Current Events > Let's argue about Star Citizen some more...

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its fun how mad yall get at this game.

Imagine paying money for a virtual ship

Youve paid money for a hand picked selection of virtual pocket monsters under the guise you could catch them all

Youve paid money to pretend to be the same mute kid in a green tunic saving the same stupid princess from the same stupid pig dude.

Youve paid money to shoot the same MP5 youve been shooting in video games for decades.

I really dont see why people care how people spend their money or what it actually gets them

Ive spent 100 bucks in star citizen. But 60 was spent to actually play the game like you would any other game purchase. It just came with my choice of ship. and the extra 40 was to upgrade to a cooler ship

Some people have sunk thousands into the game sure. Good for them if they have that kind of disposable income. Some people have spent thousands on Hearthstone cards that have literal zero money value and cannot be traded in any way. Some people spend HUNDREDS a year on cigarettes and slowly kill themselves and bleed themselves dry year by year. Tell me why it makes you mad how people spend their money?

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Imagine paying money for a virtual ship.

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Imagine paying monthly for a second full time
job. Where you sit there doing the same abilities in the most efficient order repeatedly. So you can get a slightly better piece of gear that will let you to repeat those abilities in the exact same
order on a slightly different collection of pixels.

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No.

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That's peanuts compared to what people spend on EVE Online, and ships are gone forever when destroyed.

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sabin017 posted...

That's peanuts compared to what people spend on EVE Online, and ships are gone forever when destroyed.

This actually a really a good point that Ive never considered.

People have waged virtual wars over thousands of dollars worth of mcguffins. Most people hear the stories coming out of the game and just think its fascinating. I know I do.

Gameplay aint shit though, thats why most people like just hearing the stories. Its just not engaging at all to me.

If you can hear stories about EVE and all the drama, politics and money involved whats essentially a spreadsheet simulator.

Surely you can imagine why people would get attached to virtual ships that are designed for a completely immersive FPS space sim. EVE ships are just little bobbles floating in a hanger you have such limited interaction with. The only way to even begin understand the scale of them is to see comparisons images like this



Because the gameplay gives you no clear indication when one of those capital ships sit in your hanger like



Whereas a game like star citizen lets you walk around your ships freely and has huge gameplay implications because of that level of freedom. The level of appreciation you have from a FPS perspective and the level of detail they put into these ships...you can spend your money on worse things my friends.

People are gonna think Im shilling for this game but you also dont have to pay for these ships either. You could just pay to play the game and earn the currency to buy them. Im just making comparisons here.

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I follow the subreddit just to see what's going on and it actually looks really beautiful.

But I don't know why anyone would drop thousands of dollars into something that's going to be wiped multiple times before it actually gets to a fully playable state.

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I'm not mad people paying money for a virtual ship, since I have spend money for skins on mobas.

What is fucking ridiculous, that in order to buy a certain ship, you have to first spend 1.000 dollars to be able to buy it. Oh and that ship then costs around 27.000 dollars.

I know people love to shit on EA for their predatory micro transactions (and they should), but why should SC get a free pass for an ingame item worth the price of a new car?


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Imagine defending Star Citizen unprompted lol

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Scam Citizen

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Hexenherz posted...

But I don't know why anyone would drop thousands of dollars into something that's going to be wiped multiple times before it actually gets to a fully playable state.

If you paid real money for a ship, its not going to be wiped through any version update or anything. You will always own that ship. Until they implement the insurance system but I cant see them doing it until the game comes completely out of beta

Nazanir posted...

What is fucking ridiculous, that in order to buy a certain ship, you have to first spend 1.000 dollars to be able to buy it. Oh and that ship then costs around 27.000 dollars

What are you talking about spending a thousand and costs 27 thousand?

Are you talking about how much it costs them to produce each ship? I remember hearing some figure in the 10s of thousands

But yes people are buying ships in the game for thousands. It is ridiculous but also at the same time those ships are the equivalent of something like a Star Destroyer. Theyre just massive ships.

People obviously think have the money think its worth it to them to own a virtual ship so big its could carry dozens of other ships. Remains to be seen how many actual players and NPCs can crew a ship too. But if you had a group of 10 people at a $100 a pop, you could chip in for a star destroyer

Idk too rich for my blood but obviously people wanna do it. People are buying plastic lightsabres for a couple hundred bucks and it aint even real laser sword my guy.

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Imagine having to have an entire page dedicated to the different insurance plans you can purchase and how to file an insurance claim for your ship because if you don't you will lose that ship forever.

https://support.robertsspaceindustries.com/hc/en-us/articles/360000093467-Ship-Insurance-FAQs

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Looked gf posted...

