Poll of the Day > Biden is still President-Elect; Trump is still President-Reject (Part II)

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Blightzkrieg
12/31/20 8:10:30 PM
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In the short term no, in the long term it raises doubts about the "just vote out the people trying to destroy democracy" strategy

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streamofthesky
12/31/20 8:32:04 PM
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If republicans hate the electoral college so much, I'm sure Dems would love to help them out and abolish it.

And yes, it's disturbing that the majority of Republicans want to destroy our democratic process. But, as this year finally comes to a close and we look ahead to 2021, think of this and take heart: At least Trump won't be in office anymore. There's probably some parallel universes out there where Trump won or led a military coup to stay in power. We are NOT in the worst timeline anymore!
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BlackScythe0
01/01/21 11:20:53 AM
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The drunk lady who was a key part of Rudys misinformation campaign lied about her employment.

https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/melissa-carone-could-possibly-face-a-lawsuit

"We write to you now, because you have positioned yourself as a prominent leader of the ongoing misinformation campaign by pretending to have some sort of "insiders knowledge" regarding Dominions business activities when in reality you were hired through a staffing agency for one day to clean glass on machines and complete other menial tasks," the letter states.
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OhhhJa
01/01/21 11:27:37 AM
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Distrust in dominion has historically been bipartisan. Plenty of democrats including Stacy Abrams expressed distrust in their software. It's only now that it involves trump that the software has suddenly become 100% infallible. By the way, trump's legal team's tech department hacked into it in minutes during a live hearing lol.

By the way, I'm not here saying trump won the election or anything, but I am saying that these voting machines are and have always been susceptible to hacks. I am 100% against electronic voting. The only way to truly ensure a 100% fair election is with paper ballots among other safeguards
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BlackScythe0
01/01/21 11:37:12 AM
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OhhhJa posted...
Distrust in dominion has historically been bipartisan. Plenty of democrats including Stacy Abrams expressed distrust in their software. It's only now that it involves trump that the software has suddenly become 100% infallible. By the way, trump's legal team's tech department hacked into it in minutes during a live hearing lol.

By the way, I'm not here saying trump won the election or anything, but I am saying that these voting machines are and have always been susceptible to hacks. I am 100% against electronic voting. The only way to truly ensure a 100% fair election is with paper ballots among other safeguards

Who says they are infallible? Read what you wrote and understand your nonsense.
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Phantom_Nook
01/01/21 11:40:12 AM
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OhhhJa posted...
Distrust in dominion has historically been bipartisan.

Yes, the famous Dominion that we've all totally heard of before now.

I'm not here saying trump won the election or anything

Yet here you are, shilling for him
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OhhhJa
01/01/21 11:40:18 AM
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BlackScythe0 posted...
Who says they are infallible? Read what you wrote and understand your nonsense.
I'm reading what I wrote and I'm not seeing what you think is nonsense. Prominent democrats prior to the 2020 election have been on record saying they think there are issues with dominion. Now, these same people are either silent are pretending it's conspiracy theory to claim they have issues
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OhhhJa
01/01/21 11:45:48 AM
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Phantom_Nook posted...
Yes, the famous Dominion that we've all totally heard of before now.

https://www.warren.senate.gov/oversight/letters/warren-klobuchar-wyden-and-pocan-investigate-vulnerabilities-and-shortcomings-of-
election-technology-industry-with-ties-to-private-equity

Remove the space before "election"

Dang. I guess we have in fact heard of them lmao

Phantom_Nook posted...
Yet here you are, shilling for him
Ok. Simple facts are shilling
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adjl
01/01/21 11:52:23 AM
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OhhhJa posted...
Distrust in dominion has historically been bipartisan. Plenty of democrats including Stacy Abrams expressed distrust in their software. It's only now that it involves trump that the software has suddenly become 100% infallible. By the way, trump's legal team's tech department hacked into it in minutes during a live hearing lol.

