Current Events > Would you describe yourself as generally pro life or pro choice?

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Nah, prolixity is using an unnecessary number of words, lol

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joe40001 posted...

If we take a step back from the hypothetical, I guess what I'm saying is that assuming that a fertilized egg is just as human as a baby (which is not something I actually take as assumed), I would think the ethnical judgements on abortion would be different if babies happened to people randomly and were in no way related to sex.

Save for unfortunate cases of rape, for everybody sex is optional. Which is why the ethical question of abortion is different than if babies were random and completely unpredictable.

So do you believe women should carry the child of their rapist to term and raise it themselves, or should they dump them onto the already overburdened adoption system?

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Pro life, but I also don't think I should have power of attorney over another human who is capable of making decisions. I do wish people would avoid it at all costs, and not place themselvse in the situation in the first place (ie use protection and what not.) Not including unavoidable situations, like rape.

So what does that make me?

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Dyinglegacy posted...

Pro life, but I also don't think I should have power of attorney over another human who is capable of making decisions. I do wish people would avoid it at all costs, and not place themselvse in the situation in the first place (ie use protection and what not.)

So what does that make me?

Someone with their own values who is not willing to enforce those values on another persons body. Thats a good thing, dude.

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Pro choice

the idea of taking away body autonomy from people is sickening
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The_Creep_2020 posted...

So do you believe women should carry the child of their rapist to term and raise it themselves, or should they dump them onto the already overburdened adoption system?

My post made a clear distinction on the ethics of abortion when it came to cases of rape.

If we are talking about my personal opinion then that is entirely a function of if a fetus is a human life just like a baby, which is an unresolved question.

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Absolutely pro-choice. Not all life is precious, nor does all life have to make it all the way to birth.

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pro choice, more so since my idiot associate keeps posting stuff like this:

https://imgur.com/a/CjZDY8m

Does this make sense to anyone else?

Drrobotniks posted...

pro choice, more so since my idiot associate keeps posting stuff like this:

https://imgur.com/a/CjZDY8m

Does this make sense to anyone else?

the #NoDebating sums up what a coward he is
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UnfairRepresent posted...

the #NoDebating sums up what a coward he is

I think the irony is that it's actually a woman

the #NoDebating sums up what a coward she is
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Drrobotniks posted...

pro choice, more so since my idiot associate keeps posting stuff like this:

https://imgur.com/a/CjZDY8m

Does this make sense to anyone else?

Maybe Joe can translate for us?

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bump

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the only thing pro-birth people actually want is to be able to control/punish women

Dyinglegacy posted...

Pro life, but I also don't think I should have power of attorney over another human who is capable of making decisions. I do wish people would avoid it at all costs, and not place themselvse in the situation in the first place (ie use protection and what not.) Not including unavoidable situations, like rape.

So what does that make me?

That's just pro-choice, dude. Plenty of pro-choice people would never personally have an abortion.

Also, you're falling into the trap of assuming that anyone who ends up pregnant didn't use protection at all, which just isn't true. Condoms can break. Medication doesn't always take. People can take every precaution and still end up pregnant. Abortion must always be an option.

It's also pretty sad to both claim to support reason and mark the post that literally contains a logically formal proof.

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Pro-life.

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pro choice as long as you don't get women who are having like 10 abortions

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The option should always be there but imo it should definitely not be a practice that becomes normalized

both? neither? i think my view on it is too complicated for either label. if i had to pick one or the other i would rather have free access to abortion than place conditions on it though.

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Lysandear posted...

the only thing pro-birth people actually want is to be able to control/punish women

Dude....no.

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Pro choice, and we should continue doing what we can to limit the amount of people who feel they need to get an abortion, so we can ultimately reduce the number of abortions happening. So better support systems, better care, better birth control, etc.
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Pro choice. You don't get a say in what goes on in my body, no matter what your silly cult says. Period.

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Pro gamer

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Pro-choice, and I think the fetus is human life. Birth is a privilege and autonomy is absolute.

