Current Events > Proof that culture is dying

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A black-and-white film about a 1940s film writer isn't popular among audiences, regardless of its quality? Say it isn't so.

I love Citizen Kane, and it looks interesting, but prestige cinema hardly ever has major, widespread appeal.

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big flop to complain people only like popular films but insinuate its the prime artform for the popularity and $s earned

nobodys dropping billions for the fanny and alexander rerelease

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Zithers posted...

Good movies make money. For example, undeniable cinema such as Mission: Impossible - Fallout.

Yeah remove all superhero movies and the blockbusters you don't like from your argument and tell me if it's still true about the industry making the most money

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Zithers posted...

If you just watch/read/do whatever is most advertised to you then I don't think you are actually drawn to it, you're just more or less being peer pressured into it.

Plus, seeking out things that are not popular and finding genuine enjoyment out of them and rejecting milquetoast popular stuff is a verifiable cool personality trait.

Actually it's called being a smug elitist when you do that

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What does "culture is dying" even mean? Outside of genocide or ethnic diaspora culture doesn't die, it simply evolves and changes.

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Real culture is owning at least 50 Criterion releases, like High and Low, The 39 Steps, Armageddon and All About Eve.
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YoJoe posted...

What does "culture is dying" even mean? Outside of genocide or ethnic diaspora culture doesn't die, it simply evolves and changes.

For TC it's just a catchall term to cry that people are consuming the things he likes

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I thought Little Nicky was a fever dream I had as a kid... Oh shit it's real

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Also CE topics dissolve into personal attacks too easily. Even if you know who someone is, doesn't mean you explicitly stated it as part of the argument

Citizen Kane was considered the most influential movie for most of the 20th century. That's part of the context

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TC does nothing but gatekeep movies and welch smh

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MrKapowski posted...

TC does nothing but gatekeep movies and welch smh

I do wish he'd talk about why movies were good more than how much he likes good movies

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TC honestly gives cinema buffs a bad name. Don't worry guys, I will tell you all about how the world needs to see movies like nomadland while right there with you about how fun blockbusters can be

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WallStreetWolf posted...

TC honestly gives cinema buffs a bad name. Don't worry guys, I will tell you all about how the world needs to see movies like nomadland while right there with you about how fun blockbusters can be

Now I just think you and tc are alts and this is an elaborate ruse

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To get us to like cinema, to be clear

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Balrog0 posted...

Now I just think you and tc are alts and this is an elaborate ruse

IIRC he's a legit movie reviewer.
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TroutPaste posted...

Also CE topics dissolve into personal attacks too easily. Even if you know who someone is, doesn't mean you explicitly stated it as part of the argument

Citizen Kane was considered the most influential movie for most of the 20th century. That's part of the context

And yet Citizen Kane wasn't even in the top 10 highest grossing movies in the year it released. Maybe Honky Tonk was a great cultural movie I dunno.

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Darmik posted...

The movies in the list have the most broad appeal. That's about it.

Those people might and likely do watch other stuff...but it's all spread about and doesn't hit the top ten.

What do you think should be watched instead?

It'd be cool if there were like 2 or 3 grownup movies instead of lowest common denominator/VOD stuff. Doesn't even necessarily have to be good, just give the impression that an effort is being made.

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WallStreetWolf posted...

TC honestly gives cinema buffs a bad name. Don't worry guys, I will tell you all about how the world needs to see movies like nomadland while right there with you about how fun blockbusters can be

you don't come off as much of a cinephile given that you watch like 70% VOD poopoo for your website. you also use a movie *and* a film rating, which makes no sense.

tbh you could stand to watch and review something outside of the modern purview. it'd probably help your perspective as a critic and also you'd get to watch better movies. i mean is the american pie sequel really gonna get *that many* more clicks than a review of, i dunno, an american in paris or il posto or any other number canonical or under the radar older movies.

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Balrog0 posted...

To get us to like cinema, to be clear

ive made threads about old movies

no one posts in them

will make sure to tag you next time

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This is sad, TC. Who are you impressing?

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Zithers posted...

i mean is the american pie sequel really gonna get *that many* more clicks than a review of, i dunno, an american in paris or il posto or any other number canonical or under the radar older movies.

Absolutely yes.

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Hmm, yes. You should watch more outdated movies out of the purview of modern society. Hmm, yes. I am cultured.

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Balrog0 posted...

Now I just think you and tc are alts and this is an elaborate ruse

God no. I can't stand TC. He's actually texted me before saying he enjoys trolling

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Balrog0 posted...

Absolutely yes.

the publicist didnt even reach out to him (it's mentioned in his review he had to request a screener link himself). it has ten RT reviews after two months. two are from major outlets and the others are indie blogs. no one cares about this movie in the slightest. meanwhile film twitter is a large body of people who would definitely be more inclined to click on his review tweet of, i don't know, drive a crooked road, instead of that. like cmon. everyone knows what to expect from a DTV american pie spinoff but... what do you expect from a noir starring mickey rooney? i have no idea. plus it's probably a better movie, which doesn't hurt.

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/r/iamverysmart

Zithers posted...

you don't come off as much of a cinephile given that you watch like 70% VOD poopoo for your website. you also use a movie *and* a film rating, which makes no sense.

tbh you could stand to watch and review something outside of the modern purview. it'd probably help your perspective as a critic and also you'd get to watch better movies. i mean is the american pie sequel really gonna get *that many* more clicks than a review of, i dunno, an american in paris or il posto or any other number canonical or under the radar older movies.

First of all, I choose to watch most of those movies. And some of them end up being decent or good. Shithouse for example is one of the best movies I've seen this year. Same goes for black bear.

