Current Events > Honestly, how many COVID deaths do you think there'd be without Trump?

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I'd still think we would be at 100k+ with Hillary or anyone else.

It wouldn't matter who was in office. You can't stop stupid human behavior.

id say at least half as much

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Idk theres a lot of factors such as current trumpish republican governors or whether 2018 wouldve been a red wave backlash against Hillary Clinton

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Most of them would still happen.

The biggest problem isn't Trump himself, but his supporters. The right would still be refusing to follow guidelines and spreading the disease out of spite.

I live in Florida. Nothing would change here.
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Americans do what they want to do. It would be comporable at least

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metralo posted...

id say at least half as much

25% percent less. gen Z will infect everyone else (they have a disregard for public health).
especially college man sluhler or whichever his name was.
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kingdrake2 posted...

25% percent

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If we would have locked down in January for the entire year of 2020, our death rate would go from the current number to only a few hundred.

Life is precious and once it's gone it can't ever come back...so yes, I would sacrifice the economy to hell and back to save all the lives we've already lost.

Saxon posted...

If we would have locked down in January for the entire year of 2020, our death rate would go from the current number to only a few hundred.

Life is precious and once it's gone it can't ever come back...so yes, I would sacrifice the economy to hell and back to save all the lives we've already lost.

And not a single politician would have locked down for that long. Not one.

we'd still have the jackasses screaming about the tyranny of masks, but we'd have had a much stronger/earlier federal response to the pandemic since we'd have had people on the ground in china monitoring the situation and a gameplan to expedite testing across the country.

one of the biggest issues we've had so far is the absolute shit way the trump administration has handled testing. the fact the trump administration didn't throw resources behind fixing that issue very early on, and instead allowed the mass release of faulty gimmick tests onto the market, was a solid kick to the junk that we've not really recovered from. doesn't help that since then the president has played games with funding and turned the whole thing into a political issue.

so to answer, had hillary been president we'd have less deaths. would likely be half the current count at least.

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By and large people were following guidelines before the rush to open everything. We wouldn't have a fascist in office denying aid to blue states or holding super spreader events. There would absolutely be a difference.

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They said it'd be exponential, so either the same or very, very low

I'm just curious what the disbanded pandemic team would have done


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Same amount. People who didnt die in March would just die now instead.

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I think that America's response and rates would have closely mirrored Europe's.

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way less, since we would have used the pandemic playbook and taken this seriously. even though it may be federal overreach to lock things down so long it would be the right move to contain it

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A lot less. Most presidents would have a pandemic plan, which the first step is: hear word of a pandemic? Buy supplies early just in case they are needed. Hell Obama tried to train Trump on it and tested him on pandemics, since most experts expected a pandemic soon.

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We would all be dead.

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Way less? Why? What would be different? Would stupid people stop what they want to do?

either a couple hundred or basically where we are now.

if the pandemic response team still existed to respond to the pandemic, it might have been enough to stop it here before it started. it probably wouldn't, but we'll never know for sure now.

if it didn't, though, she really wouldn't have had the authority to do much anyway. and i guarantee the republic response (both state governments and average voters) would have been even more "fuck you, i won't do what you tell me" than they have been in this timeline.

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maybe like 180k idk

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People who think that there would be a lot less death with Hillary in charge are sadly mistaken. People are going to live how they want to live regardless of whoever is president at the current moment. Other places around the world have similar death rates per population like the UK, Spain, Brazil, Italy and none of them have Trump in office.

It probably would be less deaths with Hillary but just a minor decrease. Like 3-5% lower. People saying 25% or higher are out of their minds

Just as much because we're just stubborn.

About the same, honestly.

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Less but not much less.

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cardoor123 posted...

People who think that there would be a lot less death with Hillary in charge are sadly mistaken. People are going to live how they want to live regardless of whoever is president at the current moment. Other places around the world have similar death rates per population like the UK, Spain, Brazil, Italy and none of them have Trump in office.

It probably would be less deaths with Hillary but just a minor decrease. Like 3-5% lower. People saying 25% or higher are out of their minds

You do realize that having proper supplies before the pandemic broke out would lower it a lot more than that right? Proper warning will get more people safe. Orders sent out to keep people from spreading covid as much would have actually been sent out. There would actually be command.

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The X Dawg posted...

Way less? Why? What would be different? Would stupid people stop what they want to do?

IMNOTRAGED posted...

By and large people were following guidelines before the rush to open everything. We wouldn't have a fascist in office denying aid to blue states or holding super spreader events. There would absolutely be a difference.

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Same amount. People would still pushed back against the guidelines. People would still not be able to afford a covid test. People would still not be able to afford 2 weeks off for quarantine.

Abiz_ posted...

Same amount. People would still pushed back against the guidelines. People would still not be able to afford a covid test. People would still not be able to afford 2 weeks off for quarantine.

With a competent leader, they would get punished for pushing against the guidelines with fines. They would actually have enough tests and not test less.

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Easily under 100,000 just on the fact appropriate measures would have been taken before it got here which on its own would have prevented the vast majority of the spread. There also would've been national leadership on lockdowns, mask mandates, and such and no PPE shortage early on because we would have actually been stockpiling. And Hillary wouldn't constantly be personally spreading disinformation and directly contradicting the scientists at every fucking turn.
Sure dumb people would still be dumb, but the mass confusion and hysteria caused by Trump's outright refusal to lead is the sole reason we're where we are.

