Current Events > Matthew McConaughey slams the left that condescend people who voted for Trump

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ledbowman posted...

i wasn't talking about white supremacists. please shut the fuck up

King_Hutton posted...

Hmmm yeah mustve just been random, cant possibly find any connection between racist high school girls 60 years ago and grandmas supporting Trump

ledbowman posted...

a lot are good people raised to believe bad shit, not too bright people who are easily led. i went over this but you ignored it so you can paint people with a broad brush like the clown you are

You were literally responding to a post about white supremacists. Our entire conversation has been about racists and bigots. Everyone responding to you since my first post has been talking about racists.

Now shut the fuck up or respond to this:

TheOtherMike posted...

It doesn't matter why they believe what they believe. We are all responsible for ourselves and our own beliefs. Just because you were taught to hate by someone else doesn't mean you aren't a hateful person. You don't get to shirk responsibility for your own worldview and belief structure.

you're confused because hutton was trying to conflate some girls in a half century old picture with all trump supporters. you can see me trying to get back on track when i said "i already went over this" (referring to a post on that whole page you skipped on your way to calling me a Racist even though the topic title says trump voters)

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This is what happens when money and fame equals power over actual brains. Most of these celebs are just milking it at this point. They really should stand aside so real people can rise up.

MM is 100% right, the left loves to immediately attack anyone who doesn't agree with all of their beliefs.

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The entire government and hollywood is oppressive to real americans. Just think about all the garbage you've been filling your heads with when you could have been living an actual life. These people don't do their jobs. They just stir the pot and get richer.

Lebronwon posted...

towards the other 50 percent

LMAO

He thinks republicans aren't a tyrant minority party

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The simple solution is stop living your life through the government or celebrities. And actually get a life. What's unfortunate is the mass loads of people who really do think they have control over other people and are brainwashed by this junk.

Fuck their revisionist history


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kg88222 posted...

The entire government and hollywood is oppressive to real americans. Just think about all the garbage you've been filling your heads with when you could have been living an actual life. These people don't do their jobs. They just stir the pot and get richer.

Actors definitely do their job, and entertainment is important to society. The problem is them thinking their job makes their voice matter more. Money fucks with people's self-importance.

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ledbowman posted...

you're confused because hutton was trying to conflate some girls in a half century old picture with all trump supporters.

I'm not confused, he was drawing a valid parallel that you consistently handwaved.

The rest of your post is accusation based on assumption. I read everything you're accusing me of skipping. I literally never called you racist. It would seem insults are all you have. Care to try again explaining why racists aren't responsible for their own shitty beliefs?

he wasn't drawing a valid parallel, he was trying to say all trump voters are white supremacists from 1962

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kg88222 posted...

They really should stand aside so real people can rise up.

#GamersRiseUp ?

TheOtherMike posted...

Care to try again explaining why racists aren't responsible for their own shitty beliefs?

You also owe me an apology for saying I called you racist.

If it was Christian Bale I might have cared.

Heavy_D_Forever posted...

MM is 100% right, the left loves to immediately attack anyone who doesn't agree with all of their beliefs.

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BeantownHero posted...

Fuck their revisionist history

Yeah these guys playing victims is sad

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Spoken from pure privilege. Am I the only one thats allowed with political labeling? I mean youve got people who was equality and an easier life and then youve got people who only care about what effects them personally. Radical lefts liberals and right winged conservatives are over used terms that among many others these past 4 years have been engraved into peoples vocabularies.

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ProbesInRobes posted...

The left gonna pretend they didn't spend four years claiming Trump was illegitimate?

Here's a member of Trump's campaign staff outright admitting to colluding with someone he believed to be an attorney for the Russian government. He also initially lied about the nature of the meeting.

https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/884789418455953413


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King_Hutton posted...

Why does think for himself always mean say dumb shit?

