Current Events > "No, you move." The story of USA in a single panel

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Basically the entire ethos of America, amazing how it's just as relevant today as it was years ago
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Don't compare Cap to these fools.

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Cap would side with Biden though. Trump goes against everything Cap stands for

Donald Trump konfirmed Captain America.
Nice knowing you all when Pence gets his cyborg arm.

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I mean it's a short-sighted mantra.

The implication is that you, the individual, know better than all of "them".

And honestly "them" could be whoever you pick.

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can confirm

Native Americans: "Hey what's going on here? why are you killing us and stealing our land? Move!"
Americans: "No, you move."
Native Americans: "What the fuck."
*is genocided and forced into reservations*

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I disagree with cap. that sounds corny

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Except Cap is kind of wrong here. When the entire world decides youre wrong then its probably time to rethink your position, not dig your heels in like some obstinate ass.

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I imagine the writer of this panel wrote it not realizing how many Americans want to stand up for their beliefs in fascism.

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That works when you are Captain America and are genuinely on the right side of just about every issue.

It falls apart when you are your average politician.

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BeyondWalls posted...

Except Cap is kind of wrong here. When the entire world decides youre wrong then its probably time to rethink your position, not dig your heels in like some obstinate ass.

If I remember right he said this in Civil War. in the comic version of Civil War, Iron Man was literally locking up super heroes in a prison in another dimension. just for refusing to give up their secret identities. Cap was in the right when he was using this line.

Gheb posted...

That works when you are Captain America and are genuinely on the right side of just about every issue.

It falls apart when you are your average politician.

This lol. It works in a fictitious world where you're always good and just.

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Zikten posted...

Cap was in the right when he was using this line.

Yeah, at that very specific point in time.

The problem is he's framing it as a life lesson, and an American ideal.

And it's neither. It's just something that was useful then.

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Chicken posted...

That got retconned. it itself was a retcon also I think. I never finished that story but from what I understand it went like this

Hydra used time travel to go back and corrupt young Cap and make him grow up with their ideals. This changed the timeline and made Cap evil. But at the end of the story I think someone went back in time again and undid Cap's Hydra brain washing and restored the timeline to its original state. or something like that. but it wasn't that Cap was always evil. it was only due to time travel shenanigans

Basically we need to stand by Joe Biden and tell the Trump zealots you move the Fuck out

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As long as you stand true to what nature and the universe wants for you, everything else is but an obstacle in your path, and as your choices on how reality affects your internal self, your ability to choose how to respond will determine the path you carve for yourself; whatever your internal-self puts its focus on and expends energy on, you will draw an equal amount of energy towards your outer-self. The body is powered by the mind, and the mind is powered by the spirit. If your spirit is weak or corrupted, everything else in your life will be as well.

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The quote's a double edge sword. It's to inspire you to fight for your ideals and what you believe is right. Problem is, it's easy to misuse it and wave it behind terrible banners if given the chance.

It's a cool quote ideal for a Super Hero situation but things aren't so black and white enough that odds are you aren't standing up for the "RIGHT" and everyone else is "WRONG."

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Wasn't there some comic recently with Red Skull or some such giving a motivational speech that backfired on the editors? Like if you cut out the mustache twirling "kill puppies and babies" it'd be something Cap might say.

don't take my word for it though, I haven't followed any super hero stuff in a looooong time

Zikten posted...

That got retconned. it itself was a retcon also I think. I never finished that story but from what I understand it went like this

Hydra used time travel to go back and corrupt young Cap and make him grow up with their ideals. This changed the timeline and made Cap evil. But at the end of the story I think someone went back in time again and undid Cap's Hydra brain washing and restored the timeline to its original state. or something like that. but it wasn't that Cap was always evil. it was only due to time travel shenanigans

Lol superheroes

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Zikten posted...

That got retconned. it itself was a retcon also I think. I never finished that story but from what I understand it went like this

Hydra used time travel to go back and corrupt young Cap and make him grow up with their ideals. This changed the timeline and made Cap evil. But at the end of the story I think someone went back in time again and undid Cap's Hydra brain washing and restored the timeline to its original state. or something like that. but it wasn't that Cap was always evil. it was only due to time travel shenanigans

So what youre saying someone can just go back in time and make Cap lose his iron clad ideals on a whim.

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CyricZ posted...

I imagine the writer of this panel wrote it not realizing how many Americans want to stand up for their beliefs in fascism.

This panel is from a story from the 2000s. I imagine it'd be very differently received today.

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plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth

too bad you can convince stupid people the truth to be anything.

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BeyondWalls posted...

Except Cap is kind of wrong here. When the entire world decides youre wrong then its probably time to rethink your position, not dig your heels in like some obstinate ass.

Nope.
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Ivynn posted...

This panel is from a story from the 2000s. I imagine it'd be very differently received today.

