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Doom_Art
12/31/20 11:17:30 AM
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...creepy to me.

There's an autistic amateur weatherman who tends to post stuff on local/regional FB pages and subreddits.

I personally find him rather annoying but I always see people just rushing in there and posting just overly (from my POV) infantilizing and saccharine comments towards him. Like he's not a grown man but rather some mascot or cute animal.

The whole thing just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

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Naysaspace
12/31/20 11:18:21 AM
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Frankie the weatherman from Nova Scotia

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teepan95
12/31/20 11:19:22 AM
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I may be guilty of this, but I feel I have a valid excuse in that my brother who's currently 10 is on the spectrum

Nevertheless, I need to learn to not treat other autists like my brother in every single way
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Doom_Art
12/31/20 11:19:26 AM
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Naysaspace posted...
Frankie the weatherman from Nova Scotia
Yes he is but he feels the need to make forecasts about my hometown and region and share it everywhere for some reason

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King_Hutton
12/31/20 11:21:03 AM
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But how does it make them feel?


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Naysaspace
12/31/20 11:21:40 AM
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Frankies been doing it for years and is generally applauded for his effort and dedication. He has a quarter mil youtube subscribers.

Guarantee zero of his haters have either the same dedication or fan following for anything they're passionate about.
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COVxy
12/31/20 11:21:50 AM
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I don't agree, seems like you should treat people by their mental age.

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Doom_Art
12/31/20 11:22:03 AM
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King_Hutton posted...
But how does it make them feel?
No one besides me actually exists so all that matters is how I feel.

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Doom_Art
12/31/20 11:23:14 AM
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Naysaspace posted...
Frankies been doing it for years and is generally applauded for his effort and dedication. He has a quarter mil youtube subscribers.
And good for him? I'm just saying I find the way people act towards him and people similar to him to be unsettling and weird.

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The_Creep_2020
12/31/20 11:23:28 AM
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Meanwhile, on Current Events:

Mommy milkers

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Naysaspace
12/31/20 11:23:38 AM
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Compare to another internet celeb who is on the spectrum, CWC, who is a creep, a criminal, a serial public harasser, etc.

Almost as if autism has nothing to do with it at all
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Vyrulisse
12/31/20 11:24:07 AM
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Understanding that they think differently than most of us do is not infantilizing. You cannot hold them to the same standards, social or otherwise, as everyone else.

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One_Day_Remains
12/31/20 11:24:08 AM
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COVxy posted...
I don't agree, seems like you should treat people by their mental age.


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King_Hutton
12/31/20 11:28:40 AM
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Doom_Art posted...
And good for him? I'm just saying I find the way people act towards him and people similar to him to be unsettling and weird.
Ok but how does he feel about it?

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Doom_Art
12/31/20 11:30:10 AM
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King_Hutton posted...
Ok but how does he feel about it?
I imagine he enjoys the attention and praise?

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King_Hutton
12/31/20 11:33:25 AM
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Doom_Art posted...
I imagine he enjoys the attention and praise?
So why do you have a problem with it?

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Doom_Art
12/31/20 11:34:54 AM
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King_Hutton posted...
So why do you have a problem with it?
Because I can have my own opinion on something that I observe? What kind of question is that lol

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King_Hutton
12/31/20 11:36:13 AM
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The kind that would hopefully make you reevaluate why youre more concerned with how you perceive his treatment than how he actually feels about it.

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averagejoel
12/31/20 11:37:45 AM
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Vyrulisse posted...
Understanding that they think differently than most of us do is not infantilizing. You cannot hold them to the same standards, social or otherwise, as everyone else.
neurotypicals also think differently from each other

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COVxy
12/31/20 11:38:04 AM
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One_Day_Remains posted...
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Doom_Art
12/31/20 11:38:09 AM
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He's a grown man and can feel how he likes about the treatment and attention he receives, and I can have my own perspective on it.

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King_Hutton
12/31/20 11:38:54 AM
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Doom_Art posted...
He's a grown man and can feel how he likes about the treatment and attention he receives, and I can have my own perspective on it.
And your perspective is entirely meaningless in comparison to his

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One_Day_Remains
12/31/20 11:39:29 AM
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COVxy posted...


