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davyheinz 11/28/20 1:12:47 AM #1:	@HannibalBarca3 @AceAttorneyist @LostForest @anttttt @viewmaster_pi @NightMarishPie @JTilly @rideshort @_KGC_ --- ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXY & Zed <cite>davyheinz posted [p:947684855] in Smash Topi... [t:79140179]...</cite> <quote>@HannibalBarca3 @AceAttorneyist @LostForest @anttttt @viewmaster_pi @NightMarishPie @JTilly @rideshort @_KGC_ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pojr 11/28/20 1:14:11 AM #2:	sup --- pojr I summon it. You spell it. <cite>pojr posted [p:947684890] in Smash Topi... [t:79140179]...</cite> <quote>sup </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
davyheinz 11/28/20 1:14:35 AM #3:	@Simon_Petrikov @KobeSystem @Lord_Wombat @NeonOctopus @TheHoldSteady @Pus_N_Pecans @pojr Sorry if I missed anyone --- ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXY & Zed <cite>davyheinz posted [p:947684898] in Smash Topi... [t:79140179]...</cite> <quote>@Simon_Petrikov @KobeSystem @Lord_Wombat @NeonOctopus @TheHoldSteady @Pus_N_Pecans @pojr Sorry if I missed anyone </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
davyheinz 11/28/20 1:17:59 AM #4:	I'm trying to think if Mac's aerials even have any purpose. I would think you could combo some of them into something grounded but I never see it Ace said that in the last topic and I wanted to point out that Mac has some basic stuff that carried over from Smash 4. He can do like dtilt -> fair -> dtilt and maybe some other stuff at low percents. It may not be a true combo but his moves are fast enough to react to dodges and basically frame trap characters. Edit: hi pojr --- ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXY & Zed <cite>davyheinz posted [p:947684964] in Smash Topi... [t:79140179]...</cite> <quote><quote>I'm trying to think if Mac's aerials even have any purpose. I would think you could combo some of them into something grounded but I never see it</quote> Ace said that in the last topic and I wanted to point out that Mac has some basic stuff that carried over from Smash 4. He can do like dtilt -> fair -> dtilt and maybe some other stuff at low percents. It may not be a true combo but his moves are fast enough to react to dodges and basically frame trap characters. Edit: hi pojr </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pojr 11/28/20 1:24:15 AM #5:	ant said little mac doesn't have the worst recovery in the game who does? dr mario? always thought mac did but I prolly haven't been paying attention --- pojr I summon it. You spell it. <cite>pojr posted [p:947685065] in Smash Topi... [t:79140179]...</cite> <quote>ant said little mac doesn't have the worst recovery in the game who does? dr mario? always thought mac did but I prolly haven't been paying attention</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_KGC_ 11/28/20 1:31:37 AM #6:	Ganon perhaps --- "You got to be careful if you don't know where you're going, because you might not get there." - Yogi Berra <cite>_KGC_ posted [p:947685207] in Smash Topi... [t:79140179]...</cite> <quote>Ganon perhaps</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
davyheinz 11/28/20 1:33:48 AM #7:	pojr posted... ant said little mac doesn't have the worst recovery in the game who does? dr mario? always thought mac did but I prolly haven't been paying attention I would agree, that choice makes sense. Mac has sideB and upB combined now and he can counter if you get a good read or reaction. The counter can help you cover a lot of area, and it does slow descent. Doc just has a slight cape stall and downB in addition to upB. I think Macs sideB works better than Docs downB as a second special recovery. Edit: Chrom is also an option for worst. --- ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXY & Zed <cite>davyheinz posted [p:947685236] in Smash Topi... [t:79140179]...</cite> <quote>pojr posted... </cite> <quote>ant said little mac doesn't have the worst recovery in the game who does? dr mario? always thought mac did but I prolly haven't been paying attention</quote>I would agree, that choice makes sense. Mac has sideB and upB combined now and he can counter if you get a good read or reaction. The counter can help you cover a lot of area, and it does slow descent. Doc just has a slight cape stall and downB in addition to upB. I think Macs sideB works better than Docs downB as a second special recovery. Edit: Chrom is also an option for worst. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Simon_Petrikov 11/28/20 1:45:11 AM #8:	tag --- Will happen, happening, happened https://imgur.com/V0NMmmo <cite>Simon_Petrikov posted [p:947685441] in Smash Topi... [t:79140179]...</cite> <quote>tag </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LostForest 11/28/20 2:18:59 AM #9:	Here I am. --- ForestLogic alt. <cite>LostForest posted [p:947685967] in Smash Topi... [t:79140179]...</cite> <quote>Here I am. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zero_Destroyer 11/28/20 2:28:02 AM #10:	i'll post in here to keep an eye and maybe post useful info when/if i can --- Enjoy movies and television? Check out my blog! I do reviews and analyses. http://fictionrantreview.wordpress.com/ (The Force Awakens spoiler review up!) <cite>Zero_Destroyer posted [p:947686101] in Smash Topi... [t:79140179]...</cite> <quote>i'll post in here to keep an eye and maybe post useful info when/if i can </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
