Current Events > There's nothing Democrats can do to get Republicans to vote for them.

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68 million people are not voting for Trump because of policy. Democrats didn't lose House seats and fail to flip Senate seats because of policy. It's because they're Democrats and the very concept of being a Democrat is seen as un-American by half of the voting population.

There's a fear of white Americans losing control of society to minorities. There's a fear of society becoming "weaker" and more feminized. These fears are what drive the support for Trump, because he "tells it like it is" and shits all over the people who Republicans see as threatening their current place in society. They would never be caught dead identifying as or voting for a Democrat.

I don't know what Democrats can do to expand their base, but they need to stop trying to reach across the aisle. It doesn't work.

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Lincoln project???

Joe the big man Biden is about to get 300+ EVs because white dudes (without a college education) like him more than Clinton

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_TrustOurAces_ posted...

Lincoln project???

Was a useless scam

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That what I said. The democrats need to stop wasting time on moderate republicans and start focusing on actually getting liberals and especially younger people to actually go vote.

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Phynaster posted...

Was a useless scam

That worked?

_TrustOurAces_ posted...

That worked?

93% of Republican votes went to Trump, 3% more than 2016

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They can give them free money.

UBI

That's all.

ssk9716757 posted...

There's a fear of white Americans losing control of society to minorities.

Trump lost support with straight white men, but he actually gained larger numbers from every other demographic this cycle.

Yeah.

Not sure how you court people who support a man who admits sexual assault, openly mocks the disabled, none white or females, who openly lies and uses fascist rhetoric and so on. They are happy to support a terrible human being and democrats changing their stances to appease them won't draw them away it will just turn people off democrats.

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Phynaster posted...

93% of Republican votes went to Trump, 3% more than 2016

How many people left the Republican Party though?

shockthemonkey posted...

Did it work?

Phynaster posted...

93% of Republican votes went to Trump, 3% more than 2016

They're former Republicans tbf...now they're independents. You look at the margins, the independent swing, and it seems plausible to me. I mean he's running even with white people in arizona! He's ahead with independents pretty big, when Clinton lost them. He did also get marginally more gop votes while Trump did not, so he decreased the margin by a hair there at least.

It's not like a slam dunk or anything, I'm open to other theories and explanations.

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I genuinely think its the language and rhetoric Democrats use that is a huge turnoff to moderate conservatives. There are plenty of people who are simply willing to double down and continue voting republican because theyre continually insulted and assumed to be racist, homophobic, and sexist by the left simply for voting republican in the past. You cant keep insulting people for years and suddenly expect them to come to your side.

Balrog0 posted...

Joe the big man Biden is about to get 300+ EVs because white dudes (without a college education) like him more than Clinton

The margins he's getting those votes by are still razor-thin. Without Trump's extreme mismanagement of Covid and the economic fallout it's questionable whether that'd still be the case.

Plus the increased hate for Clinton is perfectly explained by 1) her being a woman, and 2) her campaign going much harder than Biden's in centering minorities and inclusiveness.

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dodgefan91 posted...

I genuinely think its the language and rhetoric Democrats use that is a huge turnoff to moderate conservatives. There are plenty of people who are simply willing to double down and continue voting republican because theyre continually insulted and assumed to be racist, homophobic, and sexist by the left simply for voting republican in the past. You cant keep insulting people for years and suddenly expect them to come to your side.

But the fascist and white supremacist rhetoric Trump uses doesnt? Fuck off

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Need to forget about reaching across the aisle and focus on increasing your base by genuine POC outreach, focusing on policy, and mobilizing the youth. No more trotting out old fucks like Biden but also not young phonies like Buttiegieg

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But John Kasich voted for Biden

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Never forget, Republicans and Democrats are ultimately both liberals. Ones more classical and the others progressive.

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armandro posted...

Never forget, Republicans and Democrats are ultimately both liberals. Ones more classical and the others progressive.

This is false.

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Of course there is, but that'll never happen if they just keep going further left.

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Yeah we don't like democrats but they've brought it on themselves

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armandro posted...

Never forget, Republicans and Democrats are ultimately both liberals. Ones more classical and the others progressive.

Other way around there, bud. Theyre both righties, Republicans are just crossing into lunatic level far-right territory.

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TomNook20 posted...