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LightHawKnight posted...

they would get punished for pushing against the guidelines with fines

You are saying the BLM protest wouldn't happen? I every much doubt that. As for test idk. I'm doubful. Democrats give 2 shits about the people like Republicans. They only care when it's time to vote.

Abiz_ posted...

You are saying the BLM protest wouldn't happen? I every much doubt that. As for test idk. I'm doubful. Democrats give 2 shits about the people like Republicans. They only care when it's time to vote.

What does the BLM protests have to do with issuing fines for breaking the guidelines?

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more or less the same

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LightHawKnight posted...

What does the BLM protests have to do with issuing fines for breaking the guidelines?

Bunch of people on top of each other screaming(spreading the virus). You don't see that as breaking the 6 feet guildline?

Saxon posted...

If we would have locked down in January for the entire year of 2020, our death rate would go from the current number to only a few hundred.

Life is precious and once it's gone it can't ever come back...so yes, I would sacrifice the economy to hell and back to save all the lives we've already lost.

nancy pelosi told me to go to chinatown and hug someone back in january

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Conflict posted...

The people saying "just as much" are clearly not informed about anything whatsoever because Trump literally disbanded Obama's pandemic defense unit

Abiz_ posted...

Bunch of people on top of each other screaming(spreading the virus). You don't see that as breaking the 6 feet guildline?

And getting a fine would stop protests?

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LightHawKnight posted...

And getting a fine would stop protests?

It was your idea. Not mine. I don't think it would help at all fines that is. If anything you are just hurting the poor that has to work.

Alot more. Do you remember when Trump stopped travel from china and Europe. And was called xenophobic. Meanwhile nancy pelosi was saying come to China town. With no mask?

muchdran posted...

Trump stopped travel from china and Europe

He didn't though. Certainly not in a reasonable amount of time. Look up the facts on the "travel ban" , Trumper

Abiz_ posted...

It was your idea. Not mine. I don't think it would help at all fines that is. If anything you are just hurting the poor that has to work.

Fines would help enforce mask wearing. That would make a lot of idiots at least do the bear minimum. Less rallies would also help. The poor are so fucked right now due to Trumps bullshit and with no government support, that a real president would have actually tried fighting a little for, since it is a literal part of the pandemic plan.

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Looking at most the rest of the world likely more or not the same number we have now honestly. Dunno what The pandemics defense squad could have down that the govemernt and any other couldnt just copy/paste and do themselves.

Assuming they'd be willing to do it in the first place.

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Half. Trump downplayed it completely and encouraged people to not wear masks, while ridiculing other politicians for doing so.

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Probly around 100k, Trump fucked up, but he isn't the reason Americans are fucking morons.

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Prismsblade posted...

Looking at most the rest of the world likely more or not the same number we have now honestly. Dunno what The pandemics defense squad could have down that the govemernt and any other couldnt just copy/paste and do themselves.

Assuming they'd be willing to do it in the first place.

You are telling me, every single other country denied that covid existed. Actively tried to hamper testing? Didn't enforce mask laws or social distancing? Actively tried to make it seem like it would go away in the summer? Reopened almost instantly? Gave no support at all to the poor people during the pandemic? Actively held large rallies? Told people not to wear masks? Laughing and making fun of people that did? Said we did too much testing, and said we will cut back on testing. Ignoring most of what Fauci said and now trying to fire him?

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The X Dawg posted...

Way less? Why? What would be different? Would stupid people stop what they want to do?

Trump politicized the wearing of masks.

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It would be a lot less since the orange moron didn't start advocating masks and social distancing until it was already way too late. From June, 3 months into quarantine, if anybody happens to recall: https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/05/media/white-house-rose-garden-social-distancing/index.html

Visually it was back to business almost as normal, pre-pandemic, without social distancing, despite ongoing recommendations from the Centers for Disease Control to take precautions.

The president seemed to like what he saw.

"You're getting closer together, even you, I noticed," Trump remarked to reporters. "I noticed you're starting to get much closer together. Looks much better."

Since most Trump supporters take his word as gospel and can't chew bubble gum and walk at the same time, it doesn't exactly help.

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I honestly doubt it would be terribly different, maybe a difference of 10-15%? I think it's mostly about the people

But I know a Clinton/Sanders/whatever admin would probably be trying to do something instead of just throwing up their hands so I'd feel better about it

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SuperShake666 posted...

Trump politicized the wearing of masks.

it's actually kind of hilarious that had he just added MAGA masks to his MAGA hats in february or march, he'd be way more likely to win next week.

better pandemic response
advertising
more campaign funds

it defies explanation that he couldn't see this, and doubly so that no one on his staff could successfully convince him to do it anyway.

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LightHawKnight posted...

You are telling me, every single other country denied that covid existed. Actively tried to hamper testing? Didn't enforce mask laws or social distancing? Actively tried to make it seem like it would go away in the summer? Reopened almost instantly? Gave no support at all to the poor people during the pandemic? Actively held large rallies? Told people not to wear masks? Laughing and making fun of people that did? Said we did too much testing, and said we will cut back on testing. Ignoring most of what Fauci said and now trying to fire him?

I'm not going to bother looking up the who, what's and whys for each countrys predicament. We have the raw data and as far as I can tell they're handling it no better then us. Get togethers, partys, rallies, protest, and riots still happened outside of trump control.

Shutting down the economy was a stupid feelz good decision that only screwed over the poor. Becuase OF COURSE the goverment world fail them. Seriously why did that surprise anything? Why didn't they see that coming?

And stupid people who don't understand viruses and wouldn't listen would still exist with or without Trump. They didn't suddenly spawn 4 years ago.

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