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Parappa09
12/29/20 12:58:17 PM
#1:


no spoilers, but at this stage (doing quests in the sector 7 slums) am i supposed to know
  • who sephiroth is?
  • why cloud is getting weird flashbacks/visions?
  • why there are dementors that no one else can see flying around?
ive never played the original so not sure if its for the OG fans. if they explain this later on then its all good

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Romulox28
12/29/20 1:01:21 PM
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no, this is all new stuff not in the original. im only a few hours into the remake but the story is very different than the original so far. like for example the character jessie is a throwaway character that dies at the end of the mako sequence in the original FF7, in FF7 remake you're going to her mom's house for a pizza party

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Eliza3
12/29/20 1:02:19 PM
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Oh shit if you havent played the original, I honestly think its gonna be confusing af. I cant say why without spoilers

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MC_BatCommander
12/29/20 1:05:45 PM
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I think you're actually supposed to know the original's story to fully understand the remake's story.

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Ruddager
12/29/20 1:07:37 PM
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Romulox28 posted...
no, this is all new stuff not in the original.

The story isnt "very different" if youre only a couple of hours into the game, there are a few things that are slightly changed story wise compared to the OG and a bunch of stuff that has been expanded upon because the game only covers Midgar so they can flesh things out more. Also Jessie dies in the OG on the pillar when Shinra is trying to take down the plate, not after the reactor bombings

To the OP, the game does kinda expect that you have played/have knowledge of the original and that becomes more and more apparent as the game goes on. You can play it without knowing the original and youll be mostly fine but there are things that you will only get/appreciate/recognize/feel the weight of if you played the OG
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KeeperOfShadows
12/29/20 1:07:52 PM
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Yes and no. It's less that you need to know that information right now, and more that there are a lot of scenes that are basically meant to be hype moments for those that do know. Or at least that's my interpretation. It really depends what direction they take the sequel in.

Sephiroth and Cloud's visions get explained at later points in the story not covered in this title (presumably, unless SE gets really stupid and completely forgets about the new players). The hooded guys get explained towards the end of this game.

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Parappa09
12/29/20 1:08:22 PM
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oh okay thanks. that's good to know

i did read that people new to FF7 might not get the most from the game, but there's no way i would have played the original and then the remake

i only have time to play like 3 games a year max, if i'm lucky

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Parappa09
12/30/20 11:18:32 AM
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playing this reminds me so much of FF15

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Jabodie
12/30/20 11:21:37 AM
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Yeah I would say it's meant to work both ways. But it introduces new elements that are clearly meant to speak to people who played the original.

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Giant_Aspirin
12/30/20 11:23:24 AM
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you can win almost everything by spamming Triple Slash over and over

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Tyranthraxus
12/30/20 11:26:59 AM
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Parappa09 posted...
who sephiroth is?
Yes.

Parappa09 posted...
why cloud is getting weird flashbacks/visions?
No. This was mostly added as flavor set up for a scene with Aerith later where you are expected to know something. Aerith says Zack's name and Cloud gets a bad case of tinnitus as a result.

Parappa09 posted...
why there are dementors that no one else can see flying around?
No this is a new story element.

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Jiggy101011
12/30/20 11:30:59 AM
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I also have never played the original and was thoroughly confused throughout the game when it came to Sephiroth, Cloud, and many aspects around Chapter 14 and beyond.

Fun game though!

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Hayame Zero
12/30/20 11:38:01 AM
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So, Sephiroth or his motives/backstory isn't really revealed at all in the original until after you leave Midgar. You're meant to be in the dark for the most part. Outside of the dementor things you're seeing, it's following the major beats of the original fairly closely at this point.

And due to some references, FFVII:R is basically made attuned to the player's knowledge of the previous one in mind. Kind of like watching the Star Wars prequels after the OT, Kiwami 1 and 2 after 0, etc. You can follow it just fine, but there are moments that some people who haven't played the other FFVII games may not completely catch.

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Romulox28
12/30/20 11:38:18 AM
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I like that the combat in ff7r only requires you to press like 3 buttons, its great for my rapidly degrading brain

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Parappa09
12/30/20 12:21:41 PM
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Giant_Aspirin posted...
you can win almost everything by spamming Triple Slash over and over
lol funnily enough i came to the same conclusion this morning

Hayame Zero posted...
And due to some references, FFVII:R is basically made attuned to the player's knowledge of the previous one in mind. Kind of like watching the Star Wars prequels after the OT, Kiwami 1 and 2 after 0, etc. You can follow it just fine, but there are moments that some people who haven't played the other FFVII games may not completely catch.
i totally get what you say when you compare it to watching the star wars prequels first

is there anything you can tell me, which is non-spoilers, that would help?

