Board 8 > King of Fighters 2020 (NOT MERCS) R3D8: Giorno Giovanna vs The Terrarian (Mid)

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Welcome to the King of Fighters 2020 (NOT MERCS) Simulated Character Battle Tournament!

The game is simple. The two* listed characters are placed in an (imaginary) location with a variety of (imaginary) environments, kind of like a picture in a child's schoolbook that describes different types of geological features. Within a ten mile radius, there is an (imaginary) urban downtown, exurbs, plains, snow-clad mountains at the edge, dry plains, etc. Fighters start wherever is most appropriate for them, but feel increasingly compelled to seek out their opponent and fight. Strong-willed fighters can try to hold out in their chosen environment for longer... eventually, all will succumb and actively search for the other to battle.

To participate, just vote in bold for whichever character you believe will win. Giving reasoning is optional, but please be polite and read what others have said and carefully make your decision. I'll ping the nominators (they can opt out) to give arguments if they wish.

Results/Discussion: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/78971300

TODAY'S PARTICIPANTS:
Giorno Giovanna (JoJo)


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The Terrarian (Terraria)
https://i.imgur.com/YXkXvS6.mp4

@NFUN @NFUN

FIGHT

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Think Terriarian has way more attacks that will just nuke Giorno right off the bat than ones that will give him a chance to use his powers effectively, but who knows with Giorno

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Shonen_Bat posted...

Think Terriarian has way more attacks that will just nuke Giorno right off the bat than ones that will give him a chance to use his powers effectively, but who knows with Giorno

This is how I feel too

I hate "finds a way" arguments but jojo characters are literally kings of finding a way
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I assume this is Giorno without GER. Giorno is good at planning and making up bullshit on the fly since he seems to just get new powers as he goes (even before GER) but generally speaking he is probably a bit outgunned here and there is the range issue with no assistance from his group.

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The Terrarian's main method of attack is more dakka. Overwhelming force. Swords that shoot swords, laser beams, phantasmal dragons. JoJo protagonists generally fight villains that that are very specialized, with frightening strengths and hidden, but present, weaknesses. I don't think Giorno is particularly well-equipped to fight the Terrarian, who would probably be happy to float in a flying saucer surrounded by a fire aura while swinging his sword in a circle summoning explosions. Not to say that Giorno can't win, I just don't see where he'll have much of an opportunity to do something clever. Plants won't help him against a firestorm

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The Player

Giorno has no way of countering the Vortex Beater from an invisible Player, or the Last Prism from a million fuckin miles away if you like magic. I haven't checked the 1.4 update but I bet there's some other bullshit that's extra stupid in there too. If this wasn't enough, the Player has very similar abilities to bullshit solutions at a rapid pace to Giorno, just using construction materials instead of animals. I don't really want to post the arguments I concocted back when I was playing Mercs 4 just in case I had to buy the Player and argue how stupid his material construction was to a cheap win, but assume it starts with 'effectively lightspeed movement via intentionally preserved and canonized glitches + turning the terrain into stone that bleeds lava' and it goes up from there.

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Yeah I think the main thing with Giorno is that unless you just obliterate him he can definitely bullshit something with his weird ass stand. He's had his neck chomped and was riddled with holes yet still managed to heal himself and come up with something. I guess it depends just how much Terrarian gets to have and how much they can take if Giorno somehow manages to get close somehow and MUDA them. I could see Giorno getting the ambush with a bug scout or some nonsense like that unless Terrarian has tracking or something? Haven't played it.

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Pirateking2000 posted...

Yeah I think the main thing with Giorno is that unless you just obliterate him he can definitely bullshit something with his weird ass stand. He's had his neck chomped and was riddled with holes yet still managed to heal himself and come up with something. I guess it depends just how much Terrarian gets to have and how much they can take if Giorno somehow manages to get close somehow and MUDA them

If you assume standard equipment for the Player I would give them a full set of endgame armor, wings, the fully upgraded PDA, a variety of endgame weapons for their weapon type of choice, the UFO or Cute Fishron, a ton of the normal construction materials and tools, a Clentaminator, and maybe a few heart lanterns. This seems fair to me since it's shit you're always gonna carry with you in any sort of reasonable Terraria playthrough, as arena construction is a very real thing in that game. It's why I don't feel Giorno has a chance, Terraria players have to prep like crazy to beat fights and that means being ready to invent nonsensical solutions at the drop of a hat.