Yeah this was peak War on Terror/Patriot Act era of government overreach. Completely different tone.

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"sir, this is a lighthouse, but okay"
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Zikten posted...

That got retconned. it itself was a retcon also I think. I never finished that story but from what I understand it went like this

Hydra used time travel to go back and corrupt young Cap and make him grow up with their ideals. This changed the timeline and made Cap evil. But at the end of the story I think someone went back in time again and undid Cap's Hydra brain washing and restored the timeline to its original state. or something like that. but it wasn't that Cap was always evil. it was only due to time travel shenanigans

Didn't it turn out to be that Cap was undercover and only pretending? And wasn't there a similar situation done before where cap was a skrull? Comics are no strangers to heroes turning villains
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Great, anti-maskers / vaxxers are going to use this panel to justify their stance.
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Chicken posted...

So what youre saying someone can just go back in time and make Cap lose his iron clad ideals on a whim.

I think the point of thr story was that anyone can be turned evil if they are raised to be evil

Something about nature vs nurture

saspa posted...

Didn't it turn out to be that Cap was undercover and only pretending? And wasn't there a similar situation done before where cap was a skrull? Comics are no strangers to heroes turning villains

Like I said I never read the ending so I dont really know

They referenced hydra cap in a later Avengers story (Tony, Thor, and Steve were literally at a bar laughing about how they had all been evil or depowered at one point) so regardless if it got fixed, the events still seem to exist somehow. >_>

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Hmm. Replace "whole world" with "evidence based views" and it gets close.

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BeyondWalls posted...

Except Cap is kind of wrong here. When the entire world decides youre wrong then its probably time to rethink your position, not dig your heels in like some obstinate ass.

This is a bad take. What if the entire world decided human sacrifices to the sun god was okay?

America is the country that matters after all.

if the world was a video game. trump would be the default template american.

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coh posted...

This is a bad take. What if the entire world decided human sacrifices to the sun god was okay?

and what if the whole world says vaccines dont cause autism?

The problem with this mantra is that as applicable it is to genuine instances where the world is wrong (as in your example), its just as easily abused by dweebuses who refuse to acknowledge that the world is right (as in my example).

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The_Korey posted...

Donald Trump konfirmed Captain America.
Nice knowing you all when Pence gets his cyborg arm.

No, Trump is the Orange Skull.

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Zikten posted...

I think the point of thr story was that anyone can be turned evil if they are raised to be evil

Something about nature vs nurture

I guess DC did something similar with Superman, red son/sun. Superman lands in Russia instead of America and is raised by communism (so I guess the government? Stalin? A government mandated mother and father team?)

And there, I guess he's kind of a bad guy? But then also kind of not? He still has some of his ideals? So it makes for an interesting take on the nature vs nurture debate.
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saspa posted...

I guess DC did something similar with Superman, red son/sun. Superman lands in Russia instead of America and is raised by communism (so I guess the government? Stalin? A government mandated mother and father team?)

And there, I guess he's kind of a bad guy? But then also kind of not? He still has some of his ideals? So it makes for an interesting take on the nature vs nurture debate.

He was raised by the government, more or less.

It's kind of interesting because communist Russia is arguably a utopia under Superman, but it requires his constant attention and it still uses brutal authoritarian tactics to control dissidents.

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saspa posted...

Didn't it turn out to be that Cap was undercover and only pretending? And wasn't there a similar situation done before where cap was a skrull? Comics are no strangers to heroes turning villains

No. Hydra Cap was created due to a kid using reality warping powers. She basically changed his past and he was an actual person.

Wait She?
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A piece of trash!

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ThyCorndog posted...

I disagree with cap. that sounds corny

This. It's corny as hell lol.

"River of Truth"


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I feel like if the whole world collectively agreed that you should move, you should probably move.

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Ivynn posted...

This panel is from a story from the 2000s. I imagine it'd be very differently received today.

How was it received back then and how would it differ today?
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saspa posted...

Wait She?

Yes, the character was a young girl.

CyricZ posted...

I imagine the writer of this panel wrote it not realizing how many Americans want to stand up for their beliefs in fascism.

Or he wrote it in context of the story being told. Cap is saying that in response to superheroes doing fucked up shit in the name of whats right, and Caps there to remind you that he is objectively correct, and they are objectively in the wrong, because hes Captain fucking America. These types of tough, stand up for truth and whats right monologues are what Cap is there for, and thats exactly what the story called for in that moment.

Nobody who is a fan of Captain America will get to that part in the comic book and go, well fuck, I guess that validates all my fascist tendencies now!. Its just edge lords using a single panel, out of context, comic book meme quote to push their bullshit. If they were actually fans of Captain America, and not just posting dumbshit memes, they probably wouldnt be fascists in the first place.

Dont blame the writer of cheesy superhero monologues for the stupidity of the internet.

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Do you really believe that though?
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