Board 8 > What was Board 8's general reaction to FFVII Remake?

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LeonhartFour posted...

it's not confirmed but I think they'd be foolish to completely rewrite the story and they know it

they've said they want to do justice to the original game, and rewriting it isn't how you do that

man that's gonna be so disappointing to all the people that want the ghosts to mean fuck you to the original

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It sure will be

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I loved it. I had some complaints about the story but after finishing it, I was fine with how it was handled.

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Loved it and it cracked my top 5 of all time list recently. Such an incredible experience.

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Best moments:

Airbuster
Hell House
Corneo's Mansion
Andrea Rhodea
JENOVA
1v1 Rufus
Thirst Jessie
Barret's in-gameplay dialogue.
Aerith and Tifa being BFFs

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Fantastic game, even the parts people say are needlessly stretched out are great. The combat is so satisfying that I grinded every character to max level and 90% of materia to max level before I even beat normal mode. Never before have I picked up an RPG day after day after day to keep playing more strictly because I wanted to just enjoy the combat system.

As for the stretched out parts being great, it helps of you're a fan of the OG and also super duper stoned the whole time

Leonhart4 posted...

Yeah, Aerith is pretty great here. I'm glad they kept her characterization close to the original instead of making her the incorruptible pure girl that KH made her.

Best thing FF7 Remake did was bring the characters back to their original characterization, mostly Cloud and Aerith. Especially Cloud. Cloud has struggled to be likable in anything post-original FF7.

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LeonhartFour posted...

it's not confirmed but I think they'd be foolish to completely rewrite the story and they know it

they've said they want to do justice to the original game, and rewriting it isn't how you do that

Then they must be foolish because they already did?

If you're taking "rewrite" to mean they're going to throw the whole thing out, obviously not, but it's likely they will hit most of the same beats but toss in some more major swerves. That's exactly what the first part was!

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I can see where people get their complaints about pacing, but I think it's paced very well. Story bits are good for getting you invested in the characters and the story, gameplay bits are good for...gameplay. I wish the random bits of gameplay like the sewers or the tunnels were more intense battles to use the gameplay to its fullest extent. Instead, you get these kinda short battles where a few uses of Triple Slash can just annihilate the enemies.

Almost GOTY if Hades didn't come out this year.

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transience posted...

I'm actually really neutral on it which is the one place I never thought I'd be. I figured I'd either really love it or think it's absolute garbage. instead I'm just kinda eh.

the pacing is really awful due to dragging out every single section of midgar to the nth degree - but there are parts where it absolutely sings. I think I was really into it when I was at chapter 4 but by the time I got to chapter 7 or 8, I was less enthused.

wall market, though. wall market.

This sums up my thoughts fairly well, though it's also worth adding that I wasn't big on how weighty the combat was, though it eventually ended up clicking with me to a certain extent (and I think the way character switching works is at least kinda genius).

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I liked what I played (my save file accidentally deleted in chapter 13 or 14) but I didn't love it. Which was disappointing since the original is my favorite game of all time and the Bombing Mission demo was so good I thought it was going to be amazing.

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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

Then they must be foolish because they already did?

That's not a rewrite, no. They changed a few things and added several things but the general story beats are all still there. People thinking they're going to completely abandon the course of the original story (and these people exist) are way off base because that isn't going to happen. That's what I meant.

I'm fine with them taking some liberties because it's a remake. It doesn't have to be a beat for beat recreation. But I imagine part 1 is probably the craziest they'll get because they had a lot of time to fill to make Midgar a full-sized game.

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Well I mean Zack, Jessie, Biggs and Wedge are all still alive, plus the ending was about them defying destiny's set course.

I don't think we're getting a completely new story, but I definitely think key events will play out differently. I also think Aerith is going to be alive by the end of the last game.

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I mean, I wouldn't even consider those major changes. Those were all minor characters in the original game. Zack didn't become important until Crisis Core. I feel like Sephiroth isn't really going to let them get off course that much. That's kind of what the ending seemed to imply, too.

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Square Enix will lose all credibility if Aeris lives.

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LeonhartFour posted...

I mean, I wouldn't even consider those major changes. Those were all minor characters in the original game. Zack didn't become important until Crisis Core. I feel like Sephiroth isn't really going to let them get off course that much. That's kind of what the ending seemed to imply, too.