anttttt 11/28/20 5:00:17 AM #11:	pojr posted... ant said little mac doesn't have the worst recovery in the game who does? dr mario? always thought mac did but I prolly haven't been paying attention dr mario and ganon definitely have worse recovery simply because they lack options mac has bad options but he has at least has more than one of them <cite>anttttt posted [p:947687892] in Smash Topi... [t:79140179]...</cite> <quote>pojr posted... </cite> <quote>ant said little mac doesn't have the worst recovery in the game who does? dr mario? always thought mac did but I prolly haven't been paying attention</quote>dr mario and ganon definitely have worse recovery simply because they lack options mac has bad options but he has at least has more than one of them </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AceAttorneyist 11/28/20 5:21:02 AM #12:	I was messing around with Chrom the other day and this Lucina kept abusing my inability to sweet spot the ledge by countering me. You can legit die at 0 that way if you don't have your jump --- (... D-Do I really inspire this sort of frothing desire from the female masses?) <cite>AceAttorneyist posted [p:947688111] in Smash Topi... [t:79140179]...</cite> <quote>I was messing around with Chrom the other day and this Lucina kept abusing my inability to sweet spot the ledge by countering me. You can legit die at 0 that way if you don't have your jump </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NightMarishPie 11/28/20 11:11:27 AM #13:	Post @pojr any tournaments tonight? Sorry to ask lol. How do you find out about these? --- "Who dares, wins" 3DS FC: 1521 3697 7272 <cite>NightMarishPie posted [p:947693766] in Smash Topi... [t:79140179]...</cite> <quote>Post @pojr any tournaments tonight? Sorry to ask lol. How do you find out about these? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AceAttorneyist 11/28/20 1:41:12 PM #14:	Anyone around? --- (... D-Do I really inspire this sort of frothing desire from the female masses?) <cite>AceAttorneyist posted [p:947698132] in Smash Topi... [t:79140179]...</cite> <quote>Anyone around? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HannibalBarca3 11/28/20 2:06:30 PM #15:	I could probably play in about 30 mins. Getting back from picking up a jacket. --- Aut viam inveniam aut faciam. Will not change sig until the Tsar is put back in the Russian throne (July 08, 2010) <cite>HannibalBarca3 posted [p:947698850] in Smash Topi... [t:79140179]...</cite> <quote>I could probably play in about 30 mins. Getting back from picking up a jacket. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AceAttorneyist 11/28/20 2:39:42 PM #16:	I can play in about 15 min --- (... D-Do I really inspire this sort of frothing desire from the female masses?) <cite>AceAttorneyist posted [p:947699872] in Smash Topi... [t:79140179]...</cite> <quote>I can play in about 15 min </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
davyheinz 11/28/20 2:58:01 PM #17:	Im super tired with nothing to do. Lets go. 5JR6K --- ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXY & Zed <cite>davyheinz posted [p:947700444] in Smash Topi... [t:79140179]...</cite> <quote>Im super tired with nothing to do. Lets go. 5JR6K </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HannibalBarca3 11/28/20 3:10:54 PM #18:	Omw --- Aut viam inveniam aut faciam. Will not change sig until the Tsar is put back in the Russian throne (July 08, 2010) <cite>HannibalBarca3 posted [p:947700824] in Smash Topi... [t:79140179]...</cite> <quote>Omw </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pojr 11/28/20 3:19:48 PM #19:	NightMarishPie posted... Post @pojr any tournaments tonight? Sorry to ask lol. How do you find out about these? All good. I always go here to look: https://smash.gg/tournaments Their search system sucks, so I have to look through the list manually. It will always start with today's tournaments so that is fortunate. I always look for tournaments that have 100+ people, and when I find one, I'll check the roster and see if notable players are in it. case in point, here is the tournament I would sign up for today: https://smash.gg/tournament/get-clipped-5-presented-by-metaview-1 A rule of thumb is that: every monday is MSM, tuesday is Xanadu, wednesday is either the lunchbox or juicebox. seems like thursday and sunday are usually the hardest to find tournaments on. Edit: I replaced the link because this tournament is bigger and hasn't actually started yet, unlike the former one I linked to >_> --- pojr I summon it. You spell it. <cite>pojr posted [p:947701076] in Smash Topi... [t:79140179]...