Poll of the Day > Richard Spencer Proudly votes for JOE BIDEN and says TO HELL WITH LIBERTARIANS!

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Trailer Trash, White Supremacist, Richard Spencer says he voted for JOE BIDEN and tweeted "To Hell with this libertarian ideology"

Known for popularizing the term "alt-right" voted for Trump in 2016 but withdrew it after the drone strike that killed Iranian General Qassem Soleimani

He said the the Republican became "ineffective" and declared support for Biden as the biden campaign quickly rejected his support but that didn't stop him from voting for him anyway

He said "I voted straight Dem" then accompanied his picture marking the Biden-Harris ticket

He also voted for GUN RIGHTS but AGAINST marijuana legalization

When asked why he voted for the Democrats, he said its because "liberals are clearly more competent people. I'm on Team Joe. The MAGA/Alt-right moment is over. I made mistakes. Trump is an obvious disaster. but mainly the paradigm contained flaws that we now are able to perceive and it needs to end"

Biden's campaign manager, Andrew Bates quickly denounced it and said "When Joe Biden says we are in a battle for the soul of our nation against vile forces of hate who have come crawling out from under rocks, you are the epitome of what he means. What you stand for is absolutely repugnant. Your support is 10,000% unwelcome here"

Spencer distanced himself from the GP after the drone strike and apologized to iran and said "After our traitorous elite is brought to justice, we hope to achieve peace, reconciliation and forgiveness"

He created the alt-right term to describe politics that combined racist white nationalism, isolationism and criticism of mainstream conservatism

He also shot to fame when he shouted HAIL TRUMP and did nazi salutes at a Washington rally after Trump won in 2016 and said "No matter what happens, i will profoundly grateful to Donald Trump for the rest of my life"

Do you buy his circus act that he is now a "changed man"?.

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Last I heard he was broke. He's a terrible person, and quite frankly the video of him getting punched is magnificent.

That being said, I'm optimistic that he learned and grew from this experience. People are rightfully angry at him, and he is not entitled to forgiveness. If he is truly changed he has to live with the consequences of his actions. I wonder how many more alt-right members will come out like this in the near future.

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The real question is will Biden disavow his vote? Hell, will Biden even be ASKED to disavow support from a white supremacist? What's that? No? It was just a silly double-standard that Trump was being held to as a means of discrediting him? Thought so.

IronBornCorps posted... quite frankly the video of him getting punched is magnificent.

Your opinion glorifying violence to suppress speech is horrific. Violence isn't an appropriate response to speech, regardless of the opinion being espoused.

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Zeus posted...

The real question is will Biden disavow his vote? Hell, will Biden even be ASKED to disavow support from a white supremacist? What's that? No? It was just a silly double-standard that Trump was being held to as a means of discrediting him? Thought so.

For real. And this guy is actually a straight up white supremacist who believes in "peaceful" ethnic cleansing as opposed to the proud boys who are a basically a boy scouts club lmao

Biden's campaign manager literally said his support is 1000% unwanted...

If Biden is asked to speak on it personally, I have no doubt Biden would clearly condemn him.

Spencer is washed up and I doubt anyone wants to elevate him again by discussing him.

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Zeus posted...

Your opinion glorifying violence to suppress speech is horrific. Violence isn't an appropriate response to speech, regardless of the opinion being espoused.

"I just want to "peacefully" destroy your race and anyone who isn't like me

*Gets punched*

How dare you be upset?! You're suppressing my free speech."

Inciting violence isn't actually protected under free speech, and then people are supprised when people react violently.

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IronBornCorps posted...

"I just want to "peacefully" destroy your race and anyone who isn't like me

*Gets punched*

How dare you be upset?! You're suppressing my free speech."

Inciting violence isn't actually protected under free speech, and then people are supprised when people react violently.

Literally not what inciting violence is -- considering it's a crime with very specific definitions which, if they had been met, would have already resulted in his arrest -- and you're literally advocating violence yourself which undercuts your nonsense argument.

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Zeus posted...

Your opinion glorifying violence to suppress speech is horrific. Violence isn't an appropriate response to speech, regardless of the opinion being espoused.

He was intimately involved in a rally that resulted in a death plus multiple severe injuries. While I personally wish no violence on anyone, at the same time I will shed no tears for him. Him and his ilk were not and never will be welcome in Charlottesville. I don't expect you to understand what the community went though.

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The damage control is strong with this one.

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People on the extreme left and right tend to be either extremely unhappy and/or extremely unstable. That's pretty much the only time anyone joins groups with such hardline crusades. They want to belong, have a purpose, or are basically just incomplete, sad people that somehow think screeching fringe agendas at others will make them content. It doesn't. So they either grow up and move on with their lives or stay in their loser echo chambers.

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Richard Spencer would have been arrested multiple times in Germany for a variety of reasons.

Germany is growing beyond it's racist history, and holds people accountable for clinging to it...unlike the US.

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He didn't change, he just went to back to the party which is worse for minorities

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IronBornCorps posted...

