Poll of the Day > Denver man killed as far right and far left groups clash

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https://twitter.com/i/status/1315093302589288448

dont' start shit won't be shit

people gotta stay home and chill the fuck out

This happened at a Trump rally, BLM and antifa came to stir trouble, the man who was shot is a trump supporter attending the rally, this is the second trump supporter shot to death by blm and antifa in the last month

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people are absolutely loosing their minds on the streets
just be kind to your neighbors and avoid this madness

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Wanded posted...

This happened at a Trump rally, BLM and antifa came to stir trouble, the man who was shot is a trump supporter attending the rally, this is the second trump supporter shot to death by blm and antifa in the last month

https://twitter.com/DenverPolice/status/1315100293940441088?s=20

Now apologize for spreading lies.

Somehow it never ceases to amaze me how anti-truth you are.

It was so easy to find out the above info that a young child could have googled it.

You either willfully neglected to do ten seconds of research, or you knew it and shared false information on purpose.

Either way, only one word to describe it. SAD.

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Wanded posted...

This happened at a Trump rally, BLM and antifa came to stir trouble, the man who was shot is a trump supporter attending the rally, this is the second trump supporter shot to death by blm and antifa in the last month

not everyone involved in these rallies/protests/riots/shootings is claiming a "side"
this whole "side" thing is really bad, tearing yourselves apart

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Cobalt_Wasps posted...

people are absolutely loosing their minds on the streets
just be kind to your neighbors and avoid this madness

There was a while I was talking with Trumpsters, but all the people I know in my life who are fans of Trump keep going deeper down the conspiracy / Qanon hole that I just keep my mouth shut no matter how painful it is to say quiet over the dumb stuff they say. They're becoming increasingly hostile to anyone who doesn't treat Trump like an object of faith.

ReggieTheReckless posted...

people gotta stay home and chill the fuck out

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Clench281 posted...

You either willfully neglected to do ten seconds of research, or you knew it and shared false information on purpose.

The only information at the time i read about it was that there was a trump rally at denver and that an antifa blm group showed up and confronted them here
https://www.denverpost.com/2020/10/10/denver-protests-saturday-civic-center-park/

"In a news conference after the incident, division Chief Joe Montoya, said police could not confirm the shooters or the victims affiliations, but said the incident started as a verbal altercation. Two guns were found at the scene, he said, as well as a mace can.

The left-wing group which organizers called BLM-Antifa Soup Drive held up flags and signs railing against Nazis and white supremacists as they gathered in the middle of the park, several hundred feet from the barricaded-off amphitheater.
An hour in, police had fired what appeared to be pepper balls after people from the leftist group started rattling a barrier headed into the amphitheater. One protester burned a thin-blue-line flag in front of the officers."

now they updated it because they found out LATER it was someone with the news crew, excuse me for thinking the guy standing with the antifa blm crowd and shooting someone is antifa or blm.

btw, do you think antifa is a real group and a real threat?


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There's an awful lot of words when you could have kept it at "Wanded doesn't know how to do research, makes assumptions and spreads lies."

Literally all you had to do was search for "denver" and click the news tab. There were multiple news stories posted hours before you made this topic that clarified the shooter identity.

Do you honestly read one thing and immediately form an opinion made out of assumptions, then (here's the kicker) spread that il-formed opinion? Yeah, you did.

Congratulations on proving that the content of your political drivel contains precisely zero critical thought and deserves precisely zero consideration. You have forfeited any right to ever complain about "fake news" again.

Now stop making excuses and start trying to be an informed citizen, ok?

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Just another article everyone wants to jump to conclusions on.

The person who shot someone is a bodyguard for one of the news reporters. This isn't a left vs right issue at all.

Theres nothing funny about someone dying at all.

But...

The whole video youre focused on this one guy yelling, Go ahead! Fucking touch me! Mace me, n-word! Youre watching with all your attention focused on him, his hand movements, his body language. The people close to him. And then out of nowhere, off camera, some dude gets shot and just falls straight backwards. You have to appreciate how ironic it all is.

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BlackScythe0 posted...

There was a while I was talking with Trumpsters, but all the people I know in my life who are fans of Trump keep going deeper down the conspiracy / Qanon hole that I just keep my mouth shut no matter how painful it is to say quiet over the dumb stuff they say. They're becoming increasingly hostile to anyone who doesn't treat Trump like an object of faith.

And I am sure it as nothing to do with the poor attitude and actions of regressives like you have toward conservatives, right? You're the victim in this, right? Lol.

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Wanded posted...

btw, do you think antifa is a real group and a real threat?