</cite> <quote>NightMarishPie posted... </cite> <quote>Post @pojr any tournaments tonight? Sorry to ask lol. How do you find out about these?</quote>All good. I always go here to look: https://smash.gg/tournaments Their search system sucks, so I have to look through the list manually. It will always start with today's tournaments so that is fortunate. I always look for tournaments that have 100+ people, and when I find one, I'll check the roster and see if notable players are in it. case in point, here is the tournament I would sign up for today: https://smash.gg/tournament/get-clipped-5-presented-by-metaview-1 A rule of thumb is that: every monday is MSM, tuesday is Xanadu, wednesday is either the lunchbox or juicebox. seems like thursday and sunday are usually the hardest to find tournaments on. Edit: I replaced the link because this tournament is bigger and hasn't actually started yet, unlike the former one I linked to >_> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HannibalBarca3 11/28/20 3:26:06 PM #20:	Nice --- Aut viam inveniam aut faciam. Will not change sig until the Tsar is put back in the Russian throne (July 08, 2010) <cite>HannibalBarca3 posted [p:947701283] in Smash Topi... [t:79140179]...</cite> <quote>Nice </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HannibalBarca3 11/28/20 3:30:08 PM #21:	I hate doing skull bash instead of reverse t jolt --- Aut viam inveniam aut faciam. Will not change sig until the Tsar is put back in the Russian throne (July 08, 2010) <cite>HannibalBarca3 posted [p:947701432] in Smash Topi... [t:79140179]...</cite> <quote>I hate doing skull bash instead of reverse t jolt </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
davyheinz 11/28/20 3:37:14 PM #22:	HannibalBarca3 posted... I hate doing skull bash instead of reverse t jolt Heh, I had one that was squall hammer instead of ice block reversed. --- ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXY & Zed <cite>davyheinz posted [p:947701653] in Smash Topi... [t:79140179]...</cite> <quote>HannibalBarca3 posted... </cite> <quote>I hate doing skull bash instead of reverse t jolt</quote>Heh, I had one that was squall hammer instead of ice block reversed. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
davyheinz 11/28/20 3:44:11 PM #23:	Gotta do a phone call --- ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXY & Zed <cite>davyheinz posted [p:947701845] in Smash Topi... [t:79140179]...</cite> <quote>Gotta do a phone call </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HannibalBarca3 11/28/20 4:30:38 PM #24:	GGs. Sorry about the rage quit but I kept getting annoyed by it lol. I can combo DK to oblivion but even he can exploit Fox recovery and kill super early. --- Aut viam inveniam aut faciam. Will not change sig until the Tsar is put back in the Russian throne (July 08, 2010) <cite>HannibalBarca3 posted [p:947703158] in Smash Topi... [t:79140179]...</cite> <quote>GGs. Sorry about the rage quit but I kept getting annoyed by it lol. I can combo DK to oblivion but even he can exploit Fox recovery and kill super early. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pojr 11/28/20 4:33:23 PM #25:	@_KGC_ , @davyheinz , @anttttt that is true, little mac has two different recovery options + a super armor move. i will say his Up B definitely sucks. from my experience it only goes directly up (not to the side at all), and doesn't seem to connect to ledge that easily. DK's recovery is bad but at least his Up B has alright horizontal movement, coupled with his decent airspeed. --- pojr I summon it. You spell it. <cite>pojr posted [p:947703238] in Smash Topi... [t:79140179]...</cite> <quote>@_KGC_ , @davyheinz , @anttttt that is true, little mac has two different recovery options + a super armor move. i will say his Up B definitely sucks. from my experience it only goes directly up (not to the side at all), and doesn't seem to connect to ledge that easily. DK's recovery is bad but at least his Up B has alright horizontal movement, coupled with his decent airspeed. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