By the way, I'm not here saying trump won the election or anything, but I am saying that these voting machines are and have always been susceptible to hacks. I am 100% against electronic voting. The only way to truly ensure a 100% fair election is with paper ballots among other safeguards

Obviously they aren't infallible. The point is not - nor has it ever been - that no fraud of any sort occurred during this or any other election. I don't know why you insist on beating that dead strawman. The point is that there's no evidence of fraud on a sufficiently large or partisan scale to have influenced this election in Biden's favour. Trump's key witness lying about having been employed in a position that allowed her to observe large amounts of pro-Biden fraud is just another nail in the coffin of that particular fantasy.

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BlackScythe0
01/01/21 11:55:23 AM
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OhhhJa posted...
I'm reading what I wrote and I'm not seeing what you think is nonsense. Prominent democrats prior to the 2020 election have been on record saying they think there are issues with dominion. Now, these same people are either silent are pretending it's conspiracy theory to claim they have issues

You are lying. You are blatantly lying.

People are claiming they intentionally flipped millions of votes with no basis or evidence.
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OhhhJa
01/01/21 11:59:32 AM
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Except skilled hackers can easily hack into networks and destroy evidence that they were ever there in the first place. If you admit these machines are susceptible to hacks then I don't know how you can say thats ok or that you know that there hasn't been any large scale vote switching without any sort of real investigation into their software. I'm not eliminating other companies from blame either. Republicans pushed smartmatic. I think these elections are quite possibly hacking contests to some degree and thats why republicans and democrats alike push these voting machines (with ties to private equity i might add)
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BlackScythe0
01/01/21 12:01:57 PM
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OhhhJa posted...
Except skilled hackers can easily hack into networks and destroy evidence that they were ever there in the first place. If you admit these machines are susceptible to hacks then I don't know how you can say thats ok or that you know that there hasn't been any large scale vote switching without any sort of real investigation into their software. I'm not eliminating other companies from blame either. Republicans pushed smartmatic. I think these elections are quite possibly hacking contests to some degree and thats why republicans and democrats alike push these voting machines (with ties to private equity i might add)

Hand recounts occurred. That is how we know there was no vote switching.

You are the one lying and making up nonsense like this is the wild west with no one having any clue what is going on.
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OhhhJa
01/01/21 12:07:25 PM
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BlackScythe0 posted...
Hand recounts occurred. That is how we know there was no vote switching.

You are the one lying and making up nonsense like this is the wild west with no one having any clue what is going on.

If you really believe a hand recount is gonna routinely find when a voting machine has been hacked then I feel you truly don't have a clue whats going on

Side note, there was at least one instance found of 6000 votes switching from trump to biden
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adjl
01/01/21 12:08:23 PM
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OhhhJa posted...
Except skilled hackers can easily hack into networks and destroy evidence that they were ever there in the first place. If you admit these machines are susceptible to hacks then I don't know how you can say thats ok or that you know that there hasn't been any large scale vote switching without any sort of real investigation into their software.
adjl posted...
The point is not - nor has it ever been - that no fraud of any sort occurred during this or any other election.
adjl posted...
The point is that there's no evidence of fraud on a sufficiently large or partisan scale to have influenced this election in Biden's favour.

Could it have happened? Sure. Can't really prove that it didn't (although hand recounts that found nothing unusual do make it quite a bit less likely). We also can't really prove that Biden didn't spend election night giving a blowjob to sentient lizard man. "There's no evidence" doesn't mean "this conclusively didn't happen," it means "we have no reason to believe this happened." If you want to give people reason to believe it's happened, then provide evidence.

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Entity13
01/01/21 12:15:01 PM
#473:


The burden of proof is on the claimant - always.

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streamofthesky
01/01/21 12:17:19 PM
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BlackScythe0 posted...
The drunk lady who was a key part of Rudys misinformation campaign lied about her employment.

https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/melissa-carone-could-possibly-face-a-lawsuit

"We write to you now, because you have positioned yourself as a prominent leader of the ongoing misinformation campaign by pretending to have some sort of "insiders knowledge" regarding Dominions business activities when in reality you were hired through a staffing agency for one day to clean glass on machines and complete other menial tasks," the letter states.