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Personally would think they'd have to build up powerbase but I'll leave it up to whatever is decided upon for his arsenal. Anyway, does Terrarian have a means of tracking Giorno's location before Giorno gets the jump on em since they won't know each other's location initially?

This fight sounds sort of amusing if its basically between two fighters that come up with bullshit solutions.

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Terrarian would know when he's nearby (like 30 feet or so)

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Not track directly but the PDA will avoid ambushes, because the Player will always know when Giorno is within a certain range.

ZeeksFire posted...

Not track directly but the PDA will avoid ambushes, because the Player will always know when Giorno is within a certain range.

Will they know its Giorno though or is it a general thing? Giorno seems like he would send some stand made lifeform to track for him to get a feel for his opponents capabilities like he does with other stand users when he can. Will it tip them off to exact location or is it more "they are nearby, keep your guard up" sorta thing?

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Pirateking2000 posted...

Anyway, does Terrarian have a means of tracking Giorno's location before Giorno gets the jump on em since they won't know each other's location initially?

Terrarian definitely has the Cell Phone, which will let him know when Giorno is close (I assume Giorno counts as a rare enemy), though not the exact location. It would specifically let him know it's Giorno by name. Cell Phone also tells him the number of nearby enemies, in case that becomes relevant.

In-game, there's also the Hunter Potion which highlights lifeforms on-screen and shows whether they are hostile or non-hostile. I don't think he starts with any potions (your mileage may vary) but he can craft them using bottled water + daybloom + blinkroot + a shark's fin. Of those, I think finding plant substitutes is easy. Shark's fin is trickier but theoretically possible, considering the terrain has an ocean, and the two of them are going to start far apart - Terrarian would naturally start in the forest, Giorno in the city.
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Mmk I can see making stuff assuming the ingredients are in the area and if they have the time to build up their power base if left alone for long enough. Personally I think the match overall just comes down to if Giorno can bullshit his way into range then he wins via MUDA MUDA MUDA since Terrarian probably wouldn't tank the barrage and technically wouldn't be able to see Gold Experience since he doesn't have a stand (I don't think hunter potion would work either given the nature of stands)

Gold Experience is also fast like most close quarters stands being bullet timers, and can heal wounds along with doing other silly shit. Like if Terrarian had a grenade or a weapon that spits out something, he could turn it into a humming bird, have it fly back Terrarian if they had some part of it with them and have it turn back to blow up on them / stab them or something stupid like that because Gold Experience

Otherwise if Terrarian can just play keep away and can build up his gear enough he probably takes it.

I dunno, like Drak said "finding a way" is flimsy but its fucking Giorno who is all about making some nonsense plan work with made up powers he pulls out of his ass on the fly. I could see him saying some dumb shit like:

Cue
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLyRpGKWXRs

"You thought you were tracking me but you were really tracking my soul energy I implanted into this bug! Giving me the time to close the distance! You're done"

(MUDAs occur)

Yes I know its silly but Giorno's nonsense in that part was silly. I think on paper Terrarian would probably take it given range advantage but yeah Giorno is bullshit

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Terrarian has intrinsic magical ability, which imo is a sufficiently close analog to Stand powers that he can see Stands.

This is mostly a good matchup for Terrarian, because he has unlimited flight/hovering (via flying mount) and long-range nuking capabilities, while Giorno's Stand is short-range. My main hesitation here is that Giorno's created lifeforms reflect damage; so if he creates a bug and holds it in front of himself, Terrarian could wind up nuking himself. (Though it would probably be a double kill in that case?)
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I don't think magical ability really matters much in terms of seeing stands (you need a stand to see a stand and that's the ruling from what I recall) though in this case I don't think it particularly matters much. It mainly comes down to if Giorno can get close enough before he gets hit with something sufficient enough to blow him up good that GE can't heal, block, or redirect. Giorno could probably take some bad hits as he's been filled with holes and lost limbs before and healed em but yeah.

Gotta double check with the reflection thing but Giorno could also potentially turn some heavy thing into a bug or bird, have it fly on to terrarian and attach to them then turn back into heavy object causing them to fall maybe? There is also the roots that can break ice and stone etc if he can get the jump but I don't know the range and general rules with that when he whipped that out.

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Drakeryn posted...

Terrarian has intrinsic magical ability, which imo is a sufficiently close analog to Stand powers that he can see Stands.