What did he say that was stupid exactly? Im not being inflammatory; Im just curious because it seemed like a logical response. I dont think he meant 50% as in literal half, but as in a Democrats are one half and Republicans are the other half type of way. He was saying that the left was in denial after the election in 16 and now the right is in denial in 20. He said its hypocritical to tell the right to just get over it when they didnt in 16.

The right is being just as hypocritical by NOT getting over it like they told the left to do in 16 also. The point, at least to me, is that we shouldnt be so dismissive or insulting of each other across the board. At the same time, reading it isnt the same as hearing it, so Ill admit maybe Im missing some context or a tone?

People live in these echo chambers and forget people with different backgrounds, values, beliefs, etc are even out there. At the end of the day, I think most people just want to be left alone. I mean, thats what this country was founded on, right? Freedom of religion, expression, etc. Showing compassion to someone with differing views is an important part of being human.

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Dark Z3ro posted...

What did he say that was stupid exactly? Im not being inflammatory; Im just curious because it seemed like a logical response. I dont think he meant 50% as in literal half, but as in a Democrats are one half and Republicans are the other half type of way. He was saying that the left was in denial after the election in 16 and now the right is in denial in 20. He said its hypocritical to tell the right to just get over it when they didnt in 16.

The right is being just as hypocritical by NOT getting over it like they told the left to do in 16 also. The point, at least to me, is that we shouldnt be so dismissive or insulting of each other across the board. At the same time, reading it isnt the same as hearing it, so Ill admit maybe Im missing some context or a tone?

People live in these echo chambers and forget people with different backgrounds, values, beliefs, etc are even out there. At the end of the day, I think most people just want to be left alone. I mean, thats what this country was founded on, right? Freedom of religion, expression, etc. Showing compassion to someone with differing views is an important part of being human.

More people like you

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Dark Z3ro posted...

What did he say that was stupid exactly?

Equating baseless conspiracy theories of a rigged election with proven and admitted claims of Russian interference for one thing.

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Irony posted...

Stop defending white supremacists

So nearly half of the United States of America population are white supremacists because they voted for Trump?

This is what you just said right?

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Serious Cat posted...

Equating baseless conspiracy theories of a rigged election with proven and admitted claims of Russian interference for one thing.

He even mentioned that he understands theres a difference because theyre being fed all fake news they can handle. He seemed to be giving a very thoughtful response and just wants people to be more understanding and compassionate. Putting people down doesnt get us anywhere. True communication does. We cant make progress if we cant communicate. When communication breaks down entirely we run into very serious problems. Much more serious than were even already dealing with now.

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Ilishe posted...

So nearly half of the United States of America population are white supremacists because they voted for Trump?

First of all, let's get the lie you said out of the way:

It is not half of the United States population that voted for Trump. It was less than a third of the eligible voting population. With over 234 million eligible voters in the country, over 74 million voted for Trump. That's just under 32 percent.

But heck. I'll say it:

Every person who voted for Donald Trump is a white supremacist

Or

Cares so little about the direction of our nation's governmental structure due to comfort, isolation, apathy, or any combination thereof, that they see no personal issue with allowing the country to become an overt white supremacist state.

Which in the grand scheme of things, doesn't have much of an end difference.

The tragedy of America isn't "we have to deal with people calling other people white supremacists". The tragedy is "we have to deal with the fact that we have millions of white supremacists".

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Dark Z3ro posted...

What did he say that was stupid exactly? Im not being inflammatory; Im just curious because it seemed like a logical response. I dont think he meant 50% as in literal half, but as in a Democrats are one half and Republicans are the other half type of way. He was saying that the left was in denial after the election in 16 and now the right is in denial in 20. He said its hypocritical to tell the right to just get over it when they didnt in 16.

The right is being just as hypocritical by NOT getting over it like they told the left to do in 16 also. The point, at least to me, is that we shouldnt be so dismissive or insulting of each other across the board. At the same time, reading it isnt the same as hearing it, so Ill admit maybe Im missing some context or a tone?