Richard Spencer would have been arrested multiple times in Germany for a variety of reasons.

Germany is growing beyond it's racist history, and holds people accountable for clinging to it...unlike the US.

I think spencer is a piece of shit but you can't think America should cut down their freedom of speech to the level of Germany, Germany is too harsh and everyone should have our level of freedom of speech across the globe

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Clench281 posted...

He was intimately involved in a rally that resulted in a death plus multiple severe injuries. While I personally wish no violence on anyone, at the same time I will shed no tears for him. Him and his ilk were not and never will be welcome in Charlottesville. I don't expect you to understand what the community went though.

...the rally didn't result in the death and injuries, the lone psycho -- who had a history of mental illness and had an absurdly fucked up family history including grandparents who died in a murder-suicide -- was responsible for them. Don't try to fucking spin that shit. And don't use tragedies as an excuse to handwave violence.

IronBornCorps posted...

Richard Spencer would have been arrested multiple times in Germany for a variety of reasons.

Germany is growing beyond it's racist history, and holds people accountable for clinging to it...unlike the US.

https://www.dw.com/en/racism-on-the-rise-in-germany/a-53735536

Overlooking the cringiness of suggesting that we take cues from GERMANY regarding race -- a nation where sports fans routinely engage in the kinds racist behavior that would spark riots in the US and where racism on the whole has steadily been rising -- promoting a previously heavily-fascistic nation's willingness to attack free speech is all kinds of tone-deaf.


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I honestly don't know why I bother discussing anything with you Zeus, you are so exhausting.

If calling for the eradication of an entire race is not inciting violence, then obviously something is wrong the definition. Freedom of speech is not freedom of consequences.

The ONLY comparison I drew from Germany is that Nazi supporters and sympathizers are held accountable legally, because they have laws there. Racism is everywhere, and I won't argue it's not. Again you're exhausting and I had my fill of the argument in 2017 when it happened.

Nazis are bad, and we definitely beat them in WWII by asking nicely and letting them say their peace.

I challenge you to find any point in history where violence was stopped without violence. You'll probably say movements by MLK or Ghandi, which those groups got the **** kicked out of them by authorities.

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i have seen several people talk about free speech in this topic

none of you seem to know what free speech actually means

because no free speech was violated in anything to do with that racist guy up there, and im not talking about zeus this time

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IronBornCorps posted...

I challenge you to find any point in history where violence was stopped without violence. You'll probably say movements by MLK or Ghandi, which those groups got the **** kicked out of them by authorities.

Sort of changing the subject, kinda, but still relevant enough: In terms of protests, the success record of peaceful vs. violent, peaceful is much higher.

This video isn't too long, but it's really good and informative:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJSehRlU34w

But yeah, in terms of dictators like Hitler, in power wanting to conquer other countries, words will never work. They just want to take property from others. And they'll just keep taking until a fight breaks out, except they're stronger because nobody stopped them sooner.

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My first choice is never violence, however there are circumstances where it's called for.

Non violent protests work, and yeah I can believe better than violent ones.

My only issue is that that non violence is exercised typically by one side. It's like telling an abused spouse that if they get abused again they can finally do something about the abuser.

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IronBornCorps posted...

My first choice is never violence, however there are circumstances where it's called for.

Non violent protests work, and yeah I can believe better than violent ones.

My only issue is that that non violence is exercised typically by one side. It's like telling an abused spouse that if they get abused again they can finally do something about the abuser.

I agree, there's a time and a place for both. Did you watch the video though?

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Raddest_Chad posted...

I agree, there's a time and a place for both. Did you watch the video though?

It is late and my partner is asleep. I planned on watching it in the morning.

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IronBornCorps posted...

It is late and my partner is asleep. I planned on watching it in the morning.

I can't stress enough how good it is. I was always pretty firmly in the "violence ultimately solves most things" camp, but her stats and info made me pause on that take.

So yeah, check it out in the morning :)

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I will be sure to watch the video. I just want to emphasize that because I may have enjoyed watching someone get punched for imitating a Nazi does not mean I believe violence solves most things. Their are other ways for sure.

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IronBornCorps posted...

I challenge you to find any point in history where violence was stopped without violence

there was a black guy who converted kkk member by talking with them, they made a movie about him recently

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also according to the left anyone who disagrees with them is a nazi so...

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Wanded posted...

there was a black guy who converted kkk member by talking with them, they made a movie about him recently

He still put himself at risk to do so, but sure. I'll take this point and move on.

*Edit* way to make a decent point and then ruin it with a blanket statement.

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I believe you need to take wording and intent into account when classifying speech as inciting violence. Something passive like "All non-whites should die" is not inciting violence, whereas something more threatening like like "Go and kill all non-whites" is. Both are awful things to say, but the former is an expression of thought while the latter is issuing a command. Though obviously if you say either of these things unironically you need to reap the consequences.

The Dems can keep him, there's no room for him in the welcoming big top of the GOP.
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