Current Events > Every year 100 kids die from chicken pox. So far 3 have died from Covid.

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seeing as people have chicken pox parties to get kids to build immunity to chicken pox would it make sense for the same to happen with Covid?

Dont forget like Covid, chickenpox hits adults harder so it makes more sense for kids to be introduced to it at a younger age.

What do people think?

edit: 68 people have died

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You can only get chickenpox once.
Covid-19 seems to be able to infect you again.

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Do we know enough about the long term effects of covid to make that call?

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I dont believe only 3 kids have died from Covid

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I4NRulez posted...

I dont believe only 3 kids have died from Covid

Yeah, let's just start with this.

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I4NRulez posted...

I dont believe only 3 kids have died from Covid

what is the real figure then?

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Foppe posted...

You can only get chickenpox once.

Nope
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Foppe posted...

You can only get chickenpox once.
Covid-19 seems to be able to infect you again.

yoy can get chicken pox twice.

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Cpt_Pineapple posted...

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#AgeAndSex

Thank you. 68 then.

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Cpt_Pineapple posted...

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#AgeAndSex

So you cant read that chart? Its clearly more than 3

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I4NRulez posted...

So you cant read that chart? Its clearly more than 3

its 68. Still pretty low.

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Crepes posted...

yoy can get chicken pox twice.

If you had it when you were younger than 6 months and if you have a weakened immune system, which doesnt really count.

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Does shingles count as getting chickenpox twice?
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Foppe posted...

If you had it when you were younger than 6 months and if you have a weakened immune system, which doesnt really count.

why doesnt that count?

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UnholyMudcrab posted...

Does shingles count as getting chickenpox twice?

isnt shingles just adult version of chicken pox? Which again like Covid shows why getting it younger is beneficial.

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TC, I would be on your side if I knew more about Covid, but we don't know enough about it yet to make those choices.

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Bad_Mojo posted...

TC, I would be on your side if I knew more about Covid, but we don't know enough about it yet to make those choices.

thats cool man and nice to see some modesty in here for once. Im not sure myself to be honest. Just curious to get some opinions.

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So infect all these kids and then what? Put them all in quarantine so that they don't infect their parents, the neighbors, the grandparents?

bknight posted...

So infect all these kids and then what? Put them all in quarantine so that they don't infect their parents, the neighbors, the grandparents?

how does it work for chicken pox parties? Pretty sure chicken pox is something like two weeks and kids are kept quarantined when they have it.

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Crepes posted...

why doesnt that count?

...because non-functional immune systems are not working correct?

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Crepes posted...

how does it work for chicken pox parties?

Most adults had chicken pox when they were kids and have anitbodies to fight any exposure, most adults do not have antibodies to fight COVID, hence a race for a vaccine. Also, adults who have never had chicken pox are told not to be anywhere near a kid that has chicken pox as they can die if they get infected.

Did anything come of those studies that found long term issues for kids who contracted COVID?

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Children can spread COVID-19 to their parents and grandparents, though.

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CableZL posted...

Children can spread COVID-19 to their parents and grandparents, though.

they can spread chicken pox as well

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bknight posted...

Most adults had chicken pox when they were kids and have anitbodies to fight any exposure, most adults do not have antibodies to fight COVID, hence a race for a vaccine. Also, adults who have never had chicken pox are told not to be anywhere near a kid that has chicken pox as they can die if they get infected.

ok cool that was what I assumed but wasnt sure. Thanks.

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Foppe posted...

...because non-functional immune systems are not working correct?

if were going to ignore deaths from people with underlying health conditions then dont most people who die from Covid have underlying health conditions?

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Crepes posted...

they can spread chicken pox as well

Yeah, but the vast majority of adults have already had chicken pox or a vaccine for it, so the risk of that isn't really there.

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Pretty sure you're also not supposed to do pox parties anymore because we have a vaccine now.

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CableZL posted...

Yeah, but the vast majority of adults have already had chicken pox or a vaccine for it, so the risk of that isn't really there.

yeah thats true so I guess what Im saying is how do we get to the point with covid? Do you think we ever will? Chicken pox was controlled a long time before we have a chicken pox vaccine.

