny to me that Elon is married to an actual celebrity, which seems like a fun supervillain character backstory, but hes about as boring as you can get when you look past the shitty things hes done to increase his own wealth.

Who honestly wants to be either of these people besides nerds on the internet?

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I just wish electric cars could go about 1000 miles before recharging. I dont know of ANY recharging stations in this area.

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PK_Spam posted...

Its really funny to me that Elon is married to an actual celebrity, which seems like a fun supervillain character backstory, but hes about as boring as you can get when you look past the shitty things hes done to increase his own wealth.

Who honestly wants to be either of these people besides nerds on the internet?

So nothing at all?
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Revelation34 posted...

So nothing at all?

He stopped Tesla employees from unionizing, for example.

And I believed he referred some sort of Navy Seal in another country as a pedophile

And the picture that I just posted earlier

Also the fact that him and Bezos have have received a total of 217 billion dollars, enough to send 100,000,000 Americans 2,000 stimulus checks.

PK_Spam posted...

Who honestly wants to be either of these people besides nerds on the internet?

do people want to be them?

I think everybody should probably remain themselves

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OhhhJa posted...

It's really funny how much people (of a certain political persuasion typically) seem to despise him so much more than other billionaires that are far more deserving of vitriol

If you could rate billionaire villainy on a scale of 1-10, he's pretty close to a 1

Going to break character and say you sound like you have no idea what you're talking about. First of all, most of the people who dislike Elon aren't exactly fans of any other billionaires either. And if he does receive more ire it's a reaction to all the praise he gets. People act like he's some huge benefit to humanity but he just throws a bunch of pie in the sky ideas at the wall and people eat it up. But they usually fold under even the most basic of scrutiny and either never come to fruition or end up being nothing like the initial promise.

Lots of billionaires do evil shit, yes, but like Apple, Microsoft, Amazon... these are useful products. I'd even argue Twitter and Facebook despite that I generally have a much more negative opinion of those. Paypal is useful but it's low on the list of Elon things people even care about. Tesla has a miniscule market share and is priced at luxury levels, it's not that useful to average people. SpaceX? Lol. For all the hype over private space exploration they get a ton of government handouts and work with nasa a lot anyway.

And of course, Elon does a ton of evil shit too btw

GrabASnickers posted...

Going to break character

lol

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What Elon Musk doesn't realize in his quest to colonize and terraform Mars, is that while building colonies and domed cities might be a viable way to colonize the planet, he's not gonna get past that since terraforming Mars is physically impossible due to the lack of Carbon Dioxide, and more importantly the lack of a good magnetosphere, which allows the planet to be pounded by solar radiation and storms that constantly hits the surface. Which, even now, is being stripped away by the suns solar storms.

I understand putting bases and and small cities on Mars so humanity can have other places to launch rockets and such, but economically, Mars isn't gonna offer much more that. Mars wont be a earth-like prosperous world like we see in science fiction. Its simply flat out physically impossible.

Just trying to get to mars will incentivize a huge wealth of innovation

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thedeerzord posted...

What Elon Musk doesn't realize in his quest to colonize and terraform Mars, is that while building colonies and domed cities might be a viable way to colonize the planet, he's not gonna get past that since terraforming Mars is physically impossible due to the lack of Carbon Dioxide, and more importantly the lack of a good magnetosphere, which allows the planet to be pounded by solar radiation and storms that constantly hits the surface. Which, even now, is being stripped away by the suns solar storms.

I understand putting bases and and small cities on Mars so humanity can have other places to launch rockets and such, but economically, Mars isn't gonna offer much more that. Mars wont be a earth-like prosperous world like we see in science fiction. Its simply flat out physically impossible.

I don't think his ideas really even need that level of scrutiny. To scrutinize them imply that he actually cares about colonizing Mars or solving the climate crisis or whatever bullshit. All he really wants to do is make more money, and he's got a pretty solid grift going of pretending to be the world's foremost innovator, having a bunch of people eat it up to boost his profile, then securing a ton of government funding to waste

GrabASnickers posted...