Steven Spielberg himself made the distinction between movie and film, but it wouldn't surprise me if your narcissism believes you to be above Spielberg. Even so, that grading scale is not my choice but I see how it's helpful to the average reader. People should always just read the review anyway

You do make a point that critics should always be going back into the vault and watching classics to hone their knowledge and understanding of the craft. But here's the thing. I don't log that stuff on my letterboxd. I only log the stuff I'm watching for review. As for clicks, for what it's worth Stardust actually made me the most money last month. Still not sure how it went viral but yeah

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Steven Spielberg himself made the distinction between movie and film, but it wouldn't surprise me if your narcissism believes you to be above Spielberg

oh you're one of those

Mark_McGrath posted...

oh you're one of those

One of what? I'm not saying Spielberg is the greatest or anything, but that's where the distinction comes from.

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WallStreetWolf posted...

First of all, I choose to watch most of those movies. And some of them end up being decent or good. Shithouse for example is one of the best movies I've seen this year. Same goes for black bear.

Steven Spielberg himself made the distinction between movie and film, but it wouldn't surprise me if your narcissism believes you to be above Spielberg. Even so, that grading scale is not my choice but I see how it's helpful to the average reader. People should always just read the review anyway

You do make a point that critics should always be going back into the vault and watching classics to hone their knowledge and understanding of the craft. But here's the thing. I don't log that stuff on my letterboxd. I only log the stuff I'm watching for review. As for clicks, for what it's worth Stardust actually made me the most money last month. Still not sure how it went viral but yeah

Google isn't bringing up anything about Spielberg noting a difference between the two. Perhaps you could elucidate.

Why don't you log them? Or review them for the site? What have you seen/enjoyed this year?

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Zithers posted...

the publicist didnt even reach out to him (it's mentioned in his review he had to request a screener link himself). it has ten RT reviews after two months. two are from major outlets and the others are indie blogs. no one cares about this movie in the slightest. meanwhile film twitter is a large body of people who would definitely be more inclined to click on his review tweet of, i don't know, drive a crooked road, instead of that. like cmon. everyone knows what to expect from a DTV american pie spinoff but... what do you expect from a noir starring mickey rooney? i have no idea. plus it's probably a better movie, which doesn't hurt.

This is not true. I didn't even know the movie existed until the publicist reached out to me. But I still had to request the movie for access. The movie itself didn't land in my emails, I was asked if I wanted to review it before knowing the movie existed. And yes it did pretty well in views actually because not a lot of other people reviewed it.

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Zithers posted...

Google isn't bringing up anything about Spielberg noting a difference between the two. Perhaps you could elucidate.

Why don't you log them? Or review them for the site? What have you seen/enjoyed this year?

Try finding something on ready player one. He said he makes films and movies, and that this time he made a movie

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WallStreetWolf posted...

One of what? I'm not saying Spielberg is the greatest or anything, but that's where the distinction comes from.

i'm talking about treating the words movie and film as if there is an actual difference besides forced pretentiousness

I'm also just not interested in going down that rabbit hole of reviewing older content. I like to be in the thick of whatever modern releases are coming out no matter what they are. There's also lots of good stuff coming out right now I actually can't keep up. I'm about to watch the dissident

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Mark_McGrath posted...

i'm talking about treating the words movie and film as if there is an actual difference besides forced pretentiousness

Again, it's not my decision. If it was up to me I wouldn't be giving movies any scores

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okay mr scorcese

film vs movie is dumb

now... cinema vs not being cinema.... hell yeah thats where its at

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I also don't think Spielberg is the only one to make that distinction.

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Cinema v not cinema is dumb even if I understand where it's coming from. It's also where I exit this topic because I'm not going to argue for another 50 posts why it doesn't make me any less of a fan of cinema just because I'm pumped to watch wonder woman this week

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TC would be my favorite troll on CE if I didn't think he was genuine. Nevertheless, I enjoy his gimmick. On second thought it makes it even better.

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WallStreetWolf posted...

Cinema v not cinema is dumb even if I understand where it's coming from. It's also where I exit this topic because I'm not going to argue for another 50 posts why it doesn't make me any less of a fan of cinema just because I'm pumped to watch wonder woman this week

got a guy who's afraid to admit he likes stuff that isnt cinema on our hands

the horror

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@Balrog0 what kinda topics would you like for me to make to promote quality cinema

will ask @Jabodie too since he's a loyal fan

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Jabodie posted...

TC would be my favorite troll on CE if I didn't think he was genuine. Nevertheless, I enjoy his gimmick. On second though it makes it even better.

It's a combination of both. He exaggerates things but is also genuine about his beliefs

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Hmm I would be interested to go into tv show content, but idk if that is in your interests.

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tv is bad except for like maybe 10 shows

not really my wheelhouse sorry to say

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Avengers Endgame is cinema and the most successful piece of cinema of all time.

Get seethed cinenerds.

WallStreetWolf posted...

Did you ever stop and think not everyone but hard-core movie fans like us want to watch a black-and-white movie about Herman Mankiewicz, and not others want to resort to comfort food movies during a pandemic? Probably not because your worldview is only limited to your opinions

Ewww. Comfort food is high fat, sodium, carbs etc. Trash. Just like "comfort food" movies are overproduced, uncreative, uninspired trash.

While you're over there watching the Kraft Mac and Cheese of movies like Little Nicky and Captain Underpants, we cultured people are watching the foie gras(minus the animal cruelty) of movies, MANK. And the best part is. We're paying the same price!

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What does that make me if I saw Mank as part of press at the end of October

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Amok and Kastrada are now regular contributors to the server after being the longest QCW holdouts. Harassing ppl to join works!!

also yes these topics are more or less covert attempts to find new people to join instead of actually going to look at the movie boards and sifting through the garbage there

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