Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 353: Sewage Runoff

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https://twitter.com/RepDonBeyer/status/1346490378527117313

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PA court has already ruled that the Democrat won the election, but the republican challenger is still contesting it anyway. Republican state senators refused to certify the winner today.

https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2021/01/05/pennsylvania-senate-swearing-in-ceremony-chaos-jim-brewster-nicole-ziccarelli/amp/

In case you needed another example of Republicans being shitbags.

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This has always felt like the biggest loophole in the US system (that legislatures are the judges of their own returns). Feels like lifting up oneself by one's own bootstraps (the legislature judges the returns, but the returns empower the legislators).

Well, at least we don't have the problem England had for the Long Parliament, where Parliament kept on voting to extend its own term without further elections (ended up going for 20 years).

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Disgusting: the EPA has finalized a rule to ban themselves from using any scientific research on public health that does not disclose its raw data (which can sometimes not be done for privacy reasons, and which has not been done for plenty of existing perfectly good science):

https://twitter.com/eilperin/status/1346264770438021120?s=21

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https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1346507717343633408?s=21

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Thread: the PA State Senate refused to seat a Dem Senator whose election has been certified because his opponent has refused to concede

https://twitter.com/abgutman/status/1346519659005284353?s=21

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Lotm - i posted a link to an actual local news article that provides more context. Please read it for a fuller picture.

But yes it's disgusting.

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How long until this can be fixed?

Sorry, missed your post

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Has this ever happened to the senate before though?

This does not sound constitutional at all.
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UltimaterializerX posted...

They are following constitutional procedure. Youre not wrong that theyre idiots, but theyre pulling the same garbage democrats pull every time a republican wins an election.

True or False: Democrats objected to certifying electoral college results in 2000 and 2004.

2016 also.

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When do the polls close?

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Xeybozn posted...

We already know the GOP will do that. Even if the Dems get the Senate majority they still don't have enough votes to stop filibusters or change the rules to prevent them.

You only need a majority to remove the filibuster.

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Corrik7 posted...

2016 also.

Well you got me. I see absolutely no difference between 2000/2004/2016 and 2020.

This situation is exactly the same.

Check mate.

We surrender.

Etc.

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Corrik7 posted...

2016 also.

2004 was the only time they had an actual, stop the proceedings, objection though. No Senate objections the other times.
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2004 is the only time in the last 32 years where the GOP won the popular vote though. Objecting to that makes no sense. 2000 and 2016, absolutely though.

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A few congressmen objecting to certification wouldn't be much of a story this year either if that was anywhere close to the extent of what has been and is still happening.
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Jakyl25 posted...

2004 was the only time they had an actual, stop the proceedings, objection though. No Senate objections the other times.

True. I think Feinstein was literally begging a Senator to object in 2016 though.

It's dumb. It means nothing. Doesn't matter this year either.

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Inviso posted...

2004 is the only time in the last 32 years where the GOP won the popular vote though. Objecting to that makes no sense. 2000 and 2016, absolutely though.

A Senator from Ohio objected to Ohios count because she felt there was voter suppression that needed to be recognized. She had no actual intention of actually overturning the result, but forced through the process of a formal discussion about the Ohio votes
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Biden literally shut down the House effort himself in 2016!

Corrik7 posted...

True. I think Feinstein was literally begging a Senator to object in 2016 though.

Given that Feinstein herself could have objected this would make absolutely zero sense

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LordoftheMorons posted...

Biden literally shut down the House effort himself in 2016!

Given that Feinstein herself could have objected this would make absolutely zero sense

I guess not then!

Maybe it was Walters. Idk I read it like 5 days ago and forget the name alrdy.

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Inviso posted...

2004 is the only time in the last 32 years where the GOP won the popular vote though. Objecting to that makes no sense. 2000 and 2016, absolutely though.

I know that technically doesn't include the year 1988 since it's 2021 now, but it would still be in the same portion of the election cycle as we are right now.
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Not sure how much they want to play this up, but they could make a real filibuster out of it. 2 hours of debate for 50 states plus DC = 102 hours of debate. If they work 8 hours a day that's 13 days, plus all the time needed for the Senate to walk over to its chamber and back to the House, and to keep on reconvening the joint session. If they don't work on weekends, under that schedule, they won't finish by January 20 and I guess Pelosi becomes president.

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https://twitter.com/aaronlmorrison/status/1346568355008946178?s=21

Sad
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https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1346540350941310976?s=21

Also sad
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LordoftheMorons posted...

Biden literally shut down the House effort himself in 2016!

