Current Events > Elliot Page (Ellen Page) comes out as trans

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nothanks1
12/01/20 2:00:45 PM
#159:


Pus_N_Pecans posted...

That's how I'd describe it personally in a more general sense, but it's probably best to ask the individual how they would describe it themselves since they might have a different way of describing it.

I get you.
I was just thrown for a confusion turn since I followed up to non-binaryand was like "so transgender but... non-binary"
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R1masher
12/01/20 2:01:36 PM
#160:


Crescente posted...
This topic is not going to end well >.>

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skermac
12/01/20 2:01:40 PM
#161:


How do we refer to eliot before coming out? When hecwas ellen do we still call him he? I honestly dont know, can someone clarify?

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ZeroX91
12/01/20 2:01:56 PM
#162:


nothanks1 posted...
oh yes
Ellen Page came out as transgender to be popular
Because being given death threats and rape threats are what Ellen Page needed so Ellen Page renamed himself Elliot and said "hey I'm trans now, that'll get me the big bucks in the new Star Wars"

oh yes sir
100% agreed
/s
Dont act like there arent a fuck ton of em not getting their dopamine hits like they need. Remember the Imagine trend or all the bizzare shit people been sayin on twitter? Not saying shes making it up or the like just the timing if you get me.

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Neckhomachus
12/01/20 2:02:19 PM
#163:


skermac posted...
How do we refer to eliot before coming out? When hecwas ellen do we still call him he? I honestly dont know, can someone clarify?
Still he. That's also been covered. You seem off.
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Funkydog
12/01/20 2:03:13 PM
#164:


ZeroX91 posted...
Bisexual is neither a gender or a sex. Its an attraction like hetero or homo.
I never claimed it was a gender or sex.

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BeyondWalls
12/01/20 2:03:18 PM
#165:


WingsOfGood posted...
Why not?
Because the story is in a very specific place and ended on a cliffhanger in an alternate timeline where Vanya is homeless and possibly about to be murdered. Kind of a super weird time for the character of Vanya to transition.

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WingsOfGood
12/01/20 2:03:23 PM
#166:


BeyondWalls posted...
Somewhere an Umbrella Academy producer is screaming into an empty bag of Doritos.

I mean, its great Eliot found himself. But were talking about an industry where getting a new hairstyle can be seen as a contract violation. Some high profile stars arent even allowed to breath wrong for fear that their insurance company will drop them if the studio sues. I wouldnt be surprised at all if Netflix doesnt just quietly cancel Umbrella Academy a few months from now. They are now in a no-win scenario. Every single choice will lead to a backlash from some other group. Forcing Eliot to play a woman and not working in a trans character? Backlash. Drastically rewriting source material to incorporate Eliot? Backlash. Recasting a trans actor? Backlash. Having Vanya living off screen? Backlash. Theres no way out.

Not like they are taking hormone pills as far as I know.
The same physical body that played Vanya is still the same that will play Vanya.
And tbh, people already said they kinda looked like a dude and had male balding before this anyways.
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nothanks1
12/01/20 2:03:50 PM
#167:


skermac posted...
How do we refer to eliot before coming out? When hecwas ellen do we still call him he? I honestly dont know, can someone clarify?

It honestly depends on what he wants, everyone is different.
But if you mean in terms of 'please mods, don't ban me' then just go with he even when talking about parts he played in the past, like a pregnant teenage girl in Juno.
Please someone tell the alt right about the fact a TRANSGENDER person played a pregnant teenage girl in a movie and show me the reaction after we point out said person is ftm
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BLAKUboy
12/01/20 2:03:50 PM
#168:


Oh good, this has become yet another "I'm JuSt AsKiNg QuEsTiOnS!!1!" topic.

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Zikten
12/01/20 2:04:10 PM
#169:


I can now say I used to have a crush on a dude
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ZeroX91
12/01/20 2:04:29 PM
#170:


BeyondWalls posted...
Somewhere an Umbrella Academy producer is screaming into an empty bag of Doritos.

I mean, its great Eliot found himself. But were talking about an industry where getting a new hairstyle can be seen as a contract violation. Some high profile stars arent even allowed to breath wrong for fear that their insurance company will drop them if the studio sues. I wouldnt be surprised at all if Netflix doesnt just quietly cancel Umbrella Academy a few months from now. They are now in a no-win scenario. Every single choice will lead to a backlash from some other group. Forcing Eliot to play a woman and not working in a trans character? Backlash. Drastically rewriting source material to incorporate Eliot? Backlash. Recasting a trans actor? Backlash. Having Vanya living off screen? Backlash. Theres no way out.
Well she is a lesbian or bi on umbrella maybe next season she will transition to trans...and make farm lady fall 100% for her or some shit

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nothanks1
12/01/20 2:04:34 PM
#171:


Zikten posted...
I can now say I used to have a crush on a dude

Same!

wait, used to?
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DystopiaMan
12/01/20 2:05:18 PM
#172:


nothanks1 posted...
It honestly depends on what he wants, everyone is different.
But if you mean in terms of 'please mods, don't ban me' then just go with he even when talking about parts he played in the past, like a pregnant teenage girl in Juno.
Please someone tell the alt right about the fact a TRANSGENDER person played a pregnant teenage girl in a movie and show me the reaction after we point out said person is ftm

But the movie poster says E. Page's name that E. Page was then.