Scam Citizen

https://youtu.be/GlVyZGSlDIk

Still waiting to understand what the scam is

They took our money and instead of running off with it...are producing one of the most complicated, ambitious achievements in gaming history, where no other developer is even coming close to creating anything like this.

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s0nicfan posted...

Imagine having to have an entire page dedicated to the different insurance plans you can purchase and how to file an insurance claim for your ship because if you don't you will lose that ship forever.

https://support.robertsspaceindustries.com/hc/en-us/articles/360000093467-Ship-Insurance-FAQs

Why are you mad at a space sim?

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SwayM posted...

Still waiting to understand what the scam is

Well, they're currently dealing with that lawsuit from unreal because they're using the engine without properly licensing it for Squadron 42, which itself is a huge money sink that was never part of the original Kickstarter project. The only reason that they're being sued is because they insist that squadron 42 is not a spin-off project but a completely different product, being made by different company, which also means all the money going into it from cloud imperium is being redirected from funds raised for SC that aren't being spent on it. The only reason they're doing that is because the CEO wanted his wife and best friend to get in on the action and they couldn't do that without spinning off a separate company. The three of them are laughing their way to the bank as they take hundreds of millions of dollars to produce something that's not much more than a tech demo that a real company would have been able to deliver half a decade ago.

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SwayM posted...

Why are you mad at a space sim?

Hey, you're the one that wanted to argue. It's a little late to pull the "why so mad" card once people start throwing out arguments you can't casually dismiss.

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Hey if getting mad at games was always in vein no man sky and ff14 wouldnt be good games now

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Imagine paying $10000 for a video game space ship, but when youre flying it in space you lag out and crash it into a planet. Oops, now you have to respawn in the shitty starter space ship and fork out another 10k

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and before you try and make a claim like the lawsuit is being dropped, unreal is suspending it because the lawsuit can't actually go through until squadron 42 is released, and it's been delayed so many times that they're burning all their money on lawyer fees. They're literally in a situation where they can never formally release squadron 42 without being sued into oblivion, so it's just going to sit in Early Access forever while they continue to collect money on it.

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SwayM posted...

If you paid real money for a ship, its not going to be wiped through any version update or anything. You will always own that ship. Until they implement the insurance system but I cant see them doing it until the game comes completely out of beta

What are you talking about spending a thousand and costs 27 thousand?

Are you talking about how much it costs them to produce each ship? I remember hearing some figure in the 10s of thousands

But yes people are buying ships in the game for thousands. It is ridiculous but also at the same time those ships are the equivalent of something like a Star Destroyer. Theyre just massive ships.

People obviously think have the money think its worth it to them to own a virtual ship so big its could carry dozens of other ships. Remains to be seen how many actual players and NPCs can crew a ship too. But if you had a group of 10 people at a $100 a pop, you could chip in for a star destroyer

Idk too rich for my blood but obviously people wanna do it. People are buying plastic lightsabres for a couple hundred bucks and it aint even real laser sword my guy.

I somewhat missremebered. The 27.000 dollar purchase is for a pack of several ships, but only viewable after having spend 1.000 dollars:

https://www.google.nl/amp/s/www.ign.com/articles/2018/05/29/star-citizen-now-has-a-27000-dlc-pack%3famp=1

EA's wet dream basically. But my point stands. In order to buy it, you have to spend a 1.000 dollars first, which is borderline insane for a game.

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s0nicfan posted...

Well, they're currently dealing with that lawsuit from unreal

Well first of all the lawsuit was from Crytek, creators of cryengine. Second from literally the beginning their entire Kickstarter and crowdfunding campaign was to build a robust single player experience (Squadron 42) as well as a persisting multiplayer universe within the exact same game

Squadron 42
Squadron 42 is a story-based single-player game set in the Star Citizen fictional universe described by the developers as a "spiritual successor to Wing Commander".[37][38] It is being developed by the Foundry 42 studio under the supervision of Chris Roberts' brother Erin, who had already worked with him on the Wing Commander series and led the production and development of games like Privateer 2: The Darkening and Starlancer.[39][40][41] It was originally announced for release in 2014 during the Kickstarter campaign

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.eurogamer.net/amp/2020-02-21-crytek-and-cloud-imperium-games-settle-star-citizen-lawsuit

Also after googling this for a few key details. Income to find out they dropped the lawsuit lol

Honestly which company is right or wrong here literally means nothing to me personally as a consumer and someone whos paid for the game. Who gives an absolute shit about petty licensing debates for fucks sake lol. Gamers are so funny how they get so invested in the corporate aspect of things that makes zero difference to them. Yet they always want things to be as consumer friendly as humanly possible.

Using basic common sense, being a consumer of Star Citizen and getting SQ42 AND a persistent universe is literally no different than paying for something like COD and getting a single player and all sorts of multiplayer modes. As a consumer you kind have come to expect those package deals, no?

s0nicfan posted...