davyheinz 11/28/20 4:50:15 PM #26:	GGs, gonna take a break for now and eat --- ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXY & Zed <cite>davyheinz posted [p:947703725] in Smash Topi... [t:79140179]...</cite> <quote>GGs, gonna take a break for now and eat </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AceAttorneyist 11/28/20 4:50:22 PM #27:	HannibalBarca3 posted... GGs. Sorry about the rage quit but I kept getting annoyed by it lol. I can combo DK to oblivion but even he can exploit Fox recovery and kill super early. No worries, I would be annoyed too lmao. I think my DK isn't too bad, I've enjoyed playing him since I picked up the down b reverse from pojr. I have no idea how to play against Mewtwo and too tired to figure it out. Ggs --- (... D-Do I really inspire this sort of frothing desire from the female masses?) <cite>AceAttorneyist posted [p:947703729] in Smash Topi... [t:79140179]...</cite> <quote>HannibalBarca3 posted... </cite> <quote>GGs. Sorry about the rage quit but I kept getting annoyed by it lol. I can combo DK to oblivion but even he can exploit Fox recovery and kill super early.</quote> No worries, I would be annoyed too lmao. I think my DK isn't too bad, I've enjoyed playing him since I picked up the down b reverse from pojr. I have no idea how to play against Mewtwo and too tired to figure it out. Ggs </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pojr 11/28/20 6:08:11 PM #28:	cool someone learned something from me --- pojr I summon it. You spell it. <cite>pojr posted [p:947706119] in Smash Topi... [t:79140179]...</cite> <quote>cool someone learned something from me </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pojr 11/28/20 7:04:51 PM #29:	hbox totally choked that one away --- pojr I summon it. You spell it. <cite>pojr posted [p:947707955] in Smash Topi... [t:79140179]...</cite> <quote>hbox totally choked that one away </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AceAttorneyist 11/28/20 7:50:40 PM #30:	Anyone wanna play? --- (... D-Do I really inspire this sort of frothing desire from the female masses?) <cite>AceAttorneyist posted [p:947709297] in Smash Topi... [t:79140179]...</cite> <quote>Anyone wanna play? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NightMarishPie 11/28/20 8:07:53 PM #31:	I'll play. Probably just going to grind a lot of zss tonight --- "Who dares, wins" 3DS FC: 1521 3697 7272 <cite>NightMarishPie posted [p:947709816] in Smash Topi... [t:79140179]...</cite> <quote>I'll play. Probably just going to grind a lot of zss tonight </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AceAttorneyist 11/28/20 8:10:45 PM #32:	NightMarishPie posted... I'll play. Probably just going to grind a lot of zss tonight JQXK5/69 --- (... D-Do I really inspire this sort of frothing desire from the female masses?) <cite>AceAttorneyist posted [p:947709888] in Smash Topi... [t:79140179]...</cite> <quote>NightMarishPie posted... </cite> <quote>I'll play. Probably just going to grind a lot of zss tonight</quote> JQXK5/69 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
viewmaster_pi 11/28/20 8:13:34 PM #33:	i'll get some in before work, too --- Rain in the meadow beats the river to the ocean <cite>viewmaster_pi posted [p:947709980] in Smash Topi... [t:79140179]...</cite> <quote>i'll get some in before work, too </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pojr 11/28/20 8:17:35 PM #34:	here are some upcoming tournaments if anyone wants to signup. the juice box is super stacked so sign up asap if you want to compete. monday - https://smash.gg/tournament/mega-smash-mondays-online-31 tuesday - https://smash.gg/tournament/ultimate-xanadu-online-382 wednesday - https://smash.gg/tournament/the-box-juice-box-21/ --- pojr I summon it. You spell it. <cite>pojr posted [p:947710096] in Smash Topi... [t:79140179]...</cite> <quote>here are some upcoming tournaments if anyone wants to signup. the juice box is super stacked so sign up asap if you want to compete. monday - https://smash.gg/tournament/mega-smash-mondays-online-31 tuesday - https://smash.gg/tournament/ultimate-xanadu-online-382 wednesday - https://smash.gg/tournament/the-box-juice-box-21/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
viewmaster_pi 11/28/20 8:25:38 PM #35:	huh, so the weird cardboard ledge sort of stage spiked --- Rain in the meadow beats the river to the ocean <cite>viewmaster_pi posted [p:947710314] in Smash Topi... [t:79140179]...</cite> <quote>huh, so the weird cardboard ledge sort of stage spiked </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NightMarishPie 11/28/20 8:25:51 PM #36:	damn thought i had that dair lined up lol --- "Who dares, wins" 3DS FC: 1521 3697 7272 <cite>NightMarishPie posted [p:947710322] in Smash Topi... [t:79140179]...</cite> <quote>damn thought i had that dair lined up lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AceAttorneyist 11/28/20 8:41:27 PM #37:	I'm guessing that kill confirm from dash attack into bair requires RAR? I use attack cancel to get that at low percents but I doubt it works at higher percents. I need to practice RAR more --- (... D-Do I really inspire this sort of frothing desire from the female masses?) <cite>AceAttorneyist posted [p:947710733] in Smash Topi... [t:79140179]...</cite> <quote>I'm guessing that kill confirm from dash attack into bair requires RAR? I use attack cancel to get that at low percents but I doubt it works at higher percents. I need to practice RAR more </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