People live in these echo chambers and forget people with different backgrounds, values, beliefs, etc are even out there. At the end of the day, I think most people just want to be left alone. I mean, thats what this country was founded on, right? Freedom of religion, expression, etc. Showing compassion to someone with differing views is an important part of being human.

Because it comes down to him saying this and this is stupid:
King_Hutton posted...

Stop being mean to people who dont think everyone deserves human rights. They went out of their way to read fake news and now they dont know what to believe when confronted with reality.

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I actually agree with them 100%.

waterjoe posted...

I actually agree with them 100%.

because you're a white supremacist?

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Outer_space posted...

alt-right, alt-right, alt-right

Lmao

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A rich person defending trump , guess those capital gains tax cut got all the rich backing him

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Jagr_68 posted...

Dude's a Jesus freak and Trump voter so whatever, dgaf what he says.

lol you didnt even read it.

its ridiculous we cant treat people
like people because of how they voted

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SSMajinVegeta2 posted...

we cant treat people
like people because

some of us can

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King_Hutton posted...

We need to be having conversations. Trump is, by all accounts, a terrible person, but he goes against the status quo of what the US government is, and because the government has failed its people in so many ways, for so long, he was able to get elected. People are scared; this is a scary time for not just us, but the world at large, and because of that fear its leading to more and more division.

You know when you see a movie or play a game and theres that one character that just keeps fucking things up for everyone because they refuse to communicate? (May seem like a weird thing to bring up, but Im currently going through the new Planet of the Apes trilogy, so its fresh in my mind).

Thats the situation we find ourselves in when we react this way. Positive change comes from meaningful conversations. The fact is, its being pushed that everyone who voted for Trump is alt right and that the people that voted for Biden either did so JUST because they hate Trump or theyre some kind of far left extremist.

In reality though, most people reside somewhere in the middle. Its a spectrum. I myself am very pro human rights, womans rights; Im about environmental programs and many other things that are of the typical Democratic platform as well as the right to own firearms (although I currently own zero, I feel its everyones right to defend themselves in the best way possible) which is very much a Republican view.

The world is not black and white; its very gray. I want to see everyone have the chance to be happy, healthy, and successful, but we wont get there this way. This country has gone from Democrat to Republican, back and forth, for generations and things arent getting better. The war on drugs is the biggest failure in our countrys recent history (notice I said recent as it Pales in comparison to so many of the atrocities regarding the Natives and Slavery).

We need to be better. We need our representation to be better, and we need to hold them accountable, both sides. Any time I meet anyone who identifies with one party or another and votes that way no matter what, site unseen, its difficult to converse with them because their minds are made up before the conversation begins.

Im personally very happy with Trump losing; I couldnt stand the thought of another 4 years of him being in office, but Im not thrilled by the prospect of Biden. Hes been voted in on a platform of doing better, and we, the American people need to hold him and the rest of the government to that. But lets not let the government or media separate us into factions. Polarizing us to one side or the other so that were blind to whats happening. Were much stronger United than we are divided.

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ce libs only care about this shit as far as they can self-righteously dunk on the evil bad guy team. they will only ever want to look at it as black and white like star wars

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Russia are the ones pushing Joe is Senile scam

check it out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gm-FhSUFb6o

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Dark Z3ro posted...

Positive change comes from meaningful conversations.

Positive change comes from meaningful actions, which can include meaningful conversations (talking is an action), but is not limited to that.

How many families have been torn apart these last several years because the "meaningful conversations" were attempted and got stonewalled by a tidal wave of propaganda and fake news engineered by Republicans and those who back them? Do you think there have been no attempts at "meaningful conversations"? We've been trying since the Obama administration, and look where it got us.

There comes a time when we say "okay, we'll drag you into this whether you like it or not", make the meaningful changes to better our lives, and let the results speak for themselves.

To that end...
Dark Z3ro posted...

things arent getting better

This is demonstrably false. Working conditions, quality of food and drugs, civil rights, all have improved dramatically in the last 70 years, often against the wishes of many Americans, and particularly the wealthy, powerful, and conservative.