Hey, you're the one that wanted to argue. It's a little late to pull the "why so mad" card once people start throwing out arguments you can't casually dismiss.

Im saying, this what the game is though Like yeah its an immersive space sim. You buy ships (not just with real world currency) and those ships are made to feel like buying a car in our real world. So it should be expected theyre trying to create systems around it like insurance so that these are treated like the important items they are.


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Nazanir posted...

I somewhat missremebered. The 27.000 dollar purchase is for a pack of several ships, but only viewable after having spend 1.000 dollars:

https://www.google.nl/amp/s/www.ign.com/articles/2018/05/29/star-citizen-now-has-a-27000-dlc-pack%3famp=1

EA's wet dream basically. But my point stands. In order to buy it, you have to spend a 1.000 dollars first, which is borderline insane for a game.

So its 27,000 to own every ship in this game? Okay? What am I meant to do with that information though?

Like also in another game

https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/bsyd5i/total_price_of_train_simulator_dlc_the_most/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

Itll cost you 9.000 large to play with all the virtual trains in a train simulator.

Again my question is who cares if someone has this amount of money to throw around. Is anyone looking up the train sim people and crying about their scam?

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People seem to have this stigma around the crowdfunding aspect of it and how much money its made.

Then also theres the other side of the coin where developers and publishers spend nearly a decade from concept to release a game like Cyberpunk and...well

Ask yourself why you believe youre in a perfect world when were clearly not. Games take a lot of time and money to produce. If you dont understand at least that concept by now

And neither of those things are going to appear out of thin air

And itse still FAAAR from a guarantee even if it seems like a complete slam dunk on paper.

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SwayM posted...

People seem to have this stigma around the crowdfunding aspect of it and how much money its made.

Then also theres the other side of the coin where developers and publishers spend nearly a decade from concept to release a game like Cyberpunk and...well

Ask yourself why you believe youre in a perfect world when were clearly not. Games take a lot of time and money to produce. If you dont understand at least that concept by now

And neither of those things are going to appear out of thin air

And itse still FAAAR from a guarantee even if it seems like a complete slam dunk on paper.

Rika_Furude posted...

Imagine paying $10000 for a video game space ship, but when youre flying it in space you lag out and crash it into a planet. Oops, now you have to respawn in the shitty starter space ship and fork out another 10k

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Doom_Art posted...

Imagine defending Star Citizen unprompted lol

Probably because he can't defend cyberpunk anymore.

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s0nicfan posted...

Imagine having to have an entire page dedicated to the different insurance plans you can purchase and how to file an insurance claim for your ship because if you don't you will lose that ship forever.

https://support.robertsspaceindustries.com/hc/en-us/articles/360000093467-Ship-Insurance-FAQs

what the fuck

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Tmaster148 posted...

Probably because he can't defend cyberpunk anymore.

Playing it on PC. Having a great time.

Hexenherz posted...

what the fuck

Have you heard of or played Escape from Tarkov, FPS with a lot of interesting realistic mechanics like getting shot in extremities means youll start limping or be unable to hold a rifle effectively. That kinda thing

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Sorry Im just waiting to see how you react to games that have realistic mechanics.

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Why do people think I'm mad when I'm laughing at their dumbfuckery? I laugh at people who intentionally take nutshots, too, but I'm not angry at them.

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vigorm0rtis posted...

Why do people think I'm mad when I'm laughing at their dumbfuckery? I laugh at people who intentionally take nutshots, too, but I'm not angry at them.

Simple things for simple minds I suppose.

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I bought it, and I enjoy it. Havent played it in a little bit, but when a few more updates drop Ill play it again

Its a pretty good space sim, even if it isnt finished. Still polished like hell though

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SwayM posted...

Simple things for simple minds I suppose.

*doesn't realize what he just said about spending money on SC*

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Star citizen is a fucking joke

Samurontai posted...

I bought it, and I enjoy it. Havent played it in a little bit, but when a few more updates drop Ill play it again

Its a pretty good space sim, even if it isnt finished. Still polished like hell though

Yeah it is. Insane level of detail theyve achieved already. I have my doubts and they continue to release some of the most impressive shit Ive seen in a game.

vigorm0rtis posted...

*doesn't realize what he just said about spending money on SC*

*doesnt realize how hes laughing at people who enjoy video games that dont affect him in any way*

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SwayM posted...

Playing it on PC. Having a great time.

Have you heard of or played Escape from Tarkov, FPS with a lot of interesting realistic mechanics like getting shot in extremities means youll start limping or be unable to hold a rifle effectively. That kinda thing

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Sorry Im just waiting to see how you react to games that have realistic mechanics.