viewmaster_pi 11/28/20 8:41:53 PM #38:	can't stand ZSS, her entire character hinges on the stun and the bury for an up-b, there's nothing else to her --- Rain in the meadow beats the river to the ocean <cite>viewmaster_pi posted [p:947710741] in Smash Topi... [t:79140179]...</cite> <quote>can't stand ZSS, her entire character hinges on the stun and the bury for an up-b, there's nothing else to her </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
viewmaster_pi 11/28/20 8:42:36 PM #39:	AceAttorneyist posted... I'm guessing that kill confirm from dash attack into bair requires RAR? I use attack cancel to get that at low percents but I doubt it works at higher percents. I need to practice RAR more yeah, it was super tight, his back air really benefits from it all around, though --- Rain in the meadow beats the river to the ocean <cite>viewmaster_pi posted [p:947710767] in Smash Topi... [t:79140179]...</cite> <quote>AceAttorneyist posted... </cite> <quote>I'm guessing that kill confirm from dash attack into bair requires RAR? I use attack cancel to get that at low percents but I doubt it works at higher percents. I need to practice RAR more</quote>yeah, it was super tight, his back air really benefits from it all around, though </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JTilly 11/28/20 8:42:56 PM #40:	viewmaster_pi posted... can't stand ZSS, her entire character hinges on the stun and the bury for an up-b, there's nothing else to her That didnt take long lol --- WittleJimmyJimmyjumper <cite>JTilly posted [p:947710774] in Smash Topi... [t:79140179]...</cite> <quote>viewmaster_pi posted... </cite> <quote>can't stand ZSS, her entire character hinges on the stun and the bury for an up-b, there's nothing else to her</quote>That didnt take long lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AceAttorneyist 11/28/20 8:45:11 PM #41:	JTilly posted... That didnt take long lol I do think ZSS has some cool spike kills, and when she ladders into up b it can look sick. But sadly ZSS does rely on stun and bury for the majority of her kills --- (... D-Do I really inspire this sort of frothing desire from the female masses?) <cite>AceAttorneyist posted [p:947710833] in Smash Topi... [t:79140179]...</cite> <quote>JTilly posted... </cite> <quote>That didnt take long lol</quote> I do think ZSS has some cool spike kills, and when she ladders into up b it can look sick. But sadly ZSS does rely on stun and bury for the majority of her kills </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AceAttorneyist 11/28/20 8:46:21 PM #42:	viewmaster_pi posted... yeah, it was super tight, his back air really benefits from it all around, though How do you perform it? Just back forward bair? --- (... D-Do I really inspire this sort of frothing desire from the female masses?) <cite>AceAttorneyist posted [p:947710868] in Smash Topi... [t:79140179]...</cite> <quote>viewmaster_pi posted... </cite> <quote>yeah, it was super tight, his back air really benefits from it all around, though</quote> How do you perform it? Just back forward bair? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
viewmaster_pi 11/28/20 8:47:55 PM #43:	AceAttorneyist posted... How do you perform it? Just back forward bair? pretty much, just fast as shit. i remember a magic scrumpy video where he said in melee you basically always want your back facing your opponent as DK, so i keep that in mind for ultimate, too --- Rain in the meadow beats the river to the ocean <cite>viewmaster_pi posted [p:947710910] in Smash Topi... [t:79140179]...</cite> <quote>AceAttorneyist posted... </cite> <quote>How do you perform it? Just back forward bair?</quote>pretty much, just fast as shit. i remember a magic scrumpy video where he said in melee you basically always want your back facing your opponent as DK, so i keep that in mind for ultimate, too </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
anttttt 11/28/20 8:48:40 PM #44:	how can you mention zss and not mention her stupid safety on shield and ability to never get hit <cite>anttttt posted [p:947710929] in Smash Topi... [t:79140179]...</cite> <quote>how can you mention zss and not mention her stupid safety on shield and ability to never get hit </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
