Current Events > Are we witnessing the downfall of America?

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Not just America

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ex2wing posted...

Not just America

True

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Trump lost, so no.

CaptainMarvel95 posted...

Trump lost, so no.

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CaptainMarvel95 posted...

Trump lost, so no.

Biden isn't exactly the change we needed though.

This pandemic should have been an opportunity to rethink what we're doing as a country but instead it's just going to be more status quo

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Hard to say. I think it will be easier to tell once this pandemic is under control and we watch how things play out after that

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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Biden isn't exactly the change we needed though.

This pandemic should have been an opportunity to rethink what we're doing as a country but instead it's just going to be more status quo

Stablization is the step we need unless your one of them there dumbass anarchists.

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ZeroX91 posted...

Stablization is the step we need unless your one of them there dumbass anarchists.

What we need is somebody that's not gonna let the Republicans make them their bitch because they're the ones that have been fucking over everybody

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No, we're witnessing America taking its mask off, revealing a monstrous smiling face, and putting on a top hat while candles ominously alight by themselves, in preparation for the big villain song.

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IShall_Run_Amok posted...

No, we're witnessing America taking its mask off, revealing a monstrous smiling face, and putting on a top hat while candles ominously alight by themselves, in preparation for the big villain song.

So this is the Senate scene from Revenge of the Sith

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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Biden isn't exactly the change we needed though.

It's silly to make these kinds of statements when everything has yet to unfold

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Trump, despite endless mongering, didn't actually do much of anything while President. A Biden Presidency will likely be similar. He might declare a war or two but not against anyone that can actually fight back. In terms of politics I don't think much will change and status quo isn't really a downfall. In terms of the economy? Well, things certainly don't look good and are only likely to get worse. But that's going to hurt most of the world not just the US.

Grischnak posted...

Trump, despite endless mongering, didn't actually do much of anything while President.

2020 alone is enough to cover for 4 years of a shitty Presidency.

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Never should have left the gold standard.

Grischnak posted...

He might declare a war or two but not against anyone that can actually fight back.

wat

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Doom_Art posted...

It's silly to make these kinds of statements when everything has yet to unfold

I mean we already know that no stimulus money is coming and we already know Biden is trying to compromise with the same Republicans that have stonewalled any kind of relief for the American people.

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Were dipping to uppercut the competition

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Absolutely. This attempted coup, though it may have been ultimately farcical and ineffectual, and the rightwing in this country have set the stage for our future demise.

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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

So this is the Senate scene from Revenge of the Sith

Well that's a much less dignified way of putting it, but its also more accurate I suppose, for that reason.

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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

I mean we already know that no stimulus money is coming and we already know Biden is trying to compromise with the same Republicans that have stonewalled any kind of relief for the American people.

we don't know anything

especially in the grand massive historical sense

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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/30/opinion/trump-conspiracy-germany-1918.html

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Doom_Art posted...

we don't know anything

especially in the grand massive historical sense

Of course we don't fully know what's going to happen. But we can reasonably make predictions based off of what we know about our leadership.

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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

But we can reasonably make predictions

are we doing that

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Doom_Art posted...

are we doing that

Yeah...thats why this topic is framed as a poll and not a factual statement

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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Biden isn't exactly the change we needed though.

This pandemic should have been an opportunity to rethink what we're doing as a country but instead it's just going to be more status quo

Still better than having Trump in office for another 4 years.
He's the biggest shit stain of a president in the last century.

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Idk about the downfall but theres definitely a big freeze-up on the horizon when the student loan, healthcare, and housing bubbles all burst

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KINDERFELD posted...

Still better than having Trump in office for another 4 years.
He's the biggest shit stain of a president in the last century.

Oh for sure

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KINDERFELD posted...

Still better than having Trump in office for another 4 years.
He's the biggest shit stain of a president in the last century.

It always amazes me when people say stuff like this. He's not even the worst President in the last 20 years let alone century. I don't care if you're on the left or right, I don't see how you can say Trump is worse than Bush and have any idea what you're talking about.

Grischnak posted...

It always amazes me when people say stuff like this. He's not even the worst President in the last 20 years let alone century. I don't care if you're on the left or right, I don't see how you can say Trump is worse than Bush and have any idea what you're talking about.

Trumpeteer doesn't think Trump is a bad president, more at 11.

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Phynaster posted...

Trumpeteer doesn't think Trump is a bad president, more at 11.

Excellent strawman. I think Bush is worse then Trump therefore I think Trump is the best President ever, right? Were you even alive when Bush was President? I'm betting no.

Nothing is inevitable, but the indicators are poor. The Senate is an anti-democratic veto point which absurdly overweights small, rural states, the Electoral College is much the same, and Republicans have disproportionate power at the state level(and likely will continue to have disproportionate power, for the next decade, at least) and in the courts.
This will inevitably force Democratic presidents to be increasingly reliant on executive power to get things done. The Republicans will become increasingly anti-democratic, and continued institutional decay will likely increasingly lower the bar on a potentially fatal break.

To make matters worse, the Democrats are currently heavily invested in the idea that things are fundamentally fine and no major reforms are required.

What I can tell you is that, before October 16th, 1859, no one thought a Civil War was particularly likely, and yet, a little over a year later, South Carolina seceded. Thats the fun: its almost always impossible to tell when the breaking point happens until afterwards.

It's not even a question, America is declining quickly

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Grischnak posted...

It always amazes me when people say stuff like this. He's not even the worst President in the last 20 years let alone century. I don't care if you're on the left or right, I don't see how you can say Trump is worse than Bush and have any idea what you're talking about.

Seems like you fell out the basket and ended up on CE.

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Grischnak posted...

Excellent strawman. I think Bush is worse then Trump therefore I think Trump is the best President ever, right? Were you even alive when Bush was President? I'm betting no.

Bush was bad for international affairs, but nothing during his term has been as bad as COVID domestically.

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some will be fucked, some will be fine

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Looks remarkably like the fall of Rome. We are just shy of the, "Armed supporters roaming the streets" step. Turns out Populists are really scary for the future of stable governments.

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