Did you just try to clean up your mistake and then throw out a random question in hopes Clench would just chase after it?

Conservative media does their viewers no favors in teaching them how to debate.

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Wanded is fake news

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Wanded posted...

excuse me for thinking the guy standing with the antifa blm crowd and shooting someone is antifa or blm.

That is indeed a mistake, one upon which the entire "BLM is a violent movement!" position is predicated. You would do well to be wary of making such assumptions in the future.

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The_tall_midget posted...

And I am sure it as nothing to do with the poor attitude and actions of regressives like you have toward conservatives, right? You're the victim in this, right? Lol.

The poor attitude of people "like me" have caused people to reject reality and fall headlong into a rabbit hole of conspiracy nonsense and get increasingly angry at people who don't accept their nonsense as reality?

Clench281 posted...

https://twitter.com/DenverPolice/status/1315100293940441088?s=20

Now apologize for spreading lies.

Somehow it never ceases to amaze me how anti-truth you are.

It was so easy to find out the above info that a young child could have googled it.

You either willfully neglected to do ten seconds of research, or you knew it and shared false information on purpose.

Either way, only one word to describe it. SAD.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrHvUVEKeT8

kukukupo posted...

Just another article everyone wants to jump to conclusions on.

The person who shot someone is a bodyguard for one of the news reporters. This isn't a left vs right issue at all.

Sounds like another psycho with a gun.
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https://youtu.be/wTVKAlExV04

I guess they don't teach anything about the Pinkertons in school.

During the labor strikes of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, businessmen hired the Pinkerton Agency to infiltrate unions, supply guards, keep strikers and suspected unionists out of factories, and recruit goon squads to intimidate workers. One such confrontation was the Homestead Strike of 1892, in which Pinkerton agents were called in to reinforce the strikebreaking measures of industrialist Henry Clay Frick, acting on behalf of Andrew Carnegie. The ensuing battle between Pinkerton agents and striking workers led to the deaths of three Pinkerton agents and nine steelworkers. The Pinkertons were also used as guards in coal, iron, and lumber disputes in Illinois, Michigan, New York, Pennsylvania, and West Virginia as well as the Great Railroad Strike of 1877 and the Battle of Blair Mountain in 1921.

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ryanell666 posted...

https://youtu.be/wTVKAlExV04

@Clench281 Well, would you look at that, seems i was right and this individual is blm, i personally would also consider him antifa but you and your leftist pals here think antifa is an "idea" so i wouldn't be able to convince you of that.

I said antifa and blm showed to stir trouble at a right wing event
https://imgur.com/3nkN9Z0
as you can see, that is correct, they saw there was an event about to happen and they organized specifically to harass and disturb them with ill intent, they also call themselves blm and antifa (which really puts a damper on that "antifa is an idea" concept doesn't it?)
after that i said the guy being shot is a trump supporter which he is.

Then i said that this is the second right wing guy shot to death by blm/antifa in the last month
i don't think that this guy being shot to death is contested, he was shot by an individual named Matthew Robert Dolloff and this is what people found from his social media
https://imgur.com/ItJ2U38
https://imgur.com/rGCTEWR
https://imgur.com/a/10zegyO
FTP stands for fk the police
https://imgur.com/a/YAgw3Wj
https://imgur.com/8mLyGGC
his follows show a link to antifa
https://twitter.com/BlueFan1973/status/1315394784069128198?s=20
https://twitter.com/BlueFan1973/status/1315394713600622592?s=20
https://twitter.com/odonnell_r/status/1315315022046920704?s=20
It's not hard to see this guy is pro blm, he is also an avid #occupy activist, there are some other ties that link him to antifa but those are verified at the moment
as for the second guy shot by blm/antifa in the span of a month

https://www.dailywire.com/news/portland-da-antifa-supporting-gunman-appeared-to-be-targeting-counterprotesters-allegedly-stalked-victim

so what i said is true, meanwhile the info you supplied turned up to be false
https://imgur.com/ihsZc2n
https://twitter.com/AndreaFloresTV/status/1315421505510088706?s=20

https://www.dailywire.com/news/man-charged-with-murder-of-right-wing-protester-did-not-have-security-guard-license-in-denver-city-says

According to your standard which is "you must apologize for saying something untrue even if the source got it wrong" you need to apologize as well.

but unlike you, i won't ask for that, because i'm not a petty person and realize that these sort of things happen right after such events, sources get things wrong at first and that this is just a dead gaming site board...

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ReggieTheReckless posted...

dont' start shit won't be shit

people gotta stay home and chill the fuck out

this. nothing good is gonna come from any of this.

A Youtuber as a source using the Daily Mail. That's a double whammy.
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Revelation34 posted...