Once more w/ bold for emphasis, so maybe @OhhhJa can understand why she's being sued.

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OhhhJa
01/01/21 12:18:39 PM
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Entity13 posted...
The burden of proof is on the claimant - always.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/software-glitch-in-michigan-sent-6-000-trump-votes-to-biden/ar-BB1aMk7c

streamofthesky posted...
Once more w/ bold for emphasis, so maybe @OhhhJa can understand why she's being sued.
Yeah I saw this like 4 days ago. Old news yall. Maybe it was 3 days ago
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Jen0125
01/01/21 12:20:53 PM
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https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1344749990703411205?s=19

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BlackScythe0
01/01/21 12:24:35 PM
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OhhhJa posted...
If you really believe a hand recount is gonna routinely find when a voting machine has been hacked then I feel you truly don't have a clue whats going on

Side note, there was at least one instance found of 6000 votes switching from trump to biden

A hand recount will absolutely 100% find if the actual votes differed from what was reported from the machines. Especially in the amounts claimed by the lunatics. So you're lying.

Edit, so you're talking about a thing that was caught and fixed. Problem?
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adjl
01/01/21 12:26:20 PM
#478:


OhhhJa posted...
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/software-glitch-in-michigan-sent-6-000-trump-votes-to-biden/ar-BB1aMk7c

So they identified an unusual result, took a closer look at it, and remedied the error that caused it. Sounds to me like the whole system worked as intended.

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OhhhJa
01/01/21 12:42:58 PM
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adjl posted...
So they identified an unusual result, took a closer look at it, and remedied the error that caused it. Sounds to me like the whole system worked as intended.
They found this particular instance after public pressure forced them to check it out
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Entity13
01/01/21 12:47:21 PM
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Yeah, that does not appear to be wrongdoing on the Dems' part, nor any sort of conspiracy against Trump. It's rectifying an error, rather than stamping their feet and saying they won all along when the numbers say otherwise. Believing otherwise seems to be giving in to foundless conspiracy, which we've been expecting of you for some time, OJ.

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Metalsonic66
01/01/21 12:48:51 PM
#481:


Kemp is being attacked by Trump despite the fact that he's a huge Trump supporter.

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OhhhJa
01/01/21 12:49:28 PM
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BlackScythe0 posted...
A hand recount will absolutely 100% find if the actual votes differed from what was reported from the machines. Especially in the amounts claimed by the lunatics. So you're lying.

Edit, so you're talking about a thing that was caught and fixed. Problem?
You really believe a hand recount is looking to see if machines were hacked lol. Hint: they aren't. Hell, they weren't even matching signatures. I've seen a lot of people conflating recounts and audits as well
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OhhhJa
01/01/21 12:51:34 PM
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I feel I've already explained that election tampering is a bipartisan issue and that these machines are tampered with by both parties. But the die hard never Trumper crowd can never see anything as something other than "qUiT dEfEnDiNg TrUmP!"
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Blightzkrieg
01/01/21 12:57:03 PM
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OhhhJa posted...
I feel I've already explained that election tampering is a bipartisan issue and that these machines are tampered with by both parties. But the die hard never Trumper crowd can never see anything as something other than "qUiT dEfEnDiNg TrUmP!"
Because you're making shitty arguments in bad faith dude. Everybody knows what you are, so you're not getting the benefit of the doubt when you can't even string a bare minimum argument together.

You spent years defending the presence of Russian interference, which was proven and acknowledged to have happened by multiple parts of the government, most notably the republican Senate, and now you want people to believe you when you argue for unproven nonsense with no evidence?

You're a fucking joke dude.

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OhhhJa
01/01/21 1:00:58 PM
#485:


I've put much more than a bare minimum argument together. What I haven't gotten is any rebuttal of any substance. Especially your obviously angry response lmao.