Romulox28 posted...
I like that the combat in ff7r only requires you to press like 3 buttons, its great for my rapidly degrading brain
same

and also the fighting pauses when you go into the abilities/items menu, helps for a slow person like me

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BakonBitz
12/30/20 12:26:46 PM
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Jabodie posted...
Yeah I would say it's meant to work both ways. But it introduces new elements that are clearly meant to speak to people who played the original.

This. The stuff they put in resonates with veterans and can figure out exactly what's happening, but for new players it's also there to add to the mystery for when the story continues, such as the weird flashbacks/future visions. I actually kinda like it.

Though as for the dementors, they'll fully explain what they are by the end of this game, so you don't have to worry about being out of the loop for that. Sephiroth and Cloud's mysterious past will still remain a mystery and something the team will be aiming towards in the next parts, whenever they may come out, along with whatever clusterfuck of questions they introduce at the ending as well.
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Parappa09
12/31/20 10:04:46 AM
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is Roche in the original?

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markconigliaro
12/31/20 10:06:37 AM
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Parappa09 posted...
is Roche in the original?

No, he's remake only character. And that entire section about Jesse's family is new too.

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SpiritSephiroth
12/31/20 10:06:56 AM
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Parappa09 posted...
is Roche in the original?

No.

Also this game is actually a sequel.

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Makeveli_lives
12/31/20 10:08:57 AM
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Sepiroth was introduced earlier. In the originals you only heard his name up until a certain point. They avoided that because of how well known he is now, teasing his appearance for the reveal is useless.


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Ving_Rhames
12/31/20 10:09:24 AM
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The remake assumes youve played the original. So its pretty terrible in that regard.

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SpiritSephiroth
12/31/20 10:21:36 AM
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Makeveli_lives posted...
They avoided that because of how well known he is now, teasing his appearance for the reveal is useless.


Not necessarily.

The original game has already taken place which is why hes taking a much more active role in fucking up the timelines.

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Parappa09
12/31/20 10:36:42 AM
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markconigliaro posted...
No, he's remake only character. And that entire section about Jesse's family is new too.
i thought so, he felt very out of tone with the game so far

also jessie and tifa are so thirsty for cloud

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ViewtifulGrave
12/31/20 10:40:17 AM
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FFVII:R is a sequel to the original.

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BakonBitz
12/31/20 10:41:09 AM
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SpiritSephiroth posted...


Not necessarily.

The original game has already taken place which is why hes taking a much more active role in fucking up the timelines.

They went with revealing him earlier initially because the mystery about him is gone. They came up with the story reason a bit later.
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--Zero-
12/31/20 11:01:32 AM
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Parappa09 posted...
no spoilers, but at this stage (doing quests in the sector 7 slums) am i supposed to know
* who sephiroth is?
* why cloud is getting weird flashbacks/visions?
* why there are dementors that no one else can see flying around?
ive never played the original so not sure if its for the OG fans. if they explain this later on then its all good

The game is a love letter to the fans. The game does a poor job at explaining who Sephiroth is, but by the end of the game you get some context at least. Its a part 1 of a full game so his story should be fully revealed in later parts. In the original FF7 it took a while before Sephiroth was explained too.

Cloud flashbacks and visions also happens in the original and is explained later on.

Demontors are new to the series, but are explained by the end of part 1.

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lilORANG
12/31/20 11:04:10 AM
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Parappa09
01/01/21 10:55:26 AM
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--Zero- posted...
The game is a love letter to the fans. The game does a poor job at explaining who Sephiroth is, but by the end of the game you get some context at least. Its a part 1 of a full game so his story should be fully revealed in later parts. In the original FF7 it took a while before Sephiroth was explained too.

Cloud flashbacks and visions also happens in the original and is explained later on.

Demontors are new to the series, but are explained by the end of part 1.
cool, thanks for the explanation

i'm enjoying it so far but like most of the newer FF games, it's v linear (so far) and the battle system is fairly simple albeit attack heavy

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SpiritSephiroth
01/01/21 11:18:34 AM
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Parappa09 posted...
cool, thanks for the explanation

i'm enjoying it so far but like most of the newer FF games, it's v linear (so far) and the battle system is fairly simple albeit attack heavy

In the original FF7, the Midgar section was fairly linear. Its afterwards that the game opens up. Midgar in the original game was only around 5 hours or less. About 10-15% of the total story.

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tremain07
01/01/21 11:26:36 AM
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Aerith is very strange, every time she's alone with Cloud she says odd things like "No matter what happens, you can't fall in love with me"

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BakonBitz
01/01/21 12:51:14 PM
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SpiritSephiroth posted...


In the original FF7, the Midgar section was fairly linear. Its afterwards that the game opens up. Midgar in the original game was only around 5 hours or less. About 10-15% of the total story.

