Current Events > Why do Republicans and Trumpets assume every democrat is a AOC Bernie bro

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I mean Bernie got stomped in the primary twice. Otherwise, he would be President if they were sooo popular. Is it that hard to accept that the typical democrat is actually pretty moderate and just does not want to deal with a literal fascist/child/racist/handmaid's tale jesus freak, constant virtue signaling, or a REVOLUTION for the reddit and rogan BRO.

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The one thing I wish the republicans were right about.

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Same reason people here call you a Trumper if you agree with a single conservative thing.

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Easier to present the Democrats as the enemy that way. If they were to say hate the democrats, they are moderates who are willing to work with us, it would confuse people. But by saying they are all left wing socialists who hate America, they clearly show that the Democrats are the enemy.

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fan357 posted...

Same reason people here call you a Trumper if you agree with a single conservative thing.

Trumpism is running rampant though

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Easier to rally "Us vs Them" in tribal form if you lie about "them"

Biden would be considered right wing in Europe, Japan, Australia, Canada, New Zealand etc.

Yet in the US Trump paints him as a radical socialist

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Because the further Democrats move the right, the more Republicans have to fantastically demonize them to keep the Republican base in fear of the Dems gaining power.

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Guns_of_Verdun posted...

Easier to rally "Us vs Them" in tribal form if you lie about "them"

Biden would be considered right wing in Europe, Japan, Australia, Canada, New Zealand etc.

Yet in the US Trump paints him as a radical socialist

What's the right wing over here considered? Terrorists?

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Trump's attack ads made Biden more likable than Biden's actual campaign ads.

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fan357 posted...

Same reason people here call you a Trumper if you agree with a single conservative thing.

This. And I think both sides doing it are stupid.

There are us republicans out there who don't like and didn't vote for Trump. Just look at that Lincoln Project.

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Guns_of_Verdun posted...

Easier to rally "Us vs Them" in tribal form if you lie about "them"

Biden would be considered right wing in Europe, Japan, Australia, Canada, New Zealand etc.

Yet in the US Trump paints him as a radical socialist

Not really. There are many politicans in those places to the right of Biden. For example pretty sure Biden is to the left of Shinzo Abe.

Bernie is also pretty solidly left in most of the world despite people saying he's actually conservative internationally, etc.

I think most people get thrown off because politicians, even right wing ones, in most places support universal healthcare etc but pretty much nobody is going to advocate for taking something away once it's there. That would be way too unpopular.

But I'm sure a lot of right wing politicans like Boris Johnson would have fought against it had it not been established yet.

The issue is the amount of discourse and disunity with the dem party tbqh.

Like, your not an AoC Bernie bro?

What are you then? Oh, someone white like Trump but not keen on using twitter...

because screaming socialism at their base fires them up.

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WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted...

This. And I think both sides doing it are stupid.

There are us republicans out there who don't like and didn't vote for Trump. Just look at that Lincoln Project.

but trump won your primary and survived impeachment from a republican backed senate, and the GOP has constantly backed him though so it is reasonable to assume Trump represents the vast majority of republicans while Bernie lost twice, the second being an embarrassingly defeat so this isn't a both sides cop out at all.

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Same thing Democrats do when someone on the left criticizes them

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what's wrong with being an AOC Bernie bro

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Dark_SilverX posted...

what's wrong with being an AOC Bernie bro

there's nothing wrong with being a rational progressive, but I do have issue with the ill informed/tiny echo chamber progressives.

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fan357 posted...

Same reason people here call you a Trumper if you agree with a single conservative thing.

Trump is the GOP.

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TC when will you stop incessantly shitposting about progressives? You voted for Trump in 2016, you have no right to criticize anyones political views.

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FursonaNonGrata posted...

TC when will you stop incessantly shitposting about progressives? You voted for Trump in 2016, you have no right to criticize anyones political views.

who did I vote for in 2020? The progressives tend to get the nastiest when a democrat is in office and with the way the house and senate are right now, we cannot risk a Tim Cotton or Trump 2024 president because AOC and her bomb thrower gang decided to get uppity and back stab the Dems

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JBaLLEN66 posted...

Bernie lost twice, the second being an embarrassingly defeat

Yes, the DNC coordinating all of the moderates to drop out while keeping Warren in to split the progressive vote and unite under a milquetoast moderate right before Super Tuesday after realizing Sanders was actually doing well despite getting a disproportionately low amount of press coverage while also having that press coverage be disproportionally negative compared to the other candidates. What an "embarrassing" defeat that was. Absolutely. Completely normal sequence of events right there. He was going to lose naturally and nothing was done to affect it at all.