And we're back to Russia Russia Russia
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Entity13
01/01/21 1:23:44 PM
#486:


No, we're back to you pushing the conspiracy of tampering being heavier from the left than the right, especially in this recent election, and evidence that exists comes of the contrary in which it is especially coming from the right. Of course hand-counting will only happen when the case is brought up to them, just like the Supreme Court only rules when a case reaches them; that's a measure of the system, not of any one party. You have not put together a case for anything beyond that point, just more claims, and what links you share support what we have all been telling you for the last two months.

If your intent is surely otherwise, then maybe rework and reword your so-called arguments, because you're clearly getting nowhere.

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Metalsonic66
01/01/21 1:28:13 PM
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They really pushed hard to figure out the the fraud last time didn't they? Oh wait.

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Joe_Biden
01/01/21 1:33:43 PM
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Metalsonic66 posted...

They really pushed hard to figure out the the fraud last time didn't they? Oh wait.
he did, actually, and all that was found was fraud in his favor, so it was quietly dropped.

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streamofthesky
01/01/21 1:51:25 PM
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Joe_Biden posted...
he did, actually, and all that was found was fraud in his favor, so it was quietly dropped.
And we, the public found out due to Reality Winner leaking the findings of Russian interference to us. For which she was unjustly put in jail in the longest sentence for a leaker in U.S. history.
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BlackScythe0
01/02/21 12:05:58 AM
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OhhhJa posted...
You really believe a hand recount is looking to see if machines were hacked lol. Hint: they aren't. Hell, they weren't even matching signatures. I've seen a lot of people conflating recounts and audits as well

What is wrong with you? How the fuck could a hand recount have anything to do with hacking? What the fuck are you even trying here?

A hand recount proves that the votes were accurately reported the first time. They disproved the lies you want to believe.
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Mead
01/02/21 12:09:23 AM
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trump is dump

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Phantom_Nook
01/02/21 2:09:08 AM
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Entity13
01/02/21 2:15:00 AM
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SantaKhala
01/02/21 5:17:12 PM
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We'll find out on Wednesday. Currently 6 or 7 states have dueling electors, in which they're sending in votes for both Trump and Biden. If Mike Pence chooses Biden's votes, Trump loses. If he chooses Trump's votes, Trump wins.

If he chooses neither (the most likely scenario), nobody reaches 270, and Congress debates. The House of Representatives then votes for our next president. So until now nobody is guaranteed to win...

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Blightzkrieg
01/02/21 5:41:11 PM
#495:


SantaKhala posted...
We'll find out on Wednesday. Currently 6 or 7 states have dueling electors, in which they're sending in votes for both Trump and Biden. If Mike Pence chooses Biden's votes, Trump loses. If he chooses Trump's votes, Trump wins.

If he chooses neither (the most likely scenario), nobody reaches 270, and Congress debates. The House of Representatives then votes for our next president. So until now nobody is guaranteed to win...
At least half of this sounds illegal but the electoral system is a fucking trashfire at the best of times so idk

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Mead
01/02/21 5:45:04 PM
#496:


The VP literally does not the ability to do that

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Phantom_Nook
01/02/21 5:47:55 PM
#497:


SantaKhala posted...
Currently 6 or 7 states have dueling electors

You mean people in certain states pretended to be electors, and it doesn't matter in the slightest.

Mead posted...
The VP literally does not the ability to do that

If they did, why didn't Biden do it in 2016?
Or Al Gore in 2000?
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streamofthesky
01/02/21 5:59:18 PM
#498:


Alright, ready for Part 3?
I'm amazed we actually need a part 3, but here we are.
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Phantom_Nook
01/02/21 6:14:59 PM
#499:


streamofthesky posted...
Alright, ready for Part 3?
I'm amazed we actually need a part 3, but here we are.

Trump really is a whiny bitch.
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streamofthesky
01/02/21 6:16:55 PM
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