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Pro-life. I am a christian. I don't understand how people can murder an unborn baby just because they don't want it. I think it's one of the most heartless things you can do. This is why I'm voting for Trump. Even though I can't stand him.

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Ranmaru-2 posted...

Pro-life. I am a christian. I don't understand how people can murder an unborn baby just because they don't want it. I think it's one of the most heartless things you can do. This is why I'm voting for Trump. Even though I can't stand him.

200k+ dead people to an incompetent Covid19 response is A-ok but getting rid of a clump of cells is crossing the line.

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Pro life. It's human life from conception. I don't care at all about the "my body my rights" spiel.

That being said, one of the authors of Freakonomics, Steven Levitt, presented a breakthrough research paper in which they found a strong correlation between crime and abortion. The basic gist is that neglected and abused kids are more likely to fall into crime. Better access to abortion and other birth control options leads to a reduction of born kids raised in abusive homes which means less crime.

As a big believer in sacrifice the few (as long as it's not me) to save the many, if you can't take care of your kid for whatever reason, kill it. Abortion is legalized homicide so take one for the human race. This sounds morbid but people aren't equal in value. Women are the gatekeepers of humanity so they inherently are of higher worth than men. And boys need to be invested in so they can contribute and have a strong self worth (as the same with girls, of course). This is why it's imperative to have a community to help foster this growth so kids can reach that high level of value to better contribute back to society.

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Pro choice but a barring a few exceptional circumstances most woman who abort should never be parents in my opinion.

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Pro choice, just against the small minority of people acting like an abortion should be seen as no big deal. Nobody should be ridiculed and lambasted for it, but we also shouldn't reach a point where any large percentage of the population feels casual about it.

Sad_Face posted...

Pro life. It's human life from conception. I don't care at all about the "my body my rights" spiel.

That being said, one of the authors of Freakonomics, Steven Levitt, presented a breakthrough research paper in which they found a strong correlation between crime and abortion. The basic gist is that neglected and abused kids are more likely to fall into crime. Better access to abortion and other birth control options leads to a reduction of born kids raised in abusive homes which means less crime.

As a big believer in sacrifice the few (as long as it's not me) to save the many, if you can't take care of your kid for whatever reason, kill it. Abortion is legalized homicide so take one for the human race. This sounds morbid but people aren't equal in value. Women are the gatekeepers of humanity so they inherently are of higher worth than men. And boys need to be invested in so they can contribute and have a strong self worth (as the same with girls, of course). This is why it's imperative to have a community to help foster this growth so kids can reach that high level of value to better contribute back to society.

this is eugenics. what you are describing is eugenics.

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Ranmaru-2 posted...

Pro-life. I am a christian. I don't understand how people can murder an unborn baby just because they don't want it. I think it's one of the most heartless things you can do. This is why I'm voting for Trump. Even though I can't stand him.

I think banning abortion is heartless. And pro-life requires you to either compromise your beliefs in some circumstances, or force rape babies and deaths of the mother and/or baby to happen .

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I'm pro choice as I don't think we should allow others to dictate what another does to their body that doesn't result in harm to others.

Also, making things illegal doesn't stop them happening so seems better to make it safer for those that do need/want them and also work on proving sex education to reduce unwanted pregnancies by providing free contraception and awareness, including for those underaged as people under 16 still have sex regardless of the law.

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lexichanw00t posted...

this is eugenics. what you are describing is eugenics.

Are you implying that my views on abortion shouldn't be influenced by eugenics? Why is this a problem? We do it already. A good 90+% of fetuses are aborted when they come up as positive for down syndrome. And just wait till CRISPR comes into full stride and we have designer babies.

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Sad_Face posted...

Pro life. It's human life from conception. I don't care at all about the "my body my rights" spiel.

That being said, one of the authors of Freakonomics, Steven Levitt, presented a breakthrough research paper in which they found a strong correlation between crime and abortion. The basic gist is that neglected and abused kids are more likely to fall into crime. Better access to abortion and other birth control options leads to a reduction of born kids raised in abusive homes which means less crime.