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KyerWiz
12/01/20 2:05:45 PM
#173:


BeyondWalls posted...
Somewhere an Umbrella Academy producer is screaming into an empty bag of Doritos.

I mean, its great Eliot found himself. But were talking about an industry where getting a new hairstyle can be seen as a contract violation. Some high profile stars arent even allowed to breath wrong for fear that their insurance company will drop them if the studio sues. I wouldnt be surprised at all if Netflix doesnt just quietly cancel Umbrella Academy a few months from now. They are now in a no-win scenario. Every single choice will lead to a backlash from some other group. Forcing Eliot to play a woman and not working in a trans character? Backlash. Drastically rewriting source material to incorporate Eliot? Backlash. Recasting a trans actor? Backlash. Having Vanya living off screen? Backlash. Theres no way out.
They will obviously need to sit down and discuss what happens next but, if Page is comfortable with it, I see no reason why he couldn't play a female character. Actors act.
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nothanks1
12/01/20 2:05:57 PM
#174:


DystopiaMan posted...

But the movie poster says E. Page's name that E. Page was then.

dude we're not literally going to fucking retroactively tear down posters
going foward most likely they'll rename him instead of dead naming him
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ZeroX91
12/01/20 2:06:13 PM
#175:


Neckhomachus posted...
ah, gender identity is the same thing as singing on tiktok after all
Way to not read 3 full sentences.

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AngelsNAirwav3s
12/01/20 2:06:15 PM
#176:


Zikten posted...
I can now say I used to have a crush on a dude

They aren't a dude, they are non binary

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Medussa
12/01/20 2:06:46 PM
#177:


BLAKUboy posted...
Oh good, this has become yet another "I'm JuSt AsKiNg QuEsTiOnS!!1!" topic.

Just JAQing it - Cyril Figgis, probably.

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Neckhomachus
12/01/20 2:06:46 PM
#178:


ZeroX91 posted...
Way to not read 3 full sentences.
I read your stupid post
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Finally_Im_Back
12/01/20 2:07:07 PM
#179:


nothanks1 posted...
Same!

wait, used to?
You ever found that attractive?
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ZeroX91
12/01/20 2:07:33 PM
#180:


Neckhomachus posted...
I read your stupid post
No you didnt.

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WingsOfGood
12/01/20 2:07:36 PM
#181:


KyerWiz posted...
if Page is comfortable with it,

Why wouldn't they be? They already were. Does this announcment mean that changes?
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nothanks1
12/01/20 2:07:40 PM
#182:


Finally_Im_Back posted...

You ever found that attractive?

Let me be clear
pre or post E. Page, I'd smoosh
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TeaMilk
12/01/20 2:10:11 PM
#183:


AngelsNAirwav3s posted...
They aren't a dude, they are non binary
I figure it's up to the individual, but I assumed most he/they NB people are ok w being called a dude

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Pus_N_Pecans
12/01/20 2:11:18 PM
#184:


KyerWiz posted...
They will obviously need to sit down and discuss what happens next but, if Page is comfortable with it, I see no reason why he couldn't play a female character. Actors act.
This. Earlier this year we had an nonbinary person play a female role in that new Bill and Ted. (Although I could only ever see them as nonbinary in the role, which is why I even looked them up for confirmation to begin with)

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Bio1590
12/01/20 2:12:14 PM
#185:


Nothing will change in regards to Umbrella Academy, calm down people.
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matteus70
12/01/20 2:12:51 PM
#186:


He could guest star on TPB as Lahey's son.

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King_Hutton
12/01/20 2:13:29 PM
#188:


BLAKUboy posted...
Oh good, this has become yet another "I'm JuSt AsKiNg QuEsTiOnS!!1!" topic.
Im just asking how to make trans people know I dont like them without getting modded, whats wrong with that guys?

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KyerWiz
12/01/20 2:13:32 PM
#189:


WingsOfGood posted...
Why wouldn't they be? They already were. Does this announcment mean that changes?
I am not Elliot Page and I won't pretend to know what he wants. Hence the if. I could understand being fine with it (actors act as I said) or preferring to make a clean divide.