Getting shot in the leg and limping is fine, because I imagine if you die you respawn and your leg is healed.

Having to fill out an insurance claim for something to not lose real money seems screwed up though lol and also not really interesting to me.

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Hexenherz posted...

Getting shot in the leg and limping is fine, because I imagine if you die you respawn and your leg is healed.

Having to fill out an insurance claim for something to not lose real money seems screwed up though lol and also not really interesting to me.

I brought up Tarkov though because you can also insure the items you collect in that game. Since its a survival game and the whole point is permadeath. You can pay in game money to insure if you die and someone doesnt pick up your item, its returned to you.

People get attached to virtual shit man. And games dont have to baby you, you can just straight up lose it and eat the cost too if you like

I think having more complex systems in games is interesting and a good thing


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Yeah but it sounds like in Tarkov you're getting in-game items through playing the game and then insuring them with in-game currency that you get from playing the game?

Whereas in SC you're paying to protect a cash investment you made on something... with real world dollars.

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Hexenherz posted...

Yeah but it sounds like in Tarkov you're getting in-game items through playing the game and then insuring them with in-game currency that you get from playing the game?

Whereas in SC you're paying to protect a cash investment you made on something... with real world dollars.

You can buy everything in SC through in game currency

You can also spend real money on ships yes, which come with insurance But as far as I know, you cant pay directly for insurance.

Its not even in the game yet. Theres no system in place for losing your ships currently in the game. theres no insurance claim system. There is a respawn timer, but thats it. Its not tied to anything.

Youre not gonna lose your digital ships and youre not gonna have to call Space Geiko yet.


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SwayM posted...

They took our money and instead of running off with it...are producing one of the most complicated, ambitious achievements in gaming history, where no other developer is even coming close to creating anything like this.

Bwahahahahahahahahaha.

Oh fuck I needed that today.

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HagenEx posted...

Bwahahahahahahahahaha.

Oh fuck I needed that today.

Super weird response.

Show me another game doing what I linked in the video earlier.

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Star Citizen looks mad fun, can I get the complaints summarized?

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SwayM posted...

So its 27,000 to own every ship in this game? Okay? What am I meant to do with that information though?

Like also in another game

https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/bsyd5i/total_price_of_train_simulator_dlc_the_most/? utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

Itll cost you 9.000 large to play with all the virtual trains in a train simulator.

Again my question is who cares if someone has this amount of money to throw around. Is anyone looking up the train sim people and crying about their scam?

One is an actually released game, the other a financial black hole.

And yes, 9.000 dollars for DLC is fucking insane, but that makes 27.000 even worse.

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Evening_Dragon posted...

Star Citizen looks mad fun, can I get the complaints summarized?

Ill give you my perspective from someone whos played it.

First its still in development. So if you dont wanna play something unfinished or a little rough around the edges I would stay away. Its taken a while to get here, where the universe 1) is starting to take shape and feel very large in scope and B) its actually stable enough that you can get a decent gameplay experience

It can be pretty buggy, but its come a long way.

It is quite fun. Its a very large game in scope and theyve begun to implement a ton of the features, but a lot of them arent very fleshed out at this moment, and theres no tutorial or anything to explain things so it can be quite confusing for new players. But there are early implementations of mining, hauling, bounty hunting, quests and the like. Some more robust than others.

Its also a massive sandbox with an extremely unique feature set. FPS, Ship combat, planet exploring, etc. So you dont need the game to tell you how to have fun necessarily.

Nazanir posted...

One is an actually released game, the other a financial black hole.

And yes, 9.000 dollars for DLC is fucking insane, but that makes 27.000 even worse.

Why is this a financial black hole? Because its well documented how much money someone could THEORETICALLY spend if they went Loony Toons with their cash?

Like what logic and evaluation makes sense to you. By example I could log into Hearthstone right now and theoretically spend thousands on virtual card packs with no real world monetary value. Theres no limit to the amount of money I could potentially spend in any game with endless loot boxes and micro transactions

The only real difference is the people at Star a citizen really dont give a shit to hide the fact that people will pay that absurd amount of money for their ships. Whereas companies like Blizzard will NEVER tell you how their much their whales are lining their pockets

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SwayM posted...

It's fun how mad yall get at this game.

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Smashingpmkns posted...

Do you need to talk? Were here for ya fam.

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sad how tc dodges and constructs strawmen

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SwayM posted...

Do you need to talk? Were here for ya fam.

https://twitter.com/dril/status/134787490526658561
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SwayM posted...

https://youtu.be/GlVyZGSlDIk

Still waiting to understand what the scam is

They took our money and instead of running off with it...are producing one of the most complicated, ambitious achievements in gaming history, where no other developer is even coming close to creating anything like this.

Lmao

Show me a finished game then oh wait...

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