As a big believer in sacrifice the few (as long as it's not me) to save the many, if you can't take care of your kid for whatever reason, kill it. Abortion is legalized homicide so take one for the human race. This sounds morbid but people aren't equal in value. Women are the gatekeepers of humanity so they inherently are of higher worth than men. And boys need to be invested in so they can contribute and have a strong self worth (as the same with girls, of course). This is why it's imperative to have a community to help foster this growth so kids can reach that high level of value to better contribute back to society.

Holy shit

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Sad_Face posted...

Are you implying that my views on abortion shouldn't be influenced by eugenics? Why is this a problem? We do it already. A good 90+% of fetuses are aborted when they come up as positive for down syndrome. And just wait till CRISPR comes into full stride and we have designer babies.

'im pro life but i believe in eugenics' ok.

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I am pro choice but not because I dont think an embryo isnt life. I heard my babys heartbeat at 6.5 weeks, so its more than a clump of cells to me. But that said, I cant impose my belief unto others or dictate what other women choose to do to their bodies. Pregnancy is not without risks. A friend of mine nearly died a few months ago going into preterm labor (eclampsia). I struggled with intense 24/7 nausea for 6 weeks and it was miserable, even though Ive been wanting this so badly. I cant imagine if I didnt. No one should force women to take on risks to their health against their will. I also believe if its not legalized, then women will just find other, more dangerous ways. No one can stop abortions from happening so we might as well provide proper medical treatment.

emblem boy posted...

Pro choice, and we should continue doing what we can to limit the amount of people who feel they need to get an abortion, so we can ultimately reduce the number of abortions happening. So better support systems, better care, better birth control, etc.

Exactly

Pro reproductive rights

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joe40001 posted...

If we are talking about my personal opinion then that is entirely a function of if a fetus is a human life just like a baby, which is an unresolved question.

this opinion is completely irrelevant to the actual issue though.

abortions are a necessary part of healthcare, and they always will be. making them illegal only means more deaths.

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dr_strangelove posted...

when women have miscarriages , does the church reside over funerals for those unborn babies?

sometimes yes

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lexichanw00t posted...

sometimes yes

I thought they became limbo dancers?

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Bodily Autonomy, this should be the main reason for people who are "pro-choice". Taking away a woman's right to her body will only lead to terrible precedents that will have long term consequences in the future.

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I've never considered being pro-life at all in my whole life. I wasn't raised religious

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I'm staunchly pro-life. I think women should never abort except perhaps when the mother's life is in danger. A fetus is more than just part of a woman's body, it's more than just a "growth" inside her. It's a separate, human life. I believe in the value of human life.

With that said, I don't think abortion should be illegal, and I don't make my political decisions based on just this or any other one issue.

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paerarru posted...

With that said, I don't think abortion should be illegal, and I don't make my political decisions based on just this or any other one issue.

so you're pro choice

joe40001 posted...

Though if it is a life then I think Invitro Fertilization might be really problematic since I think they make extras because they don't know how many are going to be successful and then just trash the rest.

That is a tricky question. I'd say that the embryos made during in vitro fertilization, even though technically they are human life, were never A human life because they never had a uterus in which they were developing. Once they're successfully implanted, they're more than just human life, they're a developing human being.

Your cells are also alive and are technically "human life". That doesn't mean they're a developing human being. That's the difference.

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joe40001 posted...

Um no, if it truly is super immoral it should not be legal.

joe as others are trying to tell you, the relationship between morality and legality is more than just "this is immoral, therefore death penalty". In some cases it's "this is immoral, but yeah".

_Rinku_ posted...

In my opinion, even if it is a human life, I'm perfectly okay with ending it because no one has the right to use another human's body against their will. You couldn't (legally or morally) force someone to be constantly providing blood and nutrients through their body to literally any human outside of the womb.

Being human life it also happens to be the child of that mother, or at least the surrogate child. Parents have moral obligations to their children.

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