But yes, I was simply saying that, as long as he's fine with it, I see no reason why Umbrella Academy couldn't keep going as is.
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Orchestrion
12/01/20 2:13:49 PM
#190:


People ITT posting stunning and brave are making references to a blatantly transphobic South Park episode. Surely the mods wont pretend not to know that.

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ZeroX91
12/01/20 2:13:51 PM
#191:


Bio1590 posted...
Nothing will change in regards to Umbrella Academy, calm down people.
All i know is i wanna see what the competent team can do.

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WingsOfGood
12/01/20 2:14:19 PM
#192:


If anyone comes out as trans on umbrella academy, it would be Klaus anyways.
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CyricZ
12/01/20 2:14:40 PM
#193:


Nice.

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skermac
12/01/20 2:14:54 PM
#194:


King_Hutton posted...
Im just asking how to make trans people know I dont like them without getting modded, whats wrong with that guys?

you assume too much, some of us honestly dont know all the terms and such

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BeyondWalls
12/01/20 2:15:09 PM
#195:


KyerWiz posted...
They will obviously need to sit down and discuss what happens next but, if Page is comfortable with it, I see no reason why he couldn't play a female character. Actors act.
Yeah but actors have been getting a lot of shit for various things lately. Having a male-trans actor playing a female could be problematic. The studio could be seen as bigoted for not incorporating the transition. Or even worse, rumors might start that the studio forced him to continue the female role or risk being sued for breach of contract. Netflix is in a no-win scenario.

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Neckhomachus
12/01/20 2:15:40 PM
#196:


skermac posted...
you assume too much, some of us honestly dont know all the terms and such
and make no effort to learn, yet ask the same needling questions every thread even tangentially related to gender identity
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WingsOfGood
12/01/20 2:15:40 PM
#197:


KyerWiz posted...
I am not Elliot Page and I won't pretend to know what he wants. Hence the if. I could understand being fine with it (actors act as I said) or preferring to make a clean divide.

But yes, I was simply saying that, as long as he's fine with it, I see no reason why Umbrella Academy couldn't keep going as is.

Coming out means they were already trans and played Vanya. You just didn't know it. They did.
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nothanks1
12/01/20 2:18:05 PM
#198:


skermac posted...
you assume too much, some of us honestly dont know all the terms and such

there's a big different between going
'so what do we call the person now? Do we say him or her?" and "I don't get what the big deal is with her doing this, it's obviously a publicity stunt"
Ask questions but given that roughly 99% of posters on here know misgendering is getting you in trouble and still do it as a "IM JUST ASKING" troll tactic is the problem
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BeyondWalls
12/01/20 2:18:08 PM
#199:


Bio1590 posted...
Nothing will change in regards to Umbrella Academy, calm down people.
I guess thats up to Page.

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ZeroX91
12/01/20 2:18:42 PM
#200:


Really. Wasnt even about being trans its about the timing...fine whatever....back to the Molynexu question.

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Smackems
12/01/20 2:19:22 PM
#201:


nothanks1 posted...
there's a big different between going
'so what do we call the person now? Do we say him or her?" and "I don't get what the big deal is with her doing this, it's obviously a publicity stunt"
Ask questions but given that roughly 99% of posters on here know misgendering is getting you in trouble and still do it as a "IM JUST ASKING" troll tactic is the problem
Don't think Skermac was doing that, unless I missed a post

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AdviceMan
12/01/20 2:19:39 PM
#202:


WingsOfGood posted...
For those that don't know, Vanya is a woman.

Is it appropriate for a man to play a woman unironically?

I don't know. I'll still watch regardless.

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nothanks1
12/01/20 2:20:16 PM
#203:


Smackems posted...

Don't think Skermac was doing that, unless I missed a post

No not towards that user - I was explaining that often it's 'innocent' questions phrased in offensive ways
Innocent questions to learn are fine. It's calling out the ones that are trolling
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WingsOfGood
12/01/20 2:22:00 PM
#204:


AdviceMan posted...
Is it appropriate for a man to play a woman unironically?

I don't know. I'll still watch regardless.

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Pus_N_Pecans
12/01/20 2:23:06 PM
#205:


AdviceMan posted...
Is it appropriate for a man to play a woman unironically?

I don't know. I'll still watch regardless.
Opposite scenario, but Tilda Swinton played some old man in the Suspiria remake a couple years back and did alright. I don't exactly know why, since she already played two other roles in the same movie, but she did it anyway.

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Kaldrenthebold
12/01/20 2:23:29 PM
#206:


This topic is going about as well as I expected tbqh

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SrRd_RacinG
12/01/20 2:23:37 PM
#207:


Unsugarized_Foo posted...
Just when you start to think you know someone
Lol

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Neckhomachus
12/01/20 2:23:38 PM
#208:


I completely forgot Tilda Swinton was also the doctor in Suspiria
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