viewmaster_pi 11/28/20 8:49:32 PM #45:	anttttt posted... how can you mention zss and not mention her stupid safety on shield and ability to never get hit i already did every other time, lol --- Rain in the meadow beats the river to the ocean <cite>viewmaster_pi posted [p:947710962] in Smash Topi... [t:79140179]...</cite> <quote>anttttt posted... </cite> <quote>how can you mention zss and not mention her stupid safety on shield and ability to never get hit</quote>i already did every other time, lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AceAttorneyist 11/28/20 8:51:37 PM #46:	anttttt posted... how can you mention zss and not mention her stupid safety on shield and ability to never get hit I know it's not the primary reason for the safety, but why does she need a frame 1 jab --- (... D-Do I really inspire this sort of frothing desire from the female masses?) <cite>AceAttorneyist posted [p:947711011] in Smash Topi... [t:79140179]...</cite> <quote>anttttt posted... </cite> <quote>how can you mention zss and not mention her stupid safety on shield and ability to never get hit</quote> I know it's not the primary reason for the safety, but why does she need a frame 1 jab </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
viewmaster_pi 11/28/20 8:53:35 PM #47:	i can't blame the players for doing up-B so much, nothing else kills but up smash. just makes you wonder why they designed her the way they did --- Rain in the meadow beats the river to the ocean <cite>viewmaster_pi posted [p:947711053] in Smash Topi... [t:79140179]...</cite> <quote>i can't blame the players for doing up-B so much, nothing else kills but up smash. just makes you wonder why they designed her the way they did </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NightMarishPie 11/28/20 8:55:51 PM #48:	yeah zss of course needs stun and up b to do a lot of work, but ive had plenty of nair>bair confirms tonight so i dont think the stun complaint is that valid tonight lol i still dont get people saying zss is super safe because only a perfectly spaced zair and nair are safe on shield. no other moves are safe on shield except up air i guess but its not like thats hitting shield too often. also if zss is considered hard to hit then you should never play against joker lol --- "Who dares, wins" 3DS FC: 1521 3697 7272 <cite>NightMarishPie posted [p:947711111] in Smash Topi... [t:79140179]...</cite> <quote>yeah zss of course needs stun and up b to do a lot of work, but ive had plenty of nair>bair confirms tonight so i dont think the stun complaint is that valid tonight lol i still dont get people saying zss is super safe because only a perfectly spaced zair and nair are safe on shield. no other moves are safe on shield except up air i guess but its not like thats hitting shield too often. also if zss is considered hard to hit then you should never play against joker lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AceAttorneyist 11/28/20 9:13:14 PM #49:	Well I know ant always qualifies his statements about ZSS by noting he's talking about her on wifi. I'm not gonna pretend to know his exact thoughts about the safety of the character, though I am assuming her special moves do enough shield stun to be considered safe (especially since two of them are used from a distance). I do know she's too slippery, unreasonably difficult for a lot of the cast to hit. Down B is punishable offline, not really on wifi. On wifi it's a free ticket out of disadvantage and an easy kill confirm. --- (... D-Do I really inspire this sort of frothing desire from the female masses?) <cite>AceAttorneyist posted [p:947711613] in Smash Topi... [t:79140179]...</cite> <quote>Well I know ant always qualifies his statements about ZSS by noting he's talking about her on wifi. I'm not gonna pretend to know his exact thoughts about the safety of the character, though I am assuming her special moves do enough shield stun to be considered safe (especially since two of them are used from a distance). I do know she's too slippery, unreasonably difficult for a lot of the cast to hit. Down B is punishable offline, not really on wifi. On wifi it's a free ticket out of disadvantage and an easy kill confirm. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NightMarishPie 11/28/20 9:21:25 PM #50:	that is true, it is all on wifi. it's so unfortunate how the character fundamentally plays different on wifi than offline. i guess ill say you can just look at the frame data to tell those moves are not safe on shield lol. but she is slippery for sure, but she is not the slipperiest! GGs though. Dont want to wait so im going to hop on elite --- "Who dares, wins" 3DS FC: 1521 3697 7272 <cite>NightMarishPie posted [p:947711827] in Smash Topi... [t:79140179]...</cite> <quote>that is true, it is all on wifi. it's so unfortunate how the character fundamentally plays different on wifi than offline. i guess ill say you can just look at the frame data to tell those moves are not safe on shield lol. but she is slippery for sure, but she is not the slipperiest! GGs though. Dont want to wait so im going to hop on elite </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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