Current Events > weekly reminder that The Last Jedi is a fine movie

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IMO a few subplots should have been reworked so that the credits could satisfyingly roll with Kylo's hand outstretched, offering Rey a partnership in his conquest

I take no points off for the movie not doing that, though. I just think the pacing suffered even more following that

tote_all posted...

Is disliking stupid, out of place, "funny", pointless, extremely long subplots part of headcanon?

Yes. For one, the Canto Bight thing doesn't last that long, so its definitely headcanon to consider it such. Also not liking stupid funny stuff because its stupid and funny goes against the very core of Star Wars, which is stupid and funny.

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Hippocrates posted...

I really don't get it. Like, I wanna say it's out of spite because of how badly the alt right reacted to it. But there's no way that many people like something out of spite. And then you got tons of people here who say it's easily their favorite star wars movie. Like, huh?

There's a degree in truth to that. There are people who only praise it for supposed virtue signaling points, but I think those types are well in the minority.

Doom_Art posted...

Hot take: People just hate on TLJ because it didn't adapt their own personal fan fiction headcanon

Never got this argument. It's basically saying "You just hate TLJ because you didn't like the story!" Well no duh. You could use that same argument for anything. I never was much of a fan of the old EU so the movies being different isn't what bothered me.

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tote_all posted...

Hey hey now this isn't The Walking Dead.

lol idgi

Southernfatman posted...

There's a degree in truth to that. There are people who only praise it for supposed virtue signaling points, but I think those types are in the minority.

Well I'm not even talking about virtue signaling or w/e, but IDK what the movie does that could be considered virtue signaling. I'm talking I straight up think a percentage of TLJ fans only like it because the alt right seethingly loathes it

Nah all the Disney star wars have been really boring

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Hippocrates posted...

Well I'm not even talking about virtue signaling or w/e, but IDK what the movie does that could be considered virtue signaling. I'm talking I straight up think a percentage of TLJ fans only like it because the alt right seethingly loathes it

Maybe virtue signaling was the wrong term to use, but my meaning was basically what you said. I feel the same way about certain people who liked the 2016 Ghostbusters movie.

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To TLJ's credit I did smile once, at one of the jokes. When Luke was rubbing the fern on Rey and he's like "yeah that's the force do you feel it"

Doom_Art posted...

Hot take: People just hate on TLJ because it didn't adapt their own personal fan fiction headcanon

Same with TLOU2. Isn't it funny that pretty much everything Rian and Druckmann made before was considered great but the moment they made a sequel that was bold instead of being safe and pandering to the "fans", it's the worst thing ever and they're now hacks.

It ruined Poe and Finn, completely fucked up Rey's story, wasted Luke, and left RoS with nowhere to go

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A lotta people call TLJ bold but it retread a lotta ground from both the OT and TFA

tote_all posted...

...considering that a particular plot had too much screen time somehow means my understanding of the Star Wars universe is different?

Canto Bight lasts eleven minutes. Its comparatively barely in the movie, and lasts a far shorter time than people who hate the movie remember. "Wrong, but I still believe in it" sounds like headcanon to me.

tote_all posted...

But TLJ is not funny.

Probably the funniest Star Wars movie.

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CM_Ponch posted...

It ruined Poe and Finn, completely fucked up Rey's story, wasted Luke, and left RoS with nowhere to go

The only point of these true is that Finns character was so mistreated


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tote_all posted...

The Star Wars movie and the concept of "screen time" is not part of Star Wars canon, official or otherwise. This is not a hard concept and you're not dumb enough not to get this.

Nah, its good enough for me. Head canon is basically just "stuff I made up", and this is the same thing.

tote_all posted...

Yeah and Melancholia is probably the funniest of its trilogy too.

Nope, I mean all of Star Wars.

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@Southernfatman IShall is a perfect example of the kinda person I was referrin to earlier. Like look at how hard he's going 100% on this. he's calling not liking plot points a matter of head canon and acting like the movie was hilarious or something. That's gotta be outta spite

Bananana posted...

