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Shotgunnova
09/29/20 2:41:15 AM
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https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/walking-dead-shambles-secret-lair-2020-09-28

Its latest Secret Lair is a crossover with TWD using unique, black-bordered legendaries, available for a limited time and also legal in all Eternal formats. The idea of TV show advertisements being legal cards immediately pissed players off, so we'll have to see if things change in the next day or two. There are rumblings they might be banned in Commander soon as if they were silver-bordered cards; if so, perhaps other formats will follow.

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Medussa
09/29/20 2:48:18 AM
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this is the worst decision they've made in a long line of terrible decisions. honestly, probably second only to the overreaction that led to the reserve list itself.

even something as simple as the same treatment the Godzilla BaB card got would have been acceptable. then they'd be pre-prints with alternate fluff.

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Rioushu
09/29/20 2:58:10 AM
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Well at least they fixed the format with that ban...

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sabin017
09/29/20 3:15:07 AM
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I like to think that the attack/life points are logarithmic, that 4 power can beat a 3 tenfold.
I know that doesn't quite work for multiple defending, but game balance.

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09/29/20 3:16:21 AM
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radical rhino
09/29/20 3:22:53 AM
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Im glad they realized that Negan should have a white mana cost.

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Pogo_Marimo
09/29/20 3:25:15 AM
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sabin017 posted...
I like to think that the attack/life points are logarithmic, that 4 power can beat a 3 tenfold.
I know that doesn't quite work for multiple defending, but game balance.
what

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divot1338
09/29/20 4:01:43 AM
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Ive still never seen TWD.

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Shotgunnova
09/29/20 1:40:43 PM
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MJOLNRVII
09/29/20 1:43:11 PM
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I already complained about it on the MtG board, so I just wanna mention that I hope the Commander RC caves into the complaints and bans them.

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Beveren_Rabbit
09/29/20 1:45:43 PM
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They need to at least make it actual artwork rather than a screenshot from a promo. At least make the characters look more like MTG. Seeing modern real world stuff in a MTG legal card is unsettling.
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Shotgunnova
09/29/20 1:51:57 PM
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Yeah, Wizards has been so against any type of world that resembles reality and people using guns, etc., but then inject this into the game's bloodstream.

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Shotgunnova
09/29/20 2:57:34 PM
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I guess because Glenn's a good guy in the show.

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Rikiaz
09/29/20 2:58:33 PM
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mrgoatthief posted...
This is a black blue or mono blue card, why is it white blue.
Yeah wtf. Has Skulk ever even been on a white card?

Shotgunnova posted...
I guess because Glenn's a good guy in the show.
Yeah but white isnt good and black isnt evil

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Shotgunnova
09/29/20 3:47:27 PM
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Rikiaz posted...
Yeah but white isnt good and black isnt evil
IIRC, he was a moral compass character, so black wouldn't make much sense for him. The colors still end up working -- blue gets card draw on combat damage effects, white gets abilities that penalize creatures with high CMC/power/etc. It's a little weird to see skulk in white, but it's not pie-breaking weird (it reminds me of Mistmeadow Skulk slightly). If he'd been one of the first white creatures since Akroma to get haste or something, then it'd be pitchfork time.

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Doe
09/29/20 3:48:50 PM
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I thought that stuff was promo reskins of existing cards? The Negan in particular is super cringe lol.

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Geisterdrache
09/29/20 3:52:32 PM
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Doe posted...
I thought that stuff was promo reskins of existing cards? The Negan in particular is super cringe lol.
That's what we were told Secret Lair was going to be.

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_Marka_Ragnos_
09/29/20 3:53:29 PM
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I actually really want to use Negan as my Mardu aristrocrats commander instead of Queen Marchesa so I kind of hope it doesn't get banned. But this is a shit thing for Wotc to do. The only way they can fix this is to do what they did with the Ikora cards and guarantee another version will release in commander legends or something.

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Questionmarktarius
09/29/20 3:55:31 PM
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How the hell does Negan actually work?
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_Marka_Ragnos_
09/29/20 3:56:36 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
How the hell does Negan actually work?

I play Negan

I target an opponent
Me and that opponent each choose a creature that opponent controls
The opponent sacrifices those creatures
Its a mind game, and gets around hexproof/indestructible. The opponent definitely loses one creature and may lose 2 if you win the mind game.

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Shotgunnova
09/29/20 3:57:38 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
How the hell does Negan actually work?
The mind games angle is trying not to pick the same creature the opponent does, as it results in less death and treasure tokens.