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You just implied that people with autism have a lower "mental age". What kind of shit is that
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Doom_Art
12/31/20 11:40:17 AM
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King_Hutton posted...
And your perspective is entirely meaningless in comparison to his
To me it isn't lol

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COVxy
12/31/20 11:41:21 AM
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One_Day_Remains posted...
You just implied that people with autism have a lower "mental age". What kind of shit is that

Literally true, developmentally.

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Esrac
12/31/20 11:41:29 AM
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COVxy posted...
?

He thinks you're demeaning autistic people by suggesting they have a lesser mental age than neurotypical people.

I think people don't realize that autism often includes, sometimes significant,, developmental delays/disabilities.
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King_Hutton
12/31/20 11:41:55 AM
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One_Day_Remains posted...
You just implied that people with autism have a lower "mental age". What kind of shit is that
Many people with autism do. Autism is a wide spectrum that includes very capable and normally functioning people as well as adults who did not develop mentally beyond childhood. It doesnt help anyone to pretend that all autistic people are fully able - that ends up leaving behind a lot of people who deserve help.

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Naysaspace
12/31/20 11:43:06 AM
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COVxy posted...
Literally true, developmentally

jesus this is just blatant ignorance.

Its wrong btw.
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Kolibri X
12/31/20 11:43:08 AM
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It seems condescending and he's not an invalid or a simpleton. He probably wants to be treated like an adult.

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averagejoel
12/31/20 11:43:43 AM
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One_Day_Remains posted...
You just implied that people with autism have a lower "mental age". What kind of shit is that
topics like this are why I have covxy blocked. he legitimately hates autistic people and thinks it's okay because his girlfriend used to work with them

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averagejoel
12/31/20 11:45:17 AM
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Naysaspace posted...
jesus this is just blatant ignorance.

Its wrong btw.
even if it was accurate, kids... generally don't like being condescended to

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COVxy
12/31/20 11:45:57 AM
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King_Hutton posted...
Many people with autism do. Autism is a wide spectrum that includes very capable and normally functioning people as well as adults who did not develop mentally beyond childhood. It doesnt help anyone to pretend that all autistic people are fully able - that ends up leaving behind a lot of people who deserve help.

Yup. Super depressing how little infrastructure there is for people who need help. After they age out of the public school systems, usually around 18-21, there's just nothing there.

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King_Hutton
12/31/20 11:47:36 AM
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averagejoel posted...
topics like this are why I have covxy blocked. he legitimately hates autistic people and thinks it's okay because his girlfriend used to work with them
This is covxy hates autistic people because he acknowledges the reality of autism is one of the dumbest crusades youve ever been on. Autistic people arent a monolith. When you try to pretend that they are, you ignore a large amount of people who need help.

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Esrac
12/31/20 11:48:30 AM
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Naysaspace posted...
jesus this is just blatant ignorance.

Its wrong btw.

I mean, autism isn't just otherwise fully capable people with unusual quirks. It frequently includes developmental delays, if not intellectual disability.

Thats why its characterized as a spectrum. Some of them fall on the lower end sof the spectrum with more significant disabilities.
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averagejoel
12/31/20 11:50:13 AM
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King_Hutton posted...
This is covxy hates autistic people because he acknowledges the reality of autism is one of the dumbest crusades youve ever been on. Autistic people arent a monolith. When you try to pretend that they are, you ignore a large amount of people who need help.
feel free to point out where I claimed that autistic people were a monolith

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SquirtleSkwad
12/31/20 11:51:06 AM
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I have an aunt and two very autistic cousins (as in they need constant supervision).

She votes republican for both of them every year.

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King_Hutton
12/31/20 11:51:51 AM
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averagejoel posted...
feel free to point out where I claimed that autistic people were a monolith
Your entire reasoning against COVxy requires them to be a monolith to make any sense whatsoever. You act as if there arent developmentally challenged autistic people in order to talk shit about him and its fucking pathetic.