Every so often the stars align and we all agree on something that needs improving, but more often than not, government has to step in and mandate it, and people cry and scream about it, and we press on despite that.

At the end of the day, if you want to shift us all to a lighter shade of gray, then jockeying for those changes will do more than sitting down with Racist Grandpa or Carl the Internet Troll.

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ledbowman posted...

ce libs only care about this shit as far as they can self-righteously dunk on the evil bad guy team. they will only ever want to look at it as black and white like star wars

Good, good... I can feel your anger.

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We need to have conversations with people who oppose human rights and figure out why theyre like that and see what we can do to make them change - true

We need to treat people who oppose human rights as delicate little angels who just accidentally supported a fascist - false

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CyricZ posted...

Positive change comes from meaningful actions, which can include meaningful conversations (talking is an action), but is not limited to that.

How many families have been torn apart these last several years because the "meaningful conversations" were attempted and got stonewalled by a tidal wave of propaganda and fake news engineered by Republicans and those who back them? Do you think there have been no attempts at "meaningful conversations"? We've been trying since the Obama administration, and look where it got us.

There comes a time when we say "okay, we'll drag you into this whether you like it or not", make the meaningful changes to better our lives, and let the results speak for themselves.

To that end...

This is demonstrably false. Working conditions, quality of food and drugs, civil rights, all have improved dramatically in the last 70 years, often against the wishes of many Americans, and particularly the wealthy, powerful, and conservative.

Every so often the stars align and we all agree on something that needs improving, but more often than not, government has to step in and mandate it, and people cry and scream about it, and we press on despite that.

At the end of the day, if you want to shift us all to a lighter shade of gray, then jockeying for those changes will do more than sitting down with Racist Grandpa or Carl the Internet Troll.

You make good points. What I meant by things havent gotten better is within the government itself in regards to listening to its people and what they want (good examples would be health care and drugs). Thankfully states have been doing a decent job of pushing at least the drug issue so we can get these people out of prison that honestly dont deserve to be in there with rapists and murderers). I should have been more specific, but this medium isnt the best at conveying certain things.

Most of what has improved has been from purely scientific advancement rather than policy changes etc. Civil rights have improved, things have gotten better for minorities, but theyre not at all the way they should be. Wages have gone up, but no where near the same as inflation, so thats a bit skewed. So many people are disenfranchised, and its getting worse again with so many business owners going under and people losing their jobs/homes because of Covid and everything associated with it. Its fucking tragic, and our administration has failed us.

I love that you mention that conversations are an action; I appreciate it. Its really the first step. Im not saying it ends there by any means. Im just saying we cant come together on a solution if we cant speak to each other without insults or accusing people we dont know of things we cant possibly be sure of. Empathy is so important in all facets of life.

I do think however, by having those conversations we make meaningful change. Its small scale, but if were all doing it it really adds up. I cant tell you how many people Ive sat down with that have had extremist views and really listened to them and then them really listen to me where Ive at the very least changed their perspective. But you cant change someones perspective by calling them stupid. At that point they wont hear anything you have to say. People tend to shut down or retaliate when they feel attacked.

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ledbowman posted...

ce libs only care about this shit as far as they can self-righteously dunk on the evil bad guy team. they will only ever want to look at it as black and white like star wars

BeantownHero posted...

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Dark Z3ro posted...

We need to be having conversations. Trump is, by all accounts, a terrible person, but he goes against the status quo of what the US government is, and because the government has failed its people in so many ways, for so long, he was able to get elected. People are scared; this is a scary time for not just us, but the world at large, and because of that fear its leading to more and more division.

I'm sorry, but if your idea of sticking it to the system is to pick a candidate with zero redeeming leadership qualities whose whole campaign was based around the idea of blaming specific groups of people for America's problems and coming up with insane, nonsensical plans that would never come to fruition to deal with them, and who would immediately make America into a sad joke in the rest of the worlds' eyes, you really don't actually have anything to stand on.