This is mostly a good matchup for Terrarian, because he has unlimited flight/hovering (via flying mount) and long-range nuking capabilities, while Giorno's Stand is short-range. My main hesitation here is that Giorno's created lifeforms reflect damage; so if he creates a bug and holds it in front of himself, Terrarian could wind up nuking himself. (Though it would probably be a double kill in that case?)

I'd be hesitant to rely on his damage reflection powers much. IIRC he basically only uses it at the very beginning to reflect melee attacks before Araki forgot about it. I don't know if it's justified to extend it to projectiles. OTOH, if you consider the Terrarian's magic similar enough to Stands to see them, I think Giorno should be able to reflect magic attacks this way

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Don't really buy Terrarian seeing Stands or Giorno reflecting magic attacks, that sounds like a stretch for both of their abilities. A dangersense potion might show Gold Experience, but I'm not sure they would go out of their way to find stuff for that if they already have the hunter one.

Come to think of it, we know Terrarian can take his own attacks because PVP is a thing. If they both ended up getting blasted there's a pretty good chance he'd survive.

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Terrarian

Yeah, on second thought, I'm not sure about seeing Stands - they're manifestations of the psyche/spiritual energy, so it may be more analogous to seeing ghosts or other paranormal phenomena.

But I also don't think it hugely matters because it's a close-range Stand and Terrarian is just going to nuke Giorno's general vicinity from orbit. (Not literally orbit. But high up.) NFUN is right, Giorno uses his damage reflection so rarely that I don't think it's his go-to here.
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bumpo
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Terrarian

I will gladly go to bat for most Jojo characters, and Giorno offers fascinating possibilities. I can say with near certainty that this is not a fight that he can realistically win. His deficit here is just in raw power; even in getting in close, Gold Experience is decidedly a far weaker stand than Star Platinum or Crazy Diamond. As I recall, the only fight Giorno actually wins through punching rather than trickery/giving someone else the finishing blow is against Green Day, and he has seven full pages of punches to accomplish what Jotaro and Josuke could accomplish in one. I just don't see anything he could do for actual, lasting damage other than reflect Terraria Guy's attacks back at him, and realistically, he'd have to get hurt once (Giorno is VERY bad at completely avoiding damage, he will get hit at least once in most fights, and it will usually leave him close to death), and Terraria guy has so many varied ways of harming him that I can't see Giorno outlasting him.

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Terrarian

Superior mobility can deal with a lot of problems.

Kamekguy posted...

Terrarian

I will gladly go to bat for most Jojo characters, and Giorno offers fascinating possibilities. I can say with near certainty that this is not a fight that he can realistically win. His deficit here is just in raw power; even in getting in close, Gold Experience is decidedly a far weaker stand than Star Platinum or Crazy Diamond. As I recall, the only fight Giorno actually wins through punching rather than trickery/giving someone else the finishing blow is against Green Day, and he has seven full pages of punches to accomplish what Jotaro and Josuke could accomplish in one. I just don't see anything he could do for actual, lasting damage other than reflect Terraria Guy's attacks back at him, and realistically, he'd have to get hurt once (Giorno is VERY bad at completely avoiding damage, he will get hit at least once in most fights, and it will usually leave him close to death), and Terraria guy has so many varied ways of harming him that I can't see Giorno outlasting him.

The seven page punches was more for super overkill since Cioccolata was a monstrous piece of shit that even the main bad guy found disgusting rather than effectiveness

Still guess it makes sense mainly due to the fact Terrarian has range game and can be direct with their assault with stuff Gold Experience probably isn't going to block (the range part being the main thing since Giorno is about getting close and roundabout stuff). On top of that Terrarian will have time to gather (at least I assume depending on distance and Giorno isn't particularly fast in covering distances) to get stuff necessary to blow Giorno up at range and generally play keep away.

Giorno COULD win by finding some bullshit way (doing some nonsensical Gold Experience power stuff he just HAPPENS to remember because the situation is convenient) but yeah more times than not based on factors Terrarian likely takes it due to being a general counter to Giorno's damaging approach. Not to mention a lot of Giorno's encounters usually involves the assistance of the group and using their stuff for advantages which he isn't getting here (like using Mista's bullets to root the helicopter). Gold Experience could probably block some of Terrarians armaments but probably not all and that still doesn't help the range issue and I am not sure how if he could get his root thing to work another way which could be an answer to terrarrians evasiveness and attacking (but yeah Gold Experience is dumb)

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Terrarian

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