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Crepes posted...

yeah thats true so I guess what Im saying is how do we get to the point with covid? Do you think we ever will? Chicken pox was controlled a long time before we have a chicken pox vaccine.

The case fatality rate for COVID-19 is way too high to justify a herd immunity strategy. In the US, we have 7.5 million infections with 213,000 deaths. If we extrapolate that to compare with the total US population, you end up with millions dead.

The death rate has been improving as we find better treatment methods, but we still aren't at thy point where we could try to have 70% or more of the population get it without millions of people dying.

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CableZL posted...

The case fatality rate for COVID-19 is way too high to justify a herd immunity strategy. In the US, we have 7.5 million infections with 213,000 deaths. If we extrapolate that to compare with the total US population, you end up with millions dead.

The death rate has been improving as we find better treatment methods, but we still aren't at thy point where we could try to have 70% or more of the population get it without millions of people dying.

how did we get chicken pox under control? Did we just let it run wild and pick up the pieces after?

Im kinda torn and like others have said not nearly enough data to be sure enough to take the risk.

I am curious though. if we concentrate on herd immunity within children they should reduce risk of transmission to those more vulnerable. Especially when you realise its usually grandparents who end up looking after kids when parents are at work. Having a child who has had Covid means you can potentially then have grandparents look after them again freeing parents to go back to work. This is all thought experiment stuff though.

Looking at the real world at the moment in the UK uni students have gone back and theres been a massive increase in cases amongst young people. However most are quarantining in uni accommodation (to some degree of controversy I will add) so it will be interesting to see how this plays out over here.

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Nearly everyone whom a kid with chickenpox comes into contact with is immune to the disease due to already having had it.

The same is not true regarding Covid.

What a garbage idea.
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DeadBankerDream posted...

Nearly everyone whom a kid with chickenpox comes into contact with is immune to the disease due to already having had it.

The same is not true regarding Covid.

Its believed 10% of the population has never had chicken pox so thats not a negligible amount. But yes its obviously much better than Covid.

This topic is for discussing the ideas rather than me being cock sure saying this is the only way. Read through the topic and see for yourself.

If you can increase immunity in kids that removes one of the transmission vectors. This was partly the main benefit I see.

Getting kids immune while avoiding adults catching it would be a great long term strategy if you could mitigate the risk enough.

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I4NRulez posted...

So you cant read that chart? Its clearly more than 3

You can't expect someone who sits on his ass all day posting movie spoilers to know how to count
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Covid immunity lasts for about 3 months. The strain gets to mutate a lot, what with it being a pandemic and all. Also, immunity doesn't necessarily mean they can't be carriers.

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Crepes posted...

I am curious though. if we concentrate on herd immunity within children they should reduce risk of transmission to those more vulnerable.

Herd immunity would require at least about 70% of the population to get it, not just children. There's still no proof that getting COVID-19 once means you can't get it again.

COVID-19 is a Coronavirus. The common cold and the common flu are also Coronaviruses and we get those multiple times.

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One_Day_Remains posted...

You can't expect someone who sits on his ass all day posting movie spoilers to know how to count

Forgot to block you on this account oops. I edited the op with the updated figures. Thanks to the guy who took the time to post the facts without being a dick about it.

edit: you have less than 150 karma. I see youve obviously been banned recently so dont be a hippocrit.

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Evening_Dragon posted...

Covid immunity lasts for about 3 months. The strain gets to mutate a lot, what with it being a pandemic and all.

do we know this for sure?

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Lmao imagine crying about someone being a dick when you again, sit on your ass all day posting movie spoilers.
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CableZL posted...

Herd immunity would require at least about 70% of the population to get it, not just children. There's still no proof that getting COVID-19 once means you can't get it again.

COVID-19 is a Coronavirus. The common cold and the common flu are also Coronaviruses and we get those multiple times.

As has been mentioned you can get chicken pox multiple times as well.