Given that Feinstein herself could have objected this would make absolutely zero sense

Well Feinstein was probably like 104 or so at the time, so she might've forgotten she was a senator.

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Jakyl25 posted...

https://twitter.com/aaronlmorrison/status/1346568355008946178?s=21

Sad

Figured that would be the result.

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Corrik what are your thoughts on the PA State Senate situation?
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https://newjersey.news12.com/newark-police-no-officer-fired-a-single-shot-in-2020-thanks-to-de-escalation-program

This is why I dont say ACAB. Yes otherwise good cops in bad precincts are still bad, but there are some whole precincts trying to do better
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Would like to hear more statistics before that means anything to me.

George Floyd wasn't shot.

Jakyl25 posted...

Corrik what are your thoughts on the PA State Senate situation?

I have to read up on it first.

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Jakyl25 posted...

https://newjersey.news12.com/newark-police-no-officer-fired-a-single-shot-in-2020-thanks-to-de-escalation-program

This is why I dont say ACAB. Yes otherwise good cops in bad precincts are still bad, but there are some whole precincts trying to do better

i don't think ACAB means "all precincts are bad" either. it means that all cops/precincts are complicit in a bad system. like many slogans, it's an overly simplified phrase that you should take with a huge grain of salt.

the fact that the phrase is now moddable is utterly ridiculous but that's neither here nor there.

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Yes, be careful using the phrase because they are banning accounts now for saying it. Someone on the mod team has a major axe to grind.

i assume they only ban people who explicitly agree with the phrase, though. if i get modded for explaining what it means, that would be extremely lolworthy >_>

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Literally just using the phrase in no context is bannable now.

Even making up fun ways to stick the phrase into other words also results in a ban.

Of course, could just be that those banned are the result of excuses being pushed by outside antagonistic sources, but I would never imply such a dastardly thing.

Needle time.

The most shocking thing about this needle is that it has Ossof slightly ahead of Warnock.

Will say outright that a result of Ossof and Loeflerr is not something I ever even considered and still don't.

STOP THE COUNT

plz

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

Literally just using the phrase in no context is bannable now.

To be fair, that's not really a big surprise (not the fact it's bannable, that's dumb, but the fact that using it with no context triggers an offense) because using it with no context is very commonly linked with trolling.

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

Literally just using the phrase in no context is bannable now.

Even making up fun ways to stick the phrase into other words also results in a ban.

Of course, could just be that those banned are the result of excuses being pushed by outside antagonistic sources, but I would never imply such a dastardly thing.

deleted my post. i doubt they'd ban me because my account is quite old but better safe than sorry.

utter insanity that this is the way mods act, though. did timjab become a mod recently? >_>

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COUNT THE VOTES

Sorry I've changed my mind as the results aren't in line with what I want. I think that's how we do things now.

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Oh so we cant share the Genesis Mortal Kombat blood code then
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Suprak the Stud posted...

COUNT THE VOTES

Sorry I've changed my mind as the results aren't in line with what I want. I think that's how we do things now.

COUNT THE STOPS

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Are they actually banning people for agreeing with the phrase? Thats horrendous. Policing in the US did not come out of the Peelite ideal of a police force (which, among other things, mandates that police be unarmed) like it did in other countries (this is why Northern Europe has unarmed police). It came out of, among other things, enforcing slavery. Which it still does via prison labour. How the hell is that still legal over there by the way?

The system itself is bad.

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Lightning Strikes posted...

Are they actually banning people for agreeing with the phrase? Thats horrendous. Policing in the US did not come out of the Peelite ideal of a police force (which, among other things, mandates that police be unarmed) like it did in other countries (this is why Northern Europe has unarmed police). It came out of, among other things, enforcing slavery. Which it still does via prison labour. How the hell is that still legal over there by the way?

The system itself is bad.

It was expressly written into the 13th Amendment that slavery is legal as a punishment.

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Wait why am I even following the needle after what the needle did in November lol.

Were legit going to have to suffer through unironic stop the counts all over again tonight aren't we?

UshiromiyaEva posted...

Wait why am I even following the needle after what the needle did in November lol.

Were legit going to have to suffer through unironic stop the counts all over again tonight aren't we?

The Needle was very good in November, no? I don't think it got beyond 85% or so for Trump in Georgia and moved toward Biden long before Biden started cutting votes.

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red sox 777 posted...

It was expressly written into the 13th Amendment that slavery is legal as a punishment.

Yeah, and thats messed up, my guy. That should be changed!

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Lightning Strikes posted...

Yeah, and thats messed up, my guy. That should be changed!

Agreed.

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The needle moved slightly to the left! Praise the needle!

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