Of course there is, but that'll never happen if they just keep going further left.

I know youre a gimmick, but the Democratic party has moved slightly left over the past 20-30 years while the Republican party has moved sharply right. So. Shut up.

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ssk9716757 posted...

The margins he's getting those votes by are still razor-thin. Without Trump's extreme mismanagement of Covid and the economic fallout it's questionable whether that'd still be the case.

I'm not convinced that hurt Trump much. His net favorables fell early on but they recovered when the economy started to. I did expect it to hurt him more, but I dunno how much Biden benefited.

ssk9716757 posted...

Plus the increased hate for Clinton is perfectly explained by 1) her being a woman, and 2) her campaign going much harder than Biden's in centering minorities and inclusiveness.

Oh yeah man I agree. My opinion is that trying to center minorites turns off white conservatives too much for it to be a viable strategy in most of flyover country. Like you can let 15-20% or more of non-white voters go if you can pick up 10% of whites. Pretty depressing

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high brain hot takes

Though I am interested how much of it is the campaign and how much of it is simply sexism/decades of hits on her public image. It's one variable that you really can't directly observe afaik

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dodgefan91 posted...

I genuinely think its the language and rhetoric Democrats use that is a huge turnoff to moderate conservatives. There are plenty of people who are simply willing to double down and continue voting republican because theyre continually insulted and assumed to be racist, homophobic, and sexist by the left simply for voting republican in the past. You cant keep insulting people for years and suddenly expect them to come to your side.

lol

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dodgefan91 posted...

I genuinely think its the language and rhetoric Democrats use that is a huge turnoff to moderate conservatives. There are plenty of people who are simply willing to double down and continue voting republican because theyre continually insulted and assumed to be racist, homophobic, and sexist by the left simply for voting republican in the past. You cant keep insulting people for years and suddenly expect them to come to your side.

100% the truth. Do it to own the libs

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Balrog0 posted...

I'm not convinced that hurt Trump much. His net favorables fell early on but they recovered when the economy started to. I did expect it to hurt him more, but I dunno how much Biden benefited.

I agree it didn't benefit him much, but whatever benefit there was (from either Trump's mishandling of Covid/the economy or any of Trump's other deficiencies) was enough to put him over in some key states.

Balrog0 posted...

Though I am interested how much of it is the campaign and how much of it is simply sexism/decades of hits on her public image. It's one variable that you really can't directly observe afaik

Yeah they're too inextricably linked to be studied independently. The sexism directly fed into the intensity of the hits on her image and vice versa.

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Phynaster posted...

I know youre a gimmick, but the Democratic party has moved slightly left over the past 20-30 years while the Republican party has moved sharply right. So. Shut up.

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Post on your main or shut the fuck up.

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TomNook20 posted...

Post on your main or shut the fuck up.

why is this the go to for trump trolls?

so pathetic

So TC is basically saying Civil War is the only answer.

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Why do shitposters need so many alts? Oh we know the answer to that.

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The Republicans are at the table and ready to work with Democrats if they would just be willing to meet them halfway. They aren't asking for much. Declare any economic policies left of Reagan to be radical communism. Recognize abortion as murder. Allow discrimination against anyone that may offend Christian beliefs. Just a few little sacrifices like that. The needs of the country outweigh the needs of millions of people in the country.

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I'd vote democrat more often if they chilled on the taxes, that and put up a sane candidate.
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@TomNook20 s post got deleted, that was to me?

my main is in my sig. i know reading is hard. Now post on YOUR main (instead of this account you bought)

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CruelBuffalo posted...

How many people left the Republican Party though?

Net negative. Yes some people left but they gained more than they lost

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if the dnc would stop pushing unapologetically neoliberal candidates that alone would win them some republican votes

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Balrog0 posted...

They're former Republicans tbf...now they're independents. You look at the margins, the independent swing, and it seems plausible to me. I mean he's running even with white people in arizona! He's ahead with independents pretty big, when Clinton lost them. He did also get marginally more gop votes while Trump did not, so he decreased the margin by a hair there at least.

It's not like a slam dunk or anything, I'm open to other theories and explanations.

Trump choked in Arizona because of McCain insults and the Arpaio pardon. Also his racist ass base likely didn't appreciate his outreach to Cubans in Florida.

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