A Youtuber as a source using the Daily Mail. That's a double whammy.

As long as the information they report is accurate it doesn't matter where it came from. I didn't watch the video so I don't know but you're criticising the source and not the information contained therein.

Wanded posted...

@Clench281 Well, would you look at that, seems i was right and this individual is blm, i personally would also consider him antifa but you and your leftist pals here think antifa is an "idea" so i wouldn't be able to convince you of that.

Wanded posted...

Then i said that this is the second right wing guy shot to death by blm/antifa in the last month

Wanded posted...

so what i said is true, meanwhile the info you supplied turned up to be false

Wanded posted...

According to your standard which is "you must apologize for saying something untrue even if the source got it wrong" you need to apologize as well.

I never have an issue with people sharing an opinion or fact that is supported by the best evidence at the time. That's the only way to go about living our lives as informed citizens. Did you do that? Nope. You seem to be under the false impression that spreading unverified assumptions as true fact is okay if it later turns out to be correct. This is obviously wrong--spreading unverified assumptions as fact is inarguably harmful for society because those assumptions often turn out to be incorrect. You shared an unverified assumption that not only lacked evidence, but contradicted the evidence at the time. You can't retroactively claim that you acted in good faith no matter what new information comes out. You could claim that 'your intuition was correct' (I'd still say the jury is still out on that one) but at least you'd be tempering your statements as assumptions.

As for the nuance of the new information that came to light. Arguments had been circulating that the shooter was "part of" BLM/Antifa meaning he was specifically part of the counter-protest, making the conscious choice to go while looking to start trouble. So far, this is unsupported. What we know is that he was there for his job. We don't know how his assignments are determined. If he had the option to choose this assignment, that would lend support. If he was assigned it with no choice, and just showed up to work? Then he didn't have much choice in the matter of attending.

You're arguing as if you presume I'm here to defend this guy for political reasons. Again, unlike you, I'm only interested in using the best information we have available to learn the truth. I neither condemned nor endorsed him or his actions. All I criticized was your use of unverified assumptions (which, again, has not changed). If you want to say that we learned he acted without a license and he was armed when he was not supposed to, I would agree with you (though that doesn't change that he was in fact contracted for security, and seems he's been working in such a position for the last year).

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Clench281 posted...

I never have an issue with people sharing an opinion or fact that is supported by the best evidence at the time

that was the info when i first read about it, they updated it later, the info was that there was a clash between the two groups, one of which is a group calling themselves "blm-antifa soup drive" and the video showed the guy being shot moving toward the blm antifa crowd and getting shot by someone in that crowd, by the time i made the comment they updated it to say it's a security guard, now they say he doesn't have a security guard license, whoever hired him is about to get in trouble for not vetting him and in the end of the day what happened is that people put a gun in the hands of a leftist blm supporter who hates rigth wing people and took him to a right wing event, this also begs the question of whether he was inserting himself into these situations because he wanted to shoot right wing people with the shield of being security, we'll need to wait for the full video and see who started the incident, there is no real way to know his intentions and beliefs if he's hiding them but we are allowed to put 1 plus 1 together, i also said several times that epstein didn't kill himself, there isn't a source backing that up, it's not a fact, sources are backing the claim that it was a suicide

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Was he working for a private security firm or just as himself? A lawyer said the guy that hired him can be charged too which is ridiculous.

Wanded posted...

that was the info when i first read about it, they updated it later, the info was that there was a clash between the two groups, one of which is a group calling themselves "blm-antifa soup drive" and the video showed the guy being shot moving toward the blm antifa crowd and getting shot by someone in that crowd, by the time i made the comment they updated it to say it's a security guard, now they say he doesn't have a security guard license, whoever hired him is about to get in trouble for not vetting him and in the end of the day what happened is that people put a gun in the hands of a leftist blm supporter who hates rigth wing people and took him to a right wing event, this also begs the question of whether he was inserting himself into these situations because he wanted to shoot right wing people with the shield of being security, we'll need to wait for the full video and see who started the incident, there is no real way to know his intentions and beliefs if he's hiding them but we are allowed to put 1 plus 1 together, i also said several times that epstein didn't kill himself, there isn't a source backing that up, it's not a fact, sources are backing the claim that it was a suicide

This is just conspiracy nonsense. We don't know what actually happened.
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Revelation34 posted...

This is just conspiracy nonsense. We don't know what actually happened.

most high profile inmate in forever, already tried to kill himself once so was put on suicide watch, both guards fell asleep, cameras happened to malfunction just at the right time...yeah sure

to my understanding the guy was hired as security

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