Current Events > Can someone explain why bringing up Elliot's Page old name is bad?

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cjsdowg
12/01/20 2:46:14 PM
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It is called deadnaming and seemingly it is something very bad. I don't understand why it is a bad thing, can someone clue me in on the issue .

Like this post said Elliot Page (formerly known as ____ Page) blah blah blah. And people got really mad at this. On twitter .

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Edit. I think there is a disconnect from my question and what people are answering. I am not at all asking why it is wrong to call someone the wrong name. I i understand stand. But this just happen and people saying ____ Page just changed his name to Elliot . I am talking that stuff not going at of your way only call someone the wrong name.

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nothanks1
12/01/20 2:47:06 PM
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hey man I know this is hard but I typed in deadnaming into a SEARCH ENGINE called GOOGLE

This was the SECOND link!!!!!

https://www.healthline.com/health/transgender/deadnaming
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FlameTurtle
12/01/20 2:47:18 PM
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Do you really need someone to explain this to you

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The Trent
12/01/20 2:47:33 PM
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it's not unlike talking about muhammed ali and calling him cassius clay, essentially
are you talking about it in the context of that individual's story and history?
if no you're probably being obtuse about it, either on purpose or not

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JimmyFraska
12/01/20 2:47:37 PM
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If you're referring to them as that previous name, that is the issue I believe.

But in that example, where it's a story about the transition and it points out that it was formerly Ellen Page, I don't see the issue. It's just telling us who this is vs the name we knew them by before.
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Kaiganeer
12/01/20 2:47:38 PM
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the actress ellen page appeared in the movie "juno" in 2007
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MrToothHasYou
12/01/20 2:48:07 PM
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Using a trans persons deadname can trigger dysphoria, which is harmful to trans people.

Simple as that.

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MC_BatCommander
12/01/20 2:48:16 PM
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Because it is insensitive and demeaning to transgender people.

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Jeff AKA Snoopy
12/01/20 2:48:29 PM
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I feel for such a recent transition it is fine so people know the previous name this person went by.

Calling Caitlin Jenner "Bruce" would be dead naming.

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RetsuZaiZen
12/01/20 2:48:33 PM
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nothanks1 posted...
hey man I know this is hard but I typed in deadnaming into a SEARCH ENGINE called GOOGLE

This was the SECOND link!!!!!

https://www.healthline.com/health/transgender/deadnaming

So why is lmgtfy banned when this is essentially the same thing? lol

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DeadBankerDream
12/01/20 2:48:48 PM
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Deadnaming is holding a trans person captive to a personality they don't subscribe to just because the person doing so is "inconvenienced" to have to learn a new name. No, you shouldn't beat yourself up about letting it slip (silly people might disagree), but you should make the effort not to.
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The Trent
12/01/20 2:49:13 PM
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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...
I feel for such a recent transition it is fine so people know the previous name this person went by.

Calling Caitlin Jenner "Bruce" would be dead naming.

hey buddy please don't go zombie naming all willy nilly

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SevenTenths
12/01/20 2:49:25 PM
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Does it matter why? Do you have any meaningful reason to intentionally use the name they wish to not go by anymore?

If no, you just found the why. If yes, your head is probably up your ass and you also found the why.

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nothanks1
12/01/20 2:49:35 PM
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RetsuZaiZen posted...

So why is lmgtfy banned when this is essentially the same thing? lol

lmgtfy is just trolling
I recognized TC might not know what a search engine is and did the searching for him and provided the answer
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ekie
12/01/20 2:49:56 PM
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cjsdowg posted...
It is called deadnaming and seemingly it is something very bad. I don't understand why it is a bad thing, can someone clue me in on the issue .

Like this post said Elliot Page (formerly known as ____ Page) blah blah blah. And people got really mad at this. On twitter .

Because feelings.

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Hayame Zero
12/01/20 2:52:17 PM
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JimmyFraska posted...
If you're referring to them as that previous name, that is the issue I believe.

But in that example, where it's a story about the transition and it points out that it was formerly Ellen Page, I don't see the issue. It's just telling us who this is vs the name we knew them by before.
Basically this. Deadnaming is when you continue to call them by their former name in the present.

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WingsOfGood
12/01/20 2:52:59 PM
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it is the same as using the wrong pronoun
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nemu
12/01/20 2:53:07 PM
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I understand in a low profile case where one has abandoned the perception of their previously expressed gender to the point where nobody meeting them for the first time would know, but it seems kind of silly to hold the same standard to celebrities. Obvious exceptions would be purposely using that name to their face or absolutely refusing to use their new name in discussion.
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Neckhomachus
12/01/20 2:53:21 PM
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ekie posted...
Because feelings.
heaven forbid
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VipaGTS
12/01/20 2:53:32 PM
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He doesnt want to be called that anymore. Is it too hard to respect their wishes?