Let's not forget that after uniting under Joe Biden, Bernie has campaigned harder for him than any of the other losers in the primary. And even after the DNC's big effort to show Biden's capable of bringing both sides closer together, Trump still got 70 million votes.

I swear Democrats engage in zero fucking self reflection, and they're just as willing to kick sand in the faces of the people who reluctantly supported them as they were back in 2016. They can't bully republicans because that actually takes a spine (and it probably also means losing corporate dollars), but they'll sure as hell bully the left because they know the left has no other options between a moderate and a fascist.

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A majority of democrat voters

Support single payer healthcare (54%)
Want to legalize weed (78%)
Believe climate change should be a top priority (68%)
Support an option for tuition free college (83%)
Strongly favor increasing the federal minimum wage (59%)
Favor some form of UBI (66%)

The fact that there's a great deal of support for the policies that people like Bernie and AOC support signal to me that there's an issue in how people decide on who they're gonna vote for.

If you're talking about the elected officials, again, clearly there's a problem here where the people's interests aren't being represented. But obviously they skew pretty heavily to the middle or even slightly right.

Unfortunately 'socialist' is basically a cheat code that makes people's brains turn off so branding the opposition as socialists is a decent strategy for republicans much of the time.

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ZMythos posted...

Yes, the DNC coordinating all of the moderates to drop out while keeping Warren in to split the progressive vote and unite under a milquetoast moderate right before Super Tuesday after realizing Sanders was actually doing well despite getting a disproportionately low amount of press coverage while also having that press coverage be disproportionally negative compared to the other candidates. What an "embarrassing" defeat that was. Absolutely. Completely normal sequence of events right there. He was going to lose naturally and nothing was done to affect it at all.

Let's not forget that after uniting under Joe Biden, Bernie has campaigned harder for him than any of the other losers in the primary. And even after the DNC's big effort to show Biden's capable of bringing both sides closer together, Trump still got 70 million votes.

I swear Democrats engage in zero fucking self reflection, and they're just as willing to kick sand in the faces of the people who reluctantly supported them as they were back in 2016. They can't bully republicans because that actually takes a spine (and it probably also means losing corporate dollars), but they'll sure as hell bully the left because they know the left has no other options between a moderate and a fascist.

Umm didn't Bloomberg stay in the race? I love how yall just casually forget to mention this lol. This is the exact ill informed/small echo chamber nonsense I crusade against.

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TC casually referring to women of color as uppity bomb throwers. Definitely not thinly veiled racism, no sir.

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JBaLLEN66 posted...

who did I vote for in 2020? The progressives tend to get the nastiest when a democrat is in office and with the way the house and senate are right now, we cannot risk a Tim Cotton or Trump 2024 president because AOC and her bomb thrower gang decided to get uppity and back stab the Dems

This has nothing to do with progressives and everything to do with "normal" neo-liberalism being the reason fascism has taken hold to the degree that it has and will almost certainly lead us even further in that direction.

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Probably the same reason some portray every Republican as Trump supporters. Easier to lump people together than thinking they different.

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FursonaNonGrata posted...

TC casually referring to women of color as uppity bomb throwers. Definitely not thinly veiled racism, no sir.

putting words in my mouth I see


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IMNOTRAGED posted...

This has nothing to do with progressives and everything to do with "normal" neo-liberalism being the reason fascism has taken hold to the degree that it has and will almost certainly lead us even further in that direction.

again ill informed/small echo chamber rhetoric...I do not mind reasonable rational progressives

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JBaLLEN66 posted...

Umm didn't Bloomberg stay in the race? I love how yall just casually forget to mention this lol. This is the exact ill informed/small echo chamber nonsense I crusade against.

Bloomberg isn't beholden to the Democrats, so that's why he didn't drop out. He's a republican-lite who was trying to fuck with the primaries even more than the DNC could. Plus he dropped out immediately after Super Tuesday when it was clear the moderates were flooding to Biden.

So, the fuck are you trying to say? Was this one point you had supposed to destroy my argument?

Oh and let's not forget who Bloomberg shilled for after dropping out of the primaries. Hint: It wasn't the progressive that wanted to tax him heavily.

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Hey remember when TC voted for Trump in 2016? Pretty sure he did so in 2020 too. I hope no one falls for anything he says.