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Rikiaz
09/29/20 3:57:52 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
How the hell does Negan actually work?
It just means you and your opponent reveal simultaneously. Like announce when you both decide then count to 3 and point to it at the same time.

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Doe
09/29/20 3:58:08 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
How the hell does Negan actually work?
Seems really convoluted. You choose an opponent, then you and they both choose one of their creatures "secretly" then remove them.

So it's like a simultaneous decision game where at minimum 1 and at most 2 of their creatures are killed.

The problem seems to be the "secret" part, seems really annoying to set up without metagame/cheating

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Questionmarktarius
09/29/20 3:58:21 PM
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_Marka_Ragnos_ posted...
Me and that opponent each choose a creature that opponent controls
How?
Like with a post-it note or something?
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PatrickMahomes
09/29/20 3:59:10 PM
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Seems like a weird thing to get angry about

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_Marka_Ragnos_
09/29/20 3:59:32 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
How?
Like with a post-it note or something?

The same way the rest of the cards work that have you secretely choose a permanent or player. Yes. This isn't the first card with that mechanic.

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Rikiaz
09/29/20 4:01:32 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
How?
Like with a post-it note or something?
Yeah or with a die or number of fingers counting right to left or something similar.

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MyMainAccount
09/29/20 4:47:20 PM
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So you're telling me if I make a deck with those I'll be able to do well in an mtg tournament because a lot of my opponents will rage quit, giving me a win by default.

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Relient_K
09/29/20 5:02:29 PM
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I'd totally want the Glenn card for my legendary humans deck but I don't want to support this practice and I feel weird playing cards that really should have been silver bordered like that transformers or mlp cards were. Or they needed official mtg names like the godzilla stuff.

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Dustin1280
09/29/20 5:03:41 PM
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Oh, so this topic was that MTG has actually gotten EVEN WORSE than it already was?

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Questionmarktarius
09/29/20 5:07:17 PM
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Meanwhile, in the 90s, we had this guy:

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DrizztLink
09/29/20 5:08:14 PM
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radical rhino posted...
Im glad they realized that Negan should have a white mana cost.
Why?
@radical_rhino

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radical rhino
09/29/20 5:16:27 PM
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DrizztLink posted...
Why?
@radical_rhino
Because he exercises complete totalitarian control of his community to maintain order for the ultimate benefit of his community.

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AlephZero
09/29/20 5:38:24 PM
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https://cardboard-crack.com/post/630569386953015296/secret-lair

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DrizztLink
09/29/20 5:42:56 PM
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radical rhino posted...
Because he exercises complete totalitarian control of his community to maintain order for the ultimate benefit of his community.
Ok, I can see that.

I haven't played MtG in years, but I can see how a Lawful Neutral/Evil could be White.

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Shotgunnova
09/29/20 10:02:01 PM
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Geisterdrache
10/01/20 6:40:36 PM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/j3hu8m/weeklymtg_show_re_secret_lair_twd/

Well boys and girls time to pack it up or get with the times. Seems this is going to become the norm now. Fucking wild.

Forstyhe - they want to work toward fandoms. Leans into fandoms and less corporate sponsorship like potato chips. People who love worlds.

https://twitter.com/HipstersMTG/status/1311790304060735489

Just fucking horrendous.

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Shotgunnova
10/01/20 6:59:34 PM
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Great experiment. Like combining water and HCl.

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Doe
10/01/20 7:07:02 PM
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Okay well can we have Dark Magician then

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Shotgunnova
10/02/20 3:42:16 PM
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Welp, the Commander rules committee voted to not ban the SL cards. It's a little disturbing, since yesterday's stream suggests there are going to be even more sellout-y SLs in the future.

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Questionmarktarius
10/02/20 3:45:31 PM
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Shotgunnova posted...
since yesterday's stream suggests there are going to be even more sellout-y SLs in the future.
MLP MTG, huh?
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Medussa
10/02/20 3:47:12 PM
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man, now would be probably the best time in 10+ years to launch a new CCG. too bad none of my projects are very far along. hope someone smarter can figure something out.

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Shotgunnova
10/02/20 3:56:57 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
MLP MTG, huh?
https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/magic-extra-life- 2019-10-03

Medussa posted...
man, now would be probably the best time in 10+ years to launch a new CCG. too bad none of my projects are very far along. hope someone smarter can figure something out.
Something that would kill Wizards and arise as a new TCG champion, just like Richard Garfield intended.

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RebelElite791
10/02/20 7:12:20 PM
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https://mobile.twitter.com/MTGSecretLair/status/1312111082886975488

Welp. Theres the OP one any white human deck is gonna want. So much for avoiding powerful mechanically unique cards you scumsucking greedy pigs.

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