Going to break character and say you sound like you have no idea what you're talking about. First of all, most of the people who dislike Elon aren't exactly fans of any other billionaires either. And if he does receive more ire it's a reaction to all the praise he gets. People act like he's some huge benefit to humanity but he just throws a bunch of pie in the sky ideas at the wall and people eat it up. But they usually fold under even the most basic of scrutiny and either never come to fruition or end up being nothing like the initial promise.

Lots of billionaires do evil shit, yes, but like Apple, Microsoft, Amazon... these are useful products. I'd even argue Twitter and Facebook despite that I generally have a much more negative opinion of those. Paypal is useful but it's low on the list of Elon things people even care about. Tesla has a miniscule market share and is priced at luxury levels, it's not that useful to average people. SpaceX? Lol. For all the hype over private space exploration they get a ton of government handouts and work with nasa a lot anyway.

How many tweets did you read this in before you decided to regurgitate it as your own opinion. I've just seen these talking points and buzzwords thrown around so much that it's obvious you didn't form these opinions yourself. They were molded by social media loudmouths. Are many of these talking points true? Sure. Elon Musk does have a lot of ideas that are more sci fi than reality. He also has many practical ideas that have seen real world success.

My opinion of him is fairly neutral but broadcasting your hate of him is like saying nickelback sucks at this point. It's a cringy attempt at an edgy take that seems like you're posting it to get back people to give you likes or whatever on social media

GrabASnickers posted...

And of course, Elon does a ton of evil shit too btw

Are you over 15 years old?

Yep I'm trying to get likes on social media which is why I made a topic about it on gamefaqs.

Correct I am in some way parroting opinions I've seen before, which I perceived to be formed largely on facts. Nothing can be perfect, but what do you do to formulate opinions? Do you personally follow Elon around and go visit his companies to see the day to day? I bet you're one of those people who likes to say "I do my own research" which really means "I find a source that's more to my biases when I'm scared my worldview is being exposed"

thedeerzord posted...

He stopped Tesla employees from unionizing, for example.

And I believed he referred some sort of Navy Seal in another country as a pedophile

And the picture that I just posted earlier

Also the fact that him and Bezos have have received a total of 217 billion dollars, enough to send 100,000,000 Americans 2,000 stimulus checks.

The second example has nothing to do with wealth.

thedeerzord posted...

What Elon Musk doesn't realize in his quest to colonize and terraform Mars, is that while building colonies and domed cities might be a viable way to colonize the planet, he's not gonna get past that since terraforming Mars is physically impossible due to the lack of Carbon Dioxide, and more importantly the lack of a good magnetosphere, which allows the planet to be pounded by solar radiation and storms that constantly hits the surface. Which, even now, is being stripped away by the suns solar storms.

I understand putting bases and and small cities on Mars so humanity can have other places to launch rockets and such, but economically, Mars isn't gonna offer much more that. Mars wont be a earth-like prosperous world like we see in science fiction. Its simply flat out physically impossible.

It's science fiction. There's no actual proof that it is physically impossible since we don't know how technology will be in the far future.

GrabASnickers posted...

and he's got a pretty solid grift going of pretending to be the world's foremost innovator, having a bunch of people eat it up to boost his profile, then securing a ton of government funding to waste

Sounds like a conspiracy theory.
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GrabASnickers posted...

Yep I'm trying to get likes on social media which is why I made a topic about it on gamefaqs.

And tried way too hard to be funny and instead it was super cringe.

GrabASnickers posted...

Correct I am in some way parroting opinions I've seen before

Well, at least you're owning that fact

GrabASnickers posted...

Nothing can be perfect, but what do you do to formulate opinions?

A combination of many different factors that isn't boiled down to reading angry tweets

GrabASnickers posted...

Do you personally follow Elon around and go visit his companies to see the day to day?

I somehow doubt he would allow that even if I didn't have my own life to attend to

GrabASnickers posted...

