Current Events > 300,000 Americans have now died from Covid.

(+) Yeah! (+)

And yet we still have people claiming its a hoax despite death rates and cases rising.

Does anyone on here still feel its being overstated?

this is exactly what americans wanted though

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Thanks, Trump.

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Why bother asking that question, TC? Only one answer is allowed here.
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https://youtu.be/bDRXt4o84Fo

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I remember months ago when "if we get less then 100k deaths we handled it well"

Here we are today with 300k.

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I literally got called to 2 house parties the other night for people who got hurt and there was like 20+ people at each one and no one was wearing a mask. People just don't give a fuck >_>

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that's only 1% of the population
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Philoktetes posted...

that's only 1% of the population

Thats actually pretty crazy thar 1% of the population died from a disease. Makes you wonder how fragile our species is.
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The President doesn't care, so why should I? /sarcasm

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What makes this so much worse is that we didn't have to let it get to this point. We could have mitigated the damage

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Gwynevere posted...

What makes this so much worse is that we didn't have to let it get to this point. We could have mitigated the damage

Unfortunately that's difficult to do when half the population of the country think it's a 5G democratic hoax and just the flu.

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Philoktetes posted...

that's only 1% of the population

It's 0.1% actually. 300 million Americans, 3 million would be 1%.
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Vermander posted...

Thats actually pretty crazy thar 1% of the population died from a disease. Makes you wonder how fragile our species is.

Math aside, Europe survived more then 3/4ths of their population being wiped out from the plague....so this statement couldn't be further from the opposite.

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Vermander posted...

Thats actually pretty crazy thar 1% of the population died from a disease. Makes you wonder how fragile our species is.

3.3million is 1%, not 300k

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Strider102 posted...

I remember months ago when "if we get less then 100k deaths we handled it well"

Here we are today with 300k.

Don't worry. I don't believe the deaths from thanksgiving are here yet as it's usually a 3-4 week delay from catching it to death.

bigtiggie23 posted...

It's 0.1% actually. 300 million Americans, 3 million would be 1%.

I was off a zero in my mind.
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Gotta have our social gatherings!

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How many were in assisted living or had underlying health issues?

Thank goodness this is nowhere near as bad as the Spanish Flu.

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Correct_Facts posted...

How many were in assisted living or had underlying health issues?

alot of the obituary's on the "victims" of covid had pre-existing conditions. even taken out young people who didn't have any. just bad roll of the dice. wished others had more consideration to not have social get togethers it's costing everyone they interact with.

the last 11 deaths, 6 had pre-existing conditions. 5 of them cant be ruled out yet.
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Remember universal healthcare is bad as it will (somehow) lead to death panels where the old and weak will be killed.

This virus killing the old and weak? Ignore it and live your life normally.

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Correct_Facts posted...

How many were in assisted living or had underlying health issues?

How many people have those underlying conditions? Nearly half the country is obese.


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USA USA USA hell yeah

shockthemonkey posted...

Do fat and old people deserve to die or something?

Apparently. The number of times I've seen some iteration of this is really disheartening

"My <family member> died from covid"
"DiD tHeY hAvE a PrE-eXiStInG cOnDiTiOn??"

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Edification posted...

And yet we still have people claiming its a hoax despite death rates and cases rising.

Does anyone on here still feel its being overstated?

There are numerous people on the make america great again board that are blaming blm for all of the deaths because protests... like all of the deaths. They make that very clear. They also claim that everyone at those protests is maskless (and all photos or videos of masked protestors are fake/doctored etc. and can't be trusted because media).
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You blame Trump yet most of the epicenters were from cities that hate Trump already.

RIP to the deceased.

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CE is still gonna keep going out and ignore it

I think the entire world it's around 1.6 million deaths. How does the US have a fifth of those numbers?

Crescente posted...

I think the entire world it's around 1.6 million deaths. How does the US have a fifth of those numbers?

Because the US is the only country in which wearing a mask infringes upon someones constitutional rights, for some unknown reason.

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I overheard someone in a store the other day talking about how "the flu has killed more people than COVID." Of course, she wasn't wearing a mask either.

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The thing about the pre-existing argument is that they were living with those pre-existing conditions until they get Covid. Were supposed to eliminate the fact that they had Covid, though.
The causes of death , on paper, are complications due to Covid.
It gets simplified in the news to Covid related deaths.

Some years ago in Los Angeles, a Medi-Vac helicopter picked up a critically injured car accident victim and crashed on its way to the hospital. He had a pre-existing condition, but thats not why he died.

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People aren't going to care until the numbers are effectively wiping out entire cities and even then, that's a big IF

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shockthemonkey posted...

Do fat and old people deserve to die or something?