I saw you edit the post though to clarify before posting so Ill add on. Is the expectation then that were stuck with Covid forever then? If its like the cold surely developing a vaccine is pointless in that case?

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Oh, is TC the spoiler guy?
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One_Day_Remains posted...

Lmao imagine crying about someone being a dick when you again, sit on your ass all day posting movie spoilers.

imagine getting banned recently and accusing someone else of being banned who has an older account. I wasnt going to block you but youre derailing this topic so catch you on your new account when you get banned again I guess.

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Crepes posted...

As has been mentioned you can get chicken pox multiple times as well.

Most people who get chicken pox once are immune. We all get colds and the flu multiple times.

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Crepes posted...

I saw you edit the post though to clarify before posting so Ill add on. Is the expectation then that were stuck with Covid forever then? If its like the cold surely developing a vaccine is pointless in that case?

The expectation is that we follow medical advice (masks, social distancing, quarantine, etc.). As we've seen, a lot of people just flat out refuse to follow those instructions, though. Trump himself knew he had been exposed to COVID-19, but still refused to wear a mask or follow social distancing guidelines.

So I don't know what the answer is any more. Imo It kinda feels like we're screwed until an effective vaccine is available. And even then, if permanent immunity won't be a thing, we may just have to take the vaccine periodically until the virus is considered eradicated.

I question the reality of that, though, with all the anti-vax people out there.

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CableZL posted...

Most people who get chicken pox once are immune. We all get colds and the flu multiple times.

Hey I dont disagree on the chicken pox statement. Youre right.

What Im not confident about is that we dont have enough info to know the long term epidemiology of Covid.

Not all coronaviruses are equal. As mentioned in my post if what you say is correct and Covid is hear to stay forever then why bother with a vaccine at all?

edit: I think you answered that above

To add you seem to know more than me so thanks. What are the chances of being able to wipe out Covid? Would we not have wiped out the flu had we been able to and if its in the same family of viruses as Covid. Is the only reason weve not wiped out Covid because of anti vaxxers or is there more to it than that? Does it depend how quickly Covid / Flu mutates or do they all mutate with the same frequency?

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Crepes posted...

do we know this for sure?

There is very little certain. My number is an average.

I'm getting some sealion vibes here. What homework have you done on this? Like, you're saying we should do x or y without positing or seemingly having any info yourself.

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Evening_Dragon posted...

There is very little certain. My number is an average.

the only reason I ask is this topic is purely thought experiment stuff and I thought the jury was well and truly out on if you can be reinfected. I didnt even think there had been more than a handful of confirmed reinfection cases.

as for the other comment you dont have to respond to every post if you dont want to. It was more for my edification than yours and trying to make sure I had as much info as possible.

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Crepes posted...

Hey I dont disagree on the chicken pox statement. Youre right.

What Im not confident about is that we dont have enough info to know the long term epidemiology of Covid.

Not all coronaviruses are equal. As mentioned in my post if what you say is correct and Covid is hear to stay forever then why bother with a vaccine at all?

edit: I think you answered that above

To add you seem to know more than me so thanks. What are the chances of being able to wipe out Covid? Would we not have wiped out the flu had we been able to and if its in the same family of viruses as Covid. Is the only reason weve not wiped out Covid because of anti vaxxers or is there more to it than that? Does it depend how quickly Covid / Flu mutates or do they all mutate with the same frequency?

We would use a vaccine, ideally, to make sure we don't get the disease. If enough people get the vaccine long term, there is a chance that the virus will be eradicated over time. There are a few viruses we've done that with. I think smallpox is the only infectious disease we've been able to eradicate, though, so with that in mind I'm not so sure we'll ever eradicate COVID-19.

I would still be OK with a periodic vaccine to make sure I don't end up getting COVID-19 and therefore don't risk dying from it or getting long ten respiratory problems from it.

And yeah, the mutation rate would affect the efficacy of a vaccine. I wouldn't blame the lack of eradication of the flu on anti-vaxxers. The flu mutates, which is why the vaccine changes yearly.

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