Current Events > Boris Johnson and Keir Starmer look and sound like children when they debate.

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https://youtu.be/2T0ClIF-4tI

It boggles my mind that these people and Trump/Clinton are the ones we choose to lead the free world.

Say what you will about Vladimir Putin's evil policies, he looks and sounds like an adult:

https://youtu.be/xykvrGpCW6E

It's embarrassing
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Keir Starmer is a proper leader unlike Boris or Corbyn. If he was leading the Labour party in 2019 we wouldn't be in the mess that we are now.

Trelve posted...

Keir Starmer is a proper leader

Of a childrens super duper secret treehouse club perhaps.

He sounds and acts like a child.
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How did you guys end up with a trump clone??

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DD Divine posted...

How did you guys end up with a trump clone??

because we're practically america

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DD Divine posted...

How did you guys end up with a trump clone??

A small number of people in the Tory Party voted for him and decided for the rest of us. He did that by playing up the "bumbling buffoon" on TV shows for a long time and making himself seem inoffensive so he could worm his way up the political ladder.

Also what Parappa said. We're idiots too.

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Even worse than America because at least in the Us the population is overwhelmingly not conservative, they just rig the system

In the UK the population is overwhelmingly conservative, they won the last election comfortably with 80 more seats and the bulk of the opposition being Scotland and Wales.

England is a lot like Texas without the heat, religion and guns.
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always lol when people compare british conservatism to trump

UnfairRepresent posted...

Even worse than America because at least in the Us the population is overwhelmingly not conservative, they just rig the system

In the UK the population is overwhelmingly conservative, they won the last election comfortably with 80 more seats and the bulk of the opposition being Scotland and Wales.

England is a lot like Texas without the heat, religion and guns.

tbh i don't think anyone on CE should take your opinions on UK politics seriously

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UnfairRepresent posted...

Even worse than America because at least in the Us the population is overwhelmingly not conservative, they just rig the system

In the UK the population is overwhelmingly conservative, they won the last election comfortably with 80 more seats and the bulk of the opposition being Scotland and Wales.

England is a lot like Texas without the heat, religion and guns.

are british house of commons seats manipulated in the same way that US house of representatives seats are? i could imagine they would be

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UnfairRepresent posted...

Of a childrens super duper secret treehouse club perhaps.

He sounds and acts like a child.

Disregarding what you think of his voice, you think he acts like a child? You should look up his career as a prosecutor. He's done way more with his career than Boris ever did.

And the population is not "overwhelmingly conservative", the conservatives only gained a majority because of the FTFP system. 32 million people voted in the election. 13 million voted for the Conservatives compared to 11 million for Labour. The other 8 million went to other parties, such as 3 million to the Liberal Democrats. The only reason the Conservatives won was because Labour had such a terrible leader and their stance on Brexit. If the UK had a proportional vote system, parliament would look very different.

Parappa09 posted...

tbh i don't think anyone on CE should take your opinions on UK politics seriously

tbh, people shouldn't take UR seriously on anything.

Sackgurl posted...

are british house of commons seats manipulated in the same way that US house of representatives seats are? i could imagine they would be

Our election system isn't terribly good either really. The same "two party" problem in essence, and many places are simply labour or tory areas. Brexit did shift things up a lot though unfortunately so we'll see how many will switch back now it's going ahead. As Trelve said, our system is pretty bad. Even with those 8 million going elsewhere, not like they really produced anything other than votes that were tossed to the ether.

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are british house of commons seats manipulated in the same way that US house of representatives seats are? i could imagine they would be/

Sort of. IT's closer to the manipulation of the Presidential election

The UK is split into 650 constituencies of about 60-90,000 people who all vote on their MP to represent them.

The party that has the most MPs ultimately governs the country as they always stick together. As longas they have a majority and not a plurality they are untouchable. The PM is just the leader of the party with the most MPs. Despite what users on here will tell you like that guy a minute ago who blamed the Labour leader, no one in the UK actually votes for the PM. The leader is irrelevant, they just vote for their local representative.

The problem is that like the US States, the vast majority of those constituencies never change who they vote for.

Take East Surrey for example. It's been overwhelmingly conservative and had a conservative MP since 1871.

So like swing states in America the entire election really only comes down to the constituencies that might go either way. And that's where all the focus of election campaigns and policies is focused.

And due to things like Brexit and the growing right wing, anti gay, anti immigration, anti trans, isolationist attitudes in the UK, those constituencies are going conservative comfortably.

They have an 80 seat majority right now, which is insane. Most of the population is conservative.

In the US the majority of the population is not conservative. Hence why Trump has to cheat and there is so much Gerrymandering.

The UK users here tend to be in denial about this and it goes a long way to explaining why it is happening
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