The only point of these true is that Finns character was so mistreated

Poe went from reliable in TFA to being the reason for countless deaths in the opening of TLJ, Rey's parents being literally nobody derailed everything her character had going for her. They literally changed the ending of TFA for TLJ just so Luke could drink blue milk and die. Snoke was set up as the big bad for all of TFA just to die in five minutes in TLJ leaving RoS to spend half of itself creating the sequel TLJ was supposed to be.

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CM_Ponch posted...

Poe went from reliable in TFA to being the reason for countless deaths in the opening of TLJ, Rey's parents being literally nobody derailed everything her character had going for her. They literally changed the ending of TFA for TLJ just so Luke could drink blue milk and die. Snoke was set up as the big bad for all of TFA just to die in five minutes in TLJ leaving RoS to spend half of itself creating the sequel TLJ was supposed to be.

1. Poe is a complex hero who shows the potential negative to the archetype he is. Assuming you buy into the idea of him being set up similar to Han Solo, Solo never really has that moment where his "hot shot antics" really show a negative. Yeah he EVENTUALLY is caught, but not due to any mistake on his part.

2. Rey's parentage was awesome if you view it in the lens of Ben lying to Rey. Why did anyone ever believe Ben when he said that to Rey? He is actively trying to influence her to abandon the Jedi and join him. What better way than to leave her feeling alone and abandoned like he felt?

3. To be fair, Snoke was always planned to be a clone of Palpatine. His death meant nothing beyond an amazing growth moment for Ben.

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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

1. Poe is a complex hero who shows the potential negative to the archetype he is. Assuming you buy into the idea of him being set up similar to Han Solo, Solo never really has that moment where his "hot shot antics" really show a negative. Yeah he EVENTUALLY is caught, but not due to any mistake on his part.

There's a difference between showing the negative sides to a character and completely destroying the character by forcing him to hold the idiot ball. At no point did Poe feel remorse for the deaths he caused, at no point did he try to have a serious conversation with Leia and Holdo, instead it was a forced coup that undermined his heroic actions. The Last Jedi wanted to be a deep movie but did it with the finess of a 1st grader explaining astrophysics

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That movie was dogshit

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Idk as a very casual star wars viewer I found it boring

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I love how neither the defenders or those who are against the movie even bothered to bring up Captain Phasma's wasted return.

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RyuForce posted...

I love how neither the defenders or those who are against the movie even bothered to bring up Captain Phasma's wasted return.

Phasma's deleted scene is the best part of the movie.

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will never forget seeing the last jedi opening night, going home and falling asleep, then waking up to talk about how its a crossover hit with ppl who like movies and also normies

then i load up the movie theater board on here and everyone hates it lol

so weird

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marthsheretoo posted...

Phasma's deleted scene is the best part of the movie.

Pretty much. It's still baffling how it was left out.

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ALIEN_WORK2HOP posted...

[The Last Jedi] was fine if you were 12 years old.

"These [Star Wars] films are tales for children." - George Lucas

Fun fact: He said this during filming of Return of the Jedi to Hamill after [Hamill] told Lucas that Luke should become a Sith.
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Crescente posted...

Everyone is allowed to their opinion. It doesn't mean it's a good opinion. - Mark Hamil

True.

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I enjoyed it a lot. It's in the upper 50% for me, but idk where they all fall. It fluctuates based on my mood.

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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

3. To be fair, Snoke was always planned to be a clone of Palpatine. His death meant nothing beyond an amazing growth moment for Ben.

lol no he wasn't

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TLJ is utter dogshit and the worst Star Wars movie theyve made.

I mean that it is so so far beneath the fucking Holiday Special is a vastly superior time.

Id compare it to Batman Vs Superman, but the whole movie is made of "Martha"esque bullshit, and now Zack Snyder has made a DCEU that is far better than a Star Wars trilogy.

Like most trilogies, it doesnt have TLJ, and that albatross makes the ST the worst trilogy of all time.

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Man, after tonight's episode... TLJ really wasted the man.

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