I'm gonna be fair, even after Midgar the original FFVII is pretty linear, just with a distraction here and there. It's kinda late game before the game truly opens up.
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SpiritSephiroth
01/01/21 12:52:59 PM
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tremain07 posted...
Aerith is very strange, every time she's alone with Cloud she says odd things like "No matter what happens, you can't fall in love with me"

Thats because she knows what is going to happen. Like Sephiroth they both have a grasp on the timelines and how reality is changing.

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spikethedevil
01/01/21 12:53:49 PM
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ViewtifulGrave posted...
FFVII:R is a sequel to the original.

Note: This hasnt been confirmed yet in any way shape or form.

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Parappa09
01/01/21 12:54:26 PM
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ive just reached chapter 7

this game is going super quick

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BakonBitz
01/01/21 12:56:06 PM
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SpiritSephiroth posted...


Thats because she knows what is going to happen. Like Sephiroth they both have a grasp on the timelines and how reality is changing.

Yeah. Aerith moreso because she's in tune with the planet's Lifestream. She doesn't know everything, but she knows something is off. Sephiroth is more in the know because he's literally part of the Lifestream. So the future parts will basically be Aerith learning what's coming up and trying to stop Sephiroth. The battle between the two is gonna be more prominent I think.
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dameon_reaper
01/01/21 12:58:44 PM
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lilORANG posted...
Hell House was a bitch

Honestly, I'm so utterly confused by most of Wall Market because I hear something about so many dresses and I feel lost on how to complete things. It honestly turned me off from this game for awhile. I just came back and did that boss fight. And yes, he's a bitch. But I won at least...still, feels weird for it to not be an optional boss x_x
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Hayame Zero
01/01/21 1:41:32 PM
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dameon_reaper posted...
Honestly, I'm so utterly confused by most of Wall Market because I hear something about so many dresses and I feel lost on how to complete things. It honestly turned me off from this game for awhile. I just came back and did that boss fight. And yes, he's a bitch. But I won at least...still, feels weird for it to not be an optional boss x_x
Based on certain actions and choices you make, Tifa, Aerith, and Cloud have 3 different dresses to get for each. Its only relevance is for aesthetic and trophies, and requires you to replay multiple chapters. Unless you want the plat, it's pretty irrelevant.

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Will_VIIII
01/01/21 1:43:04 PM
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong as I haven't played FF7R yet, but wasn't it's story written in mind that you played the original first?

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Alkeez
01/01/21 2:03:54 PM
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Will_VIIII posted...
Someone correct me if I'm wrong as I haven't played FF7R yet, but wasn't it's story written in mind that you played the original first?

Ive heard that they tried to make it so it's supposed to be interesting to both old and new fans. From what I've gathered, people who have played the old games gets more out of the story, though

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dameon_reaper
01/01/21 2:32:49 PM
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Hayame Zero posted...
Based on certain actions and choices you make, Tifa, Aerith, and Cloud have 3 different dresses to get for each. Its only relevance is for aesthetic and trophies, and requires you to replay multiple chapters. Unless you want the plat, it's pretty irrelevant.

I know but I'm a little bit of a completionist. I saw that there were side quests I missed because I chose the wrong decision but none of the walkthroughs even gave me any idea on it. Like the questions Madam M asked....there were no questions <_< Just a massage.
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BakonBitz
01/01/21 3:15:10 PM
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dameon_reaper posted...


I know but I'm a little bit of a completionist. I saw that there were side quests I missed because I chose the wrong decision but none of the walkthroughs even gave me any idea on it. Like the questions Madam M asked....there were no questions <_< Just a massage.

That's alright. You can only get one set of sidequests or the other. You'll have to do Chapter Select and do other choices to get the other set of sidequests.
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ViewtifulGrave
01/01/21 9:02:54 PM
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spikethedevil posted...
Note: This hasnt been confirmed yet in any way shape or form.
The game basically spells it out.

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SpiritSephiroth
01/02/21 5:26:51 AM
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spikethedevil posted...
Note: This hasnt been confirmed yet in any way shape or form.

What? Have you finished the game?

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spikethedevil
01/02/21 6:20:43 AM
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SpiritSephiroth posted...
What? Have you finished the game?

Yes but nothing is confirmed.

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Parappa09
01/03/21 10:44:18 AM
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its interesting how they have a main scene playing and then minor background characters speaking over it

reading two scenes of subtitles at once

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SpiritSephiroth
01/03/21 11:50:09 AM
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spikethedevil posted...
Yes but nothing is confirmed.

So you mean it's a possibility that Sephiroth and Aerith havent seen the original timeline?

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spikethedevil
01/03/21 4:44:24 PM
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SpiritSephiroth posted...
So you mean it's a possibility that Sephiroth and Aerith havent seen the original timeline?


Anything is possible at this stage.

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