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hockeybub89
12/01/20 2:54:32 PM
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This instance literally just happened, but would you like if people insisted on calling you like the wrong name? Like if you were Robert and people kept calling you Bobby? Or you changed your last name for a reason and they refused to recognize that?

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I4NRulez
12/01/20 2:55:14 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
This instance literally just happened, but would you like if people insisted on calling you like the wrong name? Like if you were Robert and people kept calling you Bobby? Or you changed your last name for a reason and they refused to recognize that?

people say my name wrong all the time. Its way more complicated than that lol

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ekie
12/01/20 2:55:16 PM
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VipaGTS posted...
He doesnt want to be called that anymore. Is it too hard to respect their wishes?

The better question is should it be mandatory?

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RetsuZaiZen
12/01/20 2:55:33 PM
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nothanks1 posted...
lmgtfy is just trolling
I recognized TC might not know what a search engine is and did the searching for him and provided the answer

its trolling all the same wtf lol

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The Trent
12/01/20 2:55:42 PM
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ekie posted...
The better question is should it be mandatory?

like...you go to jail if you don't do it?
define mandatory

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nothanks1
12/01/20 2:56:12 PM
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RetsuZaiZen posted...


its trolling all the same wtf lol

I gave an answer, anon
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VipaGTS
12/01/20 2:56:43 PM
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ekie posted...
The better question is should it be mandatory?
Its not mandatory. But people will rightfully call you out for it. What if someone went around calling you the wrong name in a demeaning way all day? Youll say now you dont care blah blah blah, but when it happens all the time and you know people are just doing it to get under your skin it gets annoying. Respect people. Its not hard.

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I4NRulez
12/01/20 2:57:17 PM
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ekie posted...
The better question is should it be mandatory?

I mean its not mandatory but you should respect their wishes and overall just try not to be a dick

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CyricZ
12/01/20 2:57:25 PM
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You of all people.

Why are you doing this.

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ekie
12/01/20 2:57:44 PM
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The Trent posted...
like...you go to jail if you don't do it?
define mandatory

Like hate crime for using their original name? Or even at the very least mod-able?

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nothanks1
12/01/20 2:57:54 PM
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CyricZ posted...
You of all people.

Why are you doing this.

same reason tc likes to 'quote' articles about cops and racism and leaving out details that proves him to be lying
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hockeybub89
12/01/20 2:58:01 PM
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ekie posted...
Because feelings.
I will start referring to people who refuses to acknowledge pronouns or new names by the opposite gender and see how they like it.

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The Trent
12/01/20 2:58:06 PM
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ekie posted...
Like hate crime for using their original name? Or even at the very least a mod-able?


what


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Smashingpmkns
12/01/20 2:58:47 PM
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Dunno why some people make it look so hard to not be a sack of shit when it really isn't all that hard.
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ekie
12/01/20 3:00:09 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
I will start referring to people who refuses to acknowledge pronouns or new names by the opposite gender and see how they like it.

Most will give you a weird look and continue on with their lives.

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DeadBankerDream
12/01/20 3:00:26 PM
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Why is this ekie guy being the absolute worst?
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VipaGTS
12/01/20 3:01:41 PM
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DeadBankerDream posted...
Why is this ekie guy being the absolute worst?
Bigots who dont want to admit it. A trans person is a threat to them somehow lol.

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Orchestrion
12/01/20 3:02:30 PM
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DeadBankerDream posted...
Why is this ekie guy being the absolute worst?

Old account that will never be meaningfully punished = free pass to be bigoted on CE

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FlameTurtle
12/01/20 3:03:09 PM
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DeadBankerDream posted...
Why is this ekie guy being the absolute worst?
They probably got modded in the other topic and are super salty about it

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ekie
12/01/20 3:05:23 PM
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FlameTurtle posted...
They probably got modded in the other topic and are super salty about it

Nope and nope

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Neckhomachus
12/01/20 3:06:00 PM
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ekie posted...
Nope and nope
your post calling him "she" seems to have disappeared from that thread tho
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Blue_Inigo
12/01/20 3:11:13 PM
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"Guys why is being an asshole bad???"

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Veggeta X
12/01/20 3:12:35 PM
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I still call Meta World Peace - Ron Arrest some times

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ekie
12/01/20 3:13:06 PM
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Veggeta X posted...
I still call Meta World Peace - Ron Arrest some times

Mooooodddsssss!!!!

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The Trent
12/01/20 3:13:33 PM
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Veggeta X posted...
I still call Meta World Peace - Ron Arrest some times

hm

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Veggeta X
12/01/20 3:14:29 PM
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Artest. Fucking auto correct

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Neckhomachus
12/01/20 3:14:55 PM
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Conflict posted...
Keeping up the recurring trend of ? Blocks posting like absolute morons, I see.
yeah it's bizarre. he's not Keith but he kind of has that weird grandiose vibe like Keith. idk why so many of them do that
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The Trent
12/01/20 3:15:00 PM
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well it made for great irony

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