It was immediately clear during Trump's campaign that he was not a leader and he had no clue what the fuck he was talking about. He had, by far, the most lie- and hate-filled campaign in the history of the nation. There was no reason he should have gotten the Republican nomination, nor was there one he should should have won over Hillary Clinton, other than people being too dumb to understand what qualities a President needs to have.

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meralone you can use your words at me instead of just drive by vagueposting a picture that doesn't address anything i said

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the_rowan posted...

I'm sorry, but if your idea of sticking it to the system is to pick a candidate with zero redeeming leadership qualities whose whole campaign was based around the idea of blaming specific groups of people for America's problems and coming up with insane, nonsensical plans that would never come to fruition to deal with them, and who would immediately make America into a sad joke in the rest of the worlds' eyes, you really don't actually have anything to stand on.

It was immediately clear during Trump's campaign that he was not a leader and he had no clue what the fuck he was talking about. He had, by far, the most lie- and hate-filled campaign in the history of the nation. There was no reason he should have gotten the Republican nomination, nor was there one he should should have won over Hillary Clinton, other than people being too dumb to understand what qualities a President needs to have.

In all honesty, most of our leaders havent been good the last generation or so. At least while Ive been alive. Clinton is likely a pedophile who ran with Epstein, Bush got us into a war were still fighting to this day, Obama failed to make meaningful change, and Trump is an absolute idiot with a god complex. I mean, look at what Biden has done, calling black men super predators and Harris keeping inmates locked up longer for free labor and blocking evidence that would have people released.

Career politicians making a career in politics isnt healthy. The best leaders dont want to be in power, which is what makes things so difficult. The people we need in charge are the ones that arent running, at least for the most part (I cant pretend to know everything about everyone thats thrown their hat in the ring). The system is messed up.

The point Im making is that its this black and white viewpoint stuff that keeps perpetuating the same things. Youre either with me or against me. Thats not a healthy mindset. Im not arguing that EVERYONE can be reasoned with. But once again, attacking people is the fastest way to get them to not listen.

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ledbowman posted...

meralone you can use your words at me instead of just drive by vagueposting a picture that doesn't address anything i said

So you're asking them to have a "meaningful conversation" with this:

ledbowman posted...

ce libs only care about this shit as far as they can self-righteously dunk on the evil bad guy team. they will only ever want to look at it as black and white like star wars

How about you start with a good opener if you're begging for some actual debate?

Wanting someone to "use their words" requires you to use good ones too. We don't have to cater to a poor attempt.

Which is another greater point about this discussion: the demand for civility by a group who makes an identity around being uncivil.

If you want to be a self-righteous dunker about "self-righteous dunkers", you will get the return in kind.

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Fuck your feelings. Think of mine.

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lol more evasive "no u" hand waving. shocker

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Nobody that constantly applies forced mental gymnastics to literally every valid point you make is looking for meaningful conversation.

Raikuro posted...

Nobody that constantly applies forced mental gymnastics to literally every valid point you make is looking for meaningful conversation.

yeah, non sequiturs and conflating are 2 of their favorite tactics

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Dark Z3ro posted...

The point Im making is that its this black and white viewpoint stuff that keeps perpetuating the same things. Youre either with me or against me. Thats not a healthy mindset. Im not arguing that EVERYONE can be reasoned with. But once again, attacking people is the fastest way to get them to not listen.

How do you suggest dealing with people who dont think everyone deserves human rights?

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ledbowman posted...

yeah, non sequiturs and conflating are 2 of their favorite tactics

So, you want a response to...

ledbowman posted...

ce libs only care about this shit as far as they can self-righteously dunk on the evil bad guy team. they will only ever want to look at it as black and white like star wars

Here's the response:

I do care beyond that. Prove I don't.


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King_Hutton posted...

How do you suggest dealing with people who dont think everyone deserves human rights?

Beat education into their heads until they change?

Except they chose to come to those conclusions, and then radical centrists would accuse you of being too preachy and self-important.

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