I think it's very unlikely Zack remains a minor character after he has become more important due to Crisis Core and then the game makes a big deal about him surviving. Some of the writing staff from CC are on FF7R as well. Also, Sephiroth at the end of the game is trying to get Cloud to join him and change both of their destinies, so I'm not convinced he cares too much about remaining on course. He even kills Barret not too long before that, though it gets healed by the remake ghosts.

I think this is all a pretty straightforward interpretation!

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Seph kills Zack 4 seconds into part 2

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KamikazePotato posted...

Especially Cloud. Cloud has struggled to be likable in anything post-original FF7.

Eh Midgar Cloud is always how he's portrayed. In a more flanderized way in AC and KH, but I'm worried about not getting that fully actualized Disc 3 Cloud.

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I mean they already showed him moving toward that by the end of the game

And I'm not saying they aren't changing anything. I just don't expect it to be a completely different story by the end. You can add a few new things and still have the same story, like what Persona 4 did with Golden or Persona 5 did with Royal.

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Did those expansions introduce new characters that talked about changing the future. Did every toxic positive person try to pre emp criticism because there were ghosts that represented the gross old.players

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pjbasis posted...

Did those expansions introduce new characters that talked about changing the future. Did every toxic positive person try to pre emp criticism because there were ghosts that represented the gross old.players

I mean Umineko already did this

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Still a trick

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Usually when you do a change the future storyline, there's a bad future you're trying to prevent happening. I get why Sephiroth would want the future to change. It makes sense for him. FFVII generally has a good ending though, unless you're trying to create a future where everyone lives for some reason.

I mean, maybe I'm wrong! I just don't see the point.

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I'm "hoping" that they're just trying to change how things happen but things will end up the same. But I don't see how you make the death more surprising or iconic than it already was.

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Well, they don't need to try to top it because that's almost an impossible task.

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It has problems but the music, scenery, and boss fights are all so beautiful that it's like whatever.

Airbuster. Oh my GOD.

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Leonhart4 posted...

Usually when you do a change the future storyline, there's a bad future you're trying to prevent happening. I get why Sephiroth would want the future to change. It makes sense for him. FFVII generally has a good ending though, unless you're trying to create a future where everyone lives for some reason.

I mean, maybe I'm wrong! I just don't see the point.

I mean yes, I think that is what they are setting up, though I don't think that will be what actually happens.

Personally my money is on Aerith is trying to avert her own death, but it will still end up happening, but later in the story and hopefully in a way where she overtly exerts more agency then getting lmao backstabbed for plot reasons. I don't really like the theories that someone else will die instead but it's possible.

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We do have to remember it's Square. Their track record this past decade hasn't exactly been great. I wouldn't be surprised if they completely changed things for no reason.

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BetrayedTangy posted...

We do have to remember it's Square. Their track record this past decade hasn't exactly been great. I wouldn't be surprised if they completely changed things for no reason.

Their track record has been pretty solid lately actually!

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Oh yeah I forgot about DQ getting revived. Plus Octopath was pretty cool.

I just wasn't too hot on KH3 and I heard they botched some remakes.

They've definitely been getting better, but I'm still cautiously optimistic

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BetrayedTangy posted...

We do have to remember it's Square. Their track record this past decade hasn't exactly been great. I wouldn't be surprised if they completely changed things for no reason.

If FF7R wasn't already as good as it is, I'd be a lot more skeptical. After that I think even if they do change things it'll end up as something worthwhile. 7R is loaded with fanservice while also going out of its way to keep things fun and fresh, and they just have to keep that up.

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Aite can someone tell me if there's a way to quickly reach the grappling gun point at the (presumably) end of Ch. 14 after I fast warp to complete the chapter's final side quest (the one with the Don's secret stash locations)?

Because if I gotta walk back and fight those annoying ass mobs again, I've found the worst stretch of the game so far.

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Honestly just the way they handled the Jenova theme kinda tells me they have their finger on the pulse of the FF7 fanbase at least a little bit.
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Yeah, I feel like they "get" why FFVII is so special. There have been times when I wasn't sure if Square really understood their own fanbase, but the Remake team at least seems to get it.