I bet you're one of those people who likes to say "I do my own research" which really means "I find a source that's more to my biases when I'm scared my worldview is being exposed"

This seems an awful lot like projection. But I do find it laughable that you would put someone down for doing research while admitting you formed your opinion by merely reading other people's opinions

Revelation34 posted...

It's science fiction. There's no actual proof that it is physically impossible since we don't know how technology will be in the far future.

Yes there is

Mars does not have enough CO2 to terraform the planet.

And even if you COULD, the atmosphere will just stripped away due and swept into space due to the lack of a magnetosphere.

You would literally have to have technology that can bend planets to our wills, so that we can do things like make it have earthlike gravity, and earthlike magnetosphere. And we are thousands of years away from that technology.

thedeerzord posted...

Yes there is

Mars does not have enough CO2 to terraform the planet.

And even if you COULD, the atmosphere will just stripped away due and swept into space due to the lack of a magnetosphere.

You would literally have to have technology that can bend planets to our wills, so that we can do things like make it have earthlike gravity, and earthlike magnetosphere. And we are thousands of years away from that technology.

Nice oxymoron.
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Yellow posted...

In software, you generally think of a goal you want to accomplish, and that goal can be basically as ambitious as you want it to be, and you'll get it done with enough man hours. With science, you don't have a goal, you just slowly improve out the existing technologies we have.

You can have a goal in science >_> And lots of scientists have goals. The idea that science can't have goals is patently ridiculous.

Zedonra posted...

I'm gonna be honest, I love science but I think space travel is a huge waste of money. Do we really need to try to colonize space or harvest materials from it? Maybe if there was an extremely slow moving asteroid that was harvestable near our planet with ridiculous mineral deposits that are very rare on earth or if some of these rare deposits were harvested from the moon in a way that's actually profitable.

I think science as a whole needs to advance a lot more before we try anything with space. Looking forward to the James Webb telescope.

Space travel is literally the only thing that may someday save the human race. And you often have to build a technology out before you can find a way to make it profitable. You use the example of rare materials, but unless you're doing the exploration you're not going to know these materials exist. And, for that matter, you might not always see the function of a material when you first discover it.

Yellow posted...

That's basically every how Elon pipe dream ends. "The technology isn't here yet"

Technology generally evolves fastest when it's trying to meet needs.

DragonClaw01 posted...

Yeah, I never got the let's colonize Mars because Earth will be too f-ed up crowd. I mean as bad as climate change can get on Earth at least we have a climate to change. Mars is pretty much a frozen, irradiated rock with practically no atmosphere. It does not solve any problems, heck I don't even know if our bodies can handle the lower g's for a prolonged period of time without developing issues. It just seems to be some type of libertarian fantasy where they can live on Mars away from the strong arms of Earth governments more than a practical reality.

Okay, imagine tomorrow that we learn that the Earth will be hit by an asteroid twice the size of the one that ended the Cretaceous period. What happens? If you have colonization, you can get people off-world and everybody already off-world is fine. If you don't have colonization, humanity could be entirely wiped out.

Colonization is an absolute necessity when it comes to the preservation of the human race.

PK_Spam posted...

Its really funny to me that Elon is married to an actual celebrity, which seems like a fun supervillain character backstory,

...what?


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You're putting words in my mouth at this point, dude. All I'm saying is I'm not going to go around acting like some sort of "free thinker" like you seem to think you are. You realize that most of humans' knowledge is formed by information they pass along from other people, right? You can get a lot out of observation but when it comes to stuff like this, you and I both only have access to secondary and tertiary sources. So it really annoys me when people try to act like they know a lot when they're all dipping into the same pool, just from different ends.

As for colonizing Mars or whatever, I'm not going to say it's impossible, but if we were able to ever do that, certainly we could invest our time and money and brainpower into much better things. And it fails to address the root problem that a lot of our existential threats are a result of mankind's own greed and hubris; what is to stop us from falling victim to that on a future home? Even in the case of something natural like an asteroid it's going to be much more practical to find a way to mitigate that risk while staying on earth rather than try to move populations tens of millions of miles.