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FrankJaegr
12/31/20 11:55:21 AM
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Felt that way as a Latino sometimes, like some weird pity looks at times feeling bad kids were in cages >_>

Like a minority that has a help me sign or something - I mean, I am a struggling minority

but still <_<

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averagejoel
12/31/20 11:56:12 AM
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King_Hutton posted...
Your entire reasoning against COVxy requires them to be a monolith to make any sense whatsoever.
no it doesn't

You act as if there arent developmentally challenged autistic people in order to talk shit about him and its fucking pathetic.
feel free to point out an instance where I did this.

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Socrawheeze
12/31/20 11:57:22 AM
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averagejoel posted...
no it doesn't

feel free to point out an instance where I did this.
can you explain what you meant then? because the implication behind your post is that you take issue with the statement that people on the spectrum can be developmentally delayed
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Esrac
12/31/20 11:58:37 AM
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King_Hutton posted...
This is covxy hates autistic people because he acknowledges the reality of autism is one of the dumbest crusades youve ever been on. Autistic people arent a monolith. When you try to pretend that they are, you ignore a large amount of people who need help.

He has mischaracteristized behavioral therapy designed to assist autistic people with their social functioning as torture before.

I remember that because it was said in response to me mentioning that I had gotten my autistic daughter into behavioral therapy.
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King_Hutton
12/31/20 12:00:54 PM
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averagejoel posted...
no it doesn't

feel free to point out an instance where I did this.
Weve had the conversation before. Just stop.

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averagejoel
12/31/20 12:02:29 PM
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Socrawheeze posted...
can you explain what you meant then? because the implication behind your post is that you take issue with the statement that people on the spectrum can be developmentally delayed
what I meant is that covxy has extremely shitty, harmful opinions when it comes to autistic people, and that is why I blocked him

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Socrawheeze
12/31/20 12:03:41 PM
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averagejoel posted...
what I meant is that covxy has extremely shitty, harmful opinions when it comes to autistic people, and that is why I blocked him
You don't seem to actually wanna discuss anything right now
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averagejoel
12/31/20 12:04:22 PM
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King_Hutton posted...
Weve had the conversation before. Just stop.
I might consider stopping if you can provide some evidence for your claim.

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King_Hutton
12/31/20 12:05:06 PM
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Esrac posted...
He has mischaracteristized behavioral therapy designed to assist autistic people with their social functioning as torture before.

I remember that because it was said in response to me mentioning that I had gotten my autistic daughter into behavioral therapy.
That sounds stupid, but do you think he hates them because he disagrees with and mischaracterized that? Ive seen the COVxy/joel disputes before and its always COVxy trying to explain that we cant treat all autistic people as if theyre just quirky while joel says hes wrong and that he hates autistic people without any actual coherent thought.

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averagejoel
12/31/20 12:08:26 PM
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Socrawheeze posted...
You don't seem to actually wanna discuss anything right now
it's already too late for a legitimate discussion in this topic.

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COVxy
12/31/20 12:09:07 PM
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My harmful "opinions" are that autism is a spectrum that includes severely disabled people and that pretending like autism is just a normal variation is harmful for society, and that ABA therapy can be useful in changing behavior, which can be particularly important in repetitive behavior that is harmful, like kids who stim by slamming their heads into things.

I suppose the other harmful "opinion" is that when kids far out on the spectrum have episodes in school settings, things like minimally invasive restraint and isolation can be important to ensure they don't harm themselves or others.

That's all i can remember expressing on this board.

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COVxy
12/31/20 12:09:41 PM
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King_Hutton posted...
That sounds stupid, but do you think he hates them because he disagrees with and mischaracterized that? Ive seen the COVxy/joel disputes before and its always COVxy trying to explain that we cant treat all autistic people as if theyre just quirky while joel says hes wrong and that he hates autistic people without any actual coherent thought.

He's referring to joel in that post, not me.

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Esrac
12/31/20 12:09:55 PM
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King_Hutton posted...
That sounds stupid, but do you think he hates them because he disagrees with and mischaracterized that? Ive seen the COVxy/joel disputes before and its always COVxy trying to explain that we cant treat all autistic people as if theyre just quirky while joel says hes wrong and that he hates autistic people without any actual coherent thought.

Not trying to make a personal attack when I say this, but I suspect he takes the suggestion that autistic people can be developmentally challenged and may need help as a personal insult.

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