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Worried it was going to suck. Several chapters in and this game is amazingly polished in every way.

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CaptainOfCrush posted...

Aite can someone tell me if there's a way to quickly reach the grappling gun point at the (presumably) end of Ch. 14 after I fast warp to complete the chapter's final side quest (the one with the Don's secret stash locations)?

Because if I gotta walk back and fight those annoying ass mobs again, I've found the worst stretch of the game so far.

If you just fast travel back to wall market I don't think you have to do anything but just walk over to it.

Did you go into the sewers before getting that quest and thus missing the stash down there?

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This Tifa parkour section in the fancy Shinra lobby is stupid hot. I almost feel bad that she already beat MMX and Sephiroth - post remake Tifa is gonna be a contest maniac.

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Rango posted...

Worried it was going to suck. Several chapters in and this game is amazingly polished in every way.

Yeah, maybe I'm evaluation this in a more favorable light because Cyberpunk glitches are on everyone's mind right now, but "polish" is a really apt word for it. Just about everything in this game shines with care and quality. I don't think I've gotten a single glitch, either.

ctesjbuvf posted...

If you just fast travel back to wall market I don't think you have to do anything but just walk over to it.

Did you go into the sewers before getting that quest and thus missing the stash down there?

I took care of all the side quest stuff, but I had no idea that the grapple gun area was connected to anything other than the sewers, so I had to go through them again. Annoying but whatever.

I feel like my biggest complaint so far is the lack of a cohesive "world" map that gives the player a good sense of their bearings.

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Yeah, I wish it were easier to get around, especially for those last quests before you head up to the Shinra Building. Even unlocking the chocobo carts doesn't always help because it isn't readily apparent in some cases where you're getting dropped off.

And post-Remake Tifa is going to be a monster. I'm curious to see if anyone would take post-Remake Aerith over, say, Sonic.

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Post-Remake Cloud, Tifa, and Aeris are going to be fun to watch. Sephiroth too, now that he's in Smash Bros. Barret deserves another shot too.

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That's probably one of those upset specials where the underdog is so popular that it winds up being 50/50 in the Guru.

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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/7372-finals-bracket-2-zelda-vs-sonic
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/7354-division-5-final-zelda-vs-aerith

Aerith would need a big boost to close the gap, but it's hardly impossible. In that same year Alucard became an elite character off of a Netflix show so weirder stuff has happened.

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Half my next contest nominations are gonna be spent making sure all five (Barret included) get in with high seeds.

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Somehow I doubt any of them need the help outside of Barret!

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Barret vs. Knuckles who ya got

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CaptainOfCrush posted...

I took care of all the side quest stuff, but I had no idea that the grapple gun area was connected to anything other than the sewers, so I had to go through them again. Annoying but whatever.

I don't remember exactly, but I mean, you should know for certain whether or not if you just walked around and explored the area where you came up.

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I loved every second of it. And when I was done with my Hard mode run I felt a bit of sadness that it was all over after getting all the trophies.


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Perhaps we should at least wait to see just how convincingly FF7R wins GotY here before spouting off all this crazy talk of what it's supposed to do for its characters next contest.

Oh, and also:
KamikazePotato posted...

In that same year Alucard became an elite character off of a Netflix show so weirder stuff has happened.

Did you forget that SotN underwent its own comparable zero-to-hero trend from 2009 to 2015?

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I still havent even been able to play it despite owning a copy for several months now. Whenever I throw it in my PS4 the whole thing crashes.

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KamikazePotato posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/7372-finals-bracket-2-zelda-vs-sonic
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/7354-division-5-final-zelda-vs-aerith

Aerith would need a big boost to close the gap, but it's hardly impossible. In that same year Alucard became an elite character off of a Netflix show so weirder stuff has happened.

Man, judging from Snake's numbers against both it's honestly really weird that Zelda didn't kill Sonic more, especially if she were already beginning her bandwagon from the huge upset.

KamikazePotato posted...

Somehow I doubt any of them need the help outside of Barret!

Aerith barely made it in last time without the remake, so it's probably fine that some people think to nominate her now that she's probably stronger, though I would too be surprised if she missed the bracket. Barret will surely make it in with just a reminder here as it's a lot easier to get people to nominate returning characters with reason to be stronger.

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