I'm all for space exploration but not for throwing all of our faith into ideas that aren't going to come into fruition and fail to address many other problems we face

GrabASnickers posted...

You're putting words in my mouth at this point, dude. All I'm saying is I'm not going to go around acting like some sort of "free thinker" like you seem to think you are. You realize that most of humans' knowledge is formed by information they pass along from other people, right? You can get a lot out of observation but when it comes to stuff like this, you and I both only have access to secondary and tertiary sources. So it really annoys me when people try to act like they know a lot when they're all dipping into the same pool, just from different ends.

As for colonizing Mars or whatever, I'm not going to say it's impossible, but if we were able to ever do that, certainly we could invest our time and money and brainpower into much better things. And it fails to address the root problem that a lot of our existential threats are a result of mankind's own greed and hubris; what is to stop us from falling victim to that on a future home? Even in the case of something natural like an asteroid it's going to be much more practical to find a way to mitigate that risk while staying on earth rather than try to move populations tens of millions of miles.

I'm all for space exploration but not for throwing all of our faith into ideas that aren't going to come into fruition and fail to address many other problems we face

There are countless planets out there. So humans will just move on to other worlds after ruining those.
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GrabASnickers posted...

You're putting words in my mouth at this point, dude. All I'm saying is I'm not going to go around acting like some sort of "free thinker" like you seem to think you are

This is not about being a free thinker. You're the one who said I didn't know what I was talking about. I'm just calling out your take for what it is. Derivative and unnecessary. Your take is about as hot as me being like, "did you guys know apple runs slave factories in China?!" If you're gonna shit on an easy target at least give me something everyone hasn't heard a million times already

GrabASnickers posted...

As for colonizing Mars or whatever, I'm not going to say it's impossible, but if we were able to ever do that, certainly we could invest our time and money and brainpower into much better things. And it fails to address the root problem that a lot of our existential threats are a result of mankind's own greed and hubris; what is to stop us from falling victim to that on a future home? Even in the case of something natural like an asteroid it's going to be much more practical to find a way to mitigate that risk while staying on earth rather than try to move populations tens of millions of miles.

The biggest threat has less to do with humanity and more to do with a cold, uncaring universe that has visited *multiple* ELEs on our planet already and another one could come at any moment. However, even if we kept ruining planet after planet, it's not like those planets are being used for anything else.

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For all we know, a black hole could appear 5 minutes from now and swallow our entire solar system

FatalAccident posted...

People ITT are so so so salty about Elon musk lmaooo

Please tell me more about how you know better than Elon musk lmao

Elon Musk told me to vote for Trump. I think I know better than him

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I'm sure once we have colonization figured out on Mars we can start building generation ships and expanding outside our solar system.

...and once we expand far enough and become disconnected, humanity will evolve separately and when the portions meet again they might consider each other aliens >_>

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Zeus posted...

Okay, imagine tomorrow that we learn that the Earth will be hit by an asteroid twice the size of the one that ended the Cretaceous period. What happens? If you have colonization, you can get people off-world and everybody already off-world is fine. If you don't have colonization, humanity could be entirely wiped out.

Colonization is an absolute necessity when it comes to the preservation of the human race.

...what?

I still don't see the advantage. Since mars doesn't have any co2, you still would have to create an artificial environment to grow plants and I can't see why this couldn't be done on Earth. Furthermore, if the climate change isn't too drastic we can still grow the plants outside on Earth simplifying the process. Mars makes everything way more complicated and with few benefits. Earth provides us with everything we need to live and thrive, mars provides us nothing. I mean you can even step outside without a spacesuit on mars without dying. Mars is a deathtrap.

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Zangulus posted...

Why doe people still respond to Zeus? Do you not realize he will literally say anything to garner a response as a troll? And cry if anyone calls him out?

same with ohja too

those two always show up together with the exact same opinions

anyways, elons just a dumbass

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