As far as conservatives are concerned? Yes.

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Monolith1676 posted...

Thank goodness this is nowhere near as bad as the Spanish Flu.

Modern healthcare is exponentially better than it was 100 years ago, otherwise, it'd be worse

shockthemonkey posted...

Do fat and old people deserve to die or something?

according to republicans, yes. unless their deaths are caused by socialism. then its bad.

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DoctorPiranha3 posted...

Modern healthcare is exponentially better than it was 100 years ago, otherwise, it'd be worse

It is, but is there a cure for it now? From documentary I've seen and read about it's on a whole other lv of deadly.

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Prismsblade posted...

It is, but is there a cure for it now? From documentary I've seen and read about it's on a whole other lv of deadly.

It was probably just as deadly as COVID, if COVID patients had the same level of treatment as back then. Healthcare was primitive by today's standards, antibiotics weren't available back then for secondary infections, and they didn't have the technologically advanced ventilators we have today.

For comparison's sake, it would take 3 million american deaths from COVID to match those that died from spanish flu, if you adjust to population. Luckily that's not even going to come close with the new vaccines approved.

So_Hajile posted...

I overheard someone in a store the other day talking about how "the flu has killed more people than COVID." Of course, she wasn't wearing a mask either.

These people have no fucking clue what influenza even is. They think they had the sniffles once and that's what influenza is.

Covid is only comparable to some of the most viciously deadly influenza strains we have seen. Only one outbreak of influenza in over a century has killed more than covid. The symptoms of that influenza strain (the infamous 1918 Spanish Flu) were so severe that for a while many people didn't think they were even dealing with influenza, they thought it was the black death or some biblical calamity. When that's the only flu we can compare covid to maybe stfu and take covid seriously.

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more blood on trumps tiny hands

But I heard 94% of those are old and half dead people that just happened to get COVID some time before they died. The government is counting them because <unclear>

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DoctorPiranha3 posted...

It was probably just as deadly as COVID, if COVID patients had the same level of treatment as back then. Healthcare was primitive by today's standards, antibiotics weren't available back then for secondary infections, and they didn't have the technologically advanced ventilators we have today.

For comparison's sake, it would take 3 million american deaths from COVID to match those that died from spanish flu, if you adjust to population. Luckily that's not even going to come close with the new vaccines approved.

It targeted and killed the young and strong vs covid that kills generally the old and weak. Not trying to bring darwinism into this but that's objectively far worse for a society then covid.

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Wow, TN had over 11,000 positive tests today. Up until early November, the daily record was around 3,500. A couple of weeks or so it hit nearly 8,000 but has been trailing at a minimum of 4,400 up to 6,500 or so for the most part.

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Prismsblade posted...

It targeted and killed the young and strong vs covid that kills generally the old and weak. Not trying to bring darwinism into this but that's objectively far worse for a society then covid.

Yep that's true. I think there were also more young adults then than there are now. Our population is more aged these days. So basically, it would have been "better" if the COVID and Spanish Flu were flipped.

The personal anguish is real even if you don't consider the pandemic a problem for society at large.

My father was admitted to the hospital Friday due to COVID. He had been sick about a week before that. Over weekend, he trended better but we find out today he's going to the ICU and needs a ventilator. The impression is he is at a 50/50 chance for it to work.

The human cost is real. My family is very small. I only have one sibling and two first cousins. My brother has a four year old niece and she might not get to enjoy having her grandfather. My brother's family is only 2 blocks from my parents. They would get so much time together in the future. I'm sprialing into a borderline depression. I'm burning vacation hours from work because I can't focus. I can't travel home and take care of my mom due to her quarantine nor can I physically give her any sort of support -- nor can I get that sort of comfort either due to social distancing. I can't visit him in the hospital either for the same reasons. I've lived through other family members dying and how much it meant to be close to them during the process. Even if my father lives, being denied that outlet is hurting me.

The economic cost of this is real. My father is a small business man. His primary business is 4th generation in the family. He is the last in the family to have the licenses and training to run it even though he's business partners with his brother. If he dies, the business shuts down and we'll be forced to quickly find a buyer. My mother, a recovering cancer patient, will be in the middle of all of it (if she doesn't catch COVID and die).

You might not think intimate level family suffering matters on the societal scale. It might not on its own. Cumulatively though, it most certainly does. It might not ever touch you or yours, but it still touches the society and communities you exist within, thereby, it does touch you. The worst part is how so much of this feels preventable. The callous disregard for common sense care for the community and its members nationwide makes me question why we even have one. If society does not exist for the collective care and well being of its members, what's the point of having it? We should just break the social contracts and go back to Hobbes' state of nature and declare war of all against all.

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