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JBaLLEN66 posted...

putting words in my mouth I see

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JBaLLEN66 posted...

again ill informed/small echo chamber rhetoric...I do not mind reasonable rational progressives

Yeah it's not like this basic scenario has repeated itself several times throughout modern history!

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Hey guys, some Democrats are holocaust denying Trump supporters. Deal with it.
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Bernie lost because Bernie was a shit candidate, and he was a shit candidate twice.


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Because it helps add to their scare tactics to maintain power. It's a smart take, but it's absolutely bullshit if you are a blind loyalist, which 70 million Americans seem to be.

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Samurontai posted...

Bernie lost because Bernie was a shit candidate, and he was a shit candidate twice.

no bernie onemanarmy/reddit says bernie actually won and it was all a grand conspiracy from the neo liberal cults

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I love how your next move was to just agree with the next shitposter instead of actually challenging the 4 rebuttals before it.


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Because theyre scared of actual change. The GOP ego refuses to acknowledge anything that isnt in their direct viewpoints.

They know that moderate Democrats are tame af, and have to vilify the left any way possible.

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ZMythos posted...

I love how your next move was to just agree with the next shitposter instead of actually challenging the 4 rebuttals before it.

Nice rebuttal my guy. Bernie was a shit candidate, Im sorry that that upsets you

Would you like some Copium? I hear the Trumpies still have a bit left

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Samurontai posted...

Nice rebuttal my guy. Bernie was a shit candidate, Im sorry that that upsets you

Would you like some Copium? I hear the Trumpies still have a bit left

This is exactly what I'm talking about.

ZMythos posted...

Democrats engage in zero fucking self reflection, and they're just as willing to kick sand in the faces of the people who reluctantly supported them as they were back in 2016. They can't bully republicans because that actually takes a spine (and it probably also means losing corporate dollars), but they'll sure as hell bully the left because they know the left has no other options between a moderate and a fascist.

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I wouldn't say Bernie got stomped at all. It took DNC meddling for him to lose both times.

ZMythos posted...

This is exactly what I'm talking about.

Lmao, I voted for Bernie in 2016 and this primary as well

I like some of his policies, but hes a shit candidate. Contrary to your shit takes, I have way more self reflection than you because Im able to realize how much of a shit candidate Bernie was.

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Being on the right side of history for over 50 years makes him a shit candidate?

BroHelpImStuck posted...

I wouldn't say Bernie got stomped at all. It took DNC meddling for him to lose both times.

Then, even after Bernie endorsing and campaigning for both candidates, one lost to literally Donald Trump

And the other, after 4 years of crime, death, division, an impeachment, and the growing fascist regime, scraped by with even more people coming out to vote for literally Donald Trump.

And they're acting like this is a big win instead of admitting what it actually was: A big fuckup followed by damage control while, again, engaging in zero self reflection.

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Samurontai posted...

Lmao, I voted for Bernie in 2016 and this primary as well

I like some of his policies, but hes a shit candidate. Contrary to your shit takes, I have way more self reflection than you because Im able to realize how much of a shit candidate Bernie was.

"He's a shit candidate. I voted for him but he was shit! I self-reflect all the time, but he was shit! I won't explain why, but he was definitely a shit candidate. And I realized it all by myself!"

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ZMythos posted...

"He's a shit candidate. I voted for him because I liked his policy ideas for the most part, but in the end he campaigned awfully, and even though I voted for him twice, I am capable of recognizing the fact that hes not a good candidate

FTFY


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ZMythos posted...

Then, even after Bernie endorsing and campaigning for both candidates, one lost to literally Donald Trump

And the other, after 4 years of crime, death, division, an impeachment, and the growing fascist regime, scraped by with even more people coming out to vote for literally Donald Trump.

And they're acting like this is a big win instead of admitting what it actually was: A big fuckup followed by damage control while, again, engaging in zero self reflection.

You realize Biden won by like 80 electoral votes or something, and 6-8 million popular votes, right?

I hardly call that scraping by

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Oh so now he didn't campaign well.

You know, with all of that positive and numerous press coverage he got. All of those corporate donors, just like he supports. He only managed a sliver of the vote in the primaries. Nobody came out for him. He obviously didn't campaign well. I mean, he had the entire establishment behind him and wasn't trying to court more young people who tend to vote against him anyway. Just a bad campaign.

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Samurontai posted...

You realize Biden won by like 80 electoral votes or something, and 6-8 million popular votes, right?

I hardly call that scraping by

When your opponent is Donald Trump and he manages to get 70 million votes, you did a shit job.

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