Board 8 > King of Fighters 2020 (NOT MERCS) R2D31: Harry Potter vs Armstrong (Mid)

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Welcome to the King of Fighters 2020 (NOT MERCS) Simulated Character Battle Tournament!

The game is simple. The two* listed characters are placed in an (imaginary) location with a variety of (imaginary) environments, kind of like a picture in a child's schoolbook that describes different types of geological features. Within a ten mile radius, there is an (imaginary) urban downtown, exurbs, plains, snow-clad mountains at the edge, dry plains, etc. Fighters start wherever is most appropriate for them, but feel increasingly compelled to seek out their opponent and fight. Strong-willed fighters can try to hold out in their chosen environment for longer... eventually, all will succumb and actively search for the other to battle.

To participate, just vote in bold for whichever character you believe will win. Giving reasoning is optional, but please be polite and read what others have said and carefully make your decision. I'll ping the nominators (they can opt out) to give arguments if they wish.

Results/Discussion: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/78971300

TODAY'S PARTICIPANTS:
Harry Potter (Harry Potter)


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Senator Armstrong (Metal Gear)


@GavsEvans123

FIGHT

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Armstrong just fights hand to hand, right? this seems like a bad matchup for him. I'm sure he's strong enough to throw things up at Harry, but if he's fast enough to play quidditch he's fast enough to dodge cars and whatever else might get thrown his way.

Leaning Harry because the killing curse would (probably?) get around Armstrong's nanomachines, son, but waiting for arguments


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is this real Harry Potter or rational Harry Potter

rational Harry just uses the Killing Curse and goes on with his day

real Harry would probably refuse to use it even at the cost of his life
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Shonen_Bat posted...

Armstrong just fights hand to hand, right? this seems like a bad matchup for him. I'm sure he's strong enough to throw things up at Harry, but if he's fast enough to play quidditch he's fast enough to dodge cars and whatever else might get thrown his way.

Leaning Harry because the killing curse would (probably?) get around Armstrong's nanomachines, son, but waiting for arguments

Armstrong is capable of launching projectiles and has some magnetism thing going on or something? At least based on his final boss fight and some of the DLC stuff with Sam. Also yeah it comes down to how Harry goes about it. Killing Curse could potentially win it for him baring NANOMACHINES SON interfering with that somehow but if he doesn't do that from the get go he probably gets stomped pretty quick.

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I don't think Harry would use the Killing Curse (does he ever even try that once in canon?), but I'm not sure how else he can take down Armstrong. On the other hand, I don't really see how Armstrong beats Harry (who presumably has his Invisibility Cloak and can teleport to avoid attacks if he has to). I'll wait for arguments from people who know these guys better,
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Drakeryn posted...

is this real Harry Potter or rational Harry Potter

rational Harry just uses the Killing Curse and goes on with his day

real Harry would probably refuse to use it even at the cost of his life

Yeah, this is a good point. Heck, Harry's signature spell is Expelliarmus, to the point where at the start of the 7th book he was told not to use it because it'd be a dead giveaway. And it wouldn't even be any good here because Armstrong doesn't have a weapon. The strongest thing I think Harry would be willing to use is Sectumsempra, and I'm not sure how useful that would be considering Sam one cut off Armstrong's hand and he just reattached it.

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This is real Harry Potter. Doesn't get a broomstick

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does he start without a wand too? lol

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Chuck_Tingle posted...

This is real Harry Potter. Doesn't get a broomstick

What happens if he tries to summon his broomstick, which is something he's totally done before?
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Shonen_Bat posted...

does he start without a wand too? lol

only one of those two things he carries around with him and uses to fight...

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Chuck_Tingle posted...

This is real Harry Potter. Doesn't get a broomstick

Harry Potter literally has a spell to instantly summon his broomstick that he uses in Goblet of Fire to win a battle that he wasn't allowed to bring his broomstick too


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Xeybozn posted...

What happens if he tries to summon his broomstick, which is something he's totally done before?

well it's not anywhere near him (arguably not even in the same universe), so nothing would happen, unless another magic broomstick happens to be lying around for... some reason. if this were hermione i'd buy her bringing a useful pocket dimension to the fight, but it isn't, so i don't

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Xeybozn posted...

I don't think Harry would use the Killing Curse (does he ever even try that once in canon?), but I'm not sure how else he can take down Armstrong. On the other hand, I don't really see how Armstrong beats Harry (who presumably has his Invisibility Cloak and can teleport to avoid attacks if he has to). I'll wait for arguments from people who know these guys better,

Armstrong can send out shockwaves, ground explosions, charge blitz, and chuck stuff at him at high speeds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRT-ndlz1f0

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Chuck_Tingle posted...

well it's not anywhere near him (arguably not even in the same universe), so nothing would happen, unless another magic broomstick happens to be lying around for... some reason. if this were hermione i'd buy her bringing a useful pocket dimension to the fight, but it isn't, so i don't

that's literally the spell though

it doesn't need to be anywhere near him, it picks it up from wherever it is and magically travels to where the caster is

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https://imgur.com/NItR3gV

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Armstrong

Harry is a good plucky underdog but the series makes it pretty clear that he's not an amazing genius fighter, just one competent enough to survive. He has a good toolset but I don't think he's quite experienced enough to fully use it yet, not when he's facing Armstrong doing a bunch of crazy nonsense.

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"The further the desired object is from the caster, the harder it is to summon. Hermione Granger, however, stated that it did not matter how far away the object was so long as the caster had it clearly in mind, they should be able to summon it with ease."

Objects affected by the summoning charm also move at close to light speed

although reading the wiki raises other questions. Are the nanomachines alive? Because if not... could he use the summoning spell on the machines themselves to rip them off of Armstrong?

Hell, could Expelliarmus disarm him of the nanomachines?

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Johnbobb posted...

https://imgur.com/NItR3gV

I know what accio does. it physically moves it from where it is to where he is. unless i'm badly mistaken, he's never used it for something more than a few miles away, and never when there's no path for it to get to where he is (or at least never successfully)

edit: fine, but harry isn't on his earth. even if you presume he's in the same universe, just a different planet, it'd still take prohibitively long to reach him

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Most of Armstrong's body is comprised nanomachines that are fully under his control. Jetstream Sam cuts off an arm and Armstrong turns the stump into the shape of a spike, uses that as a weapon, then reattaches the arm easily. Not something the disarming/accio spells will affect.

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Pirateking2000 posted...

Armstrong can send out shockwaves, ground explosions, charge blitz, and chuck stuff at him at high speeds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRT-ndlz1f0

Yeah, Armstrong has attacks strong enough to kill Harry? But can Armstrong hit Harry? I'm leaning Armstrong because I feel like Armstrong lands a hit before Harry starts using attacks strong enough to work, but I could see arguments going the other way.

...Come to think of it, does Harry have his Invisibility Cloak here? Being undetectable seems like it would make an even bigger difference than a broomstick.
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Xeybozn posted...

Yeah, Armstrong has attacks strong enough to kill Harry? But can Armstrong hit Harry? I'm leaning Armstrong because I feel like Armstrong lands a hit before Harry starts using attacks strong enough to work, but I could see arguments going the other way.

...Come to think of it, does Harry have his Invisibility Cloak here? Being undetectable seems like it would make an even bigger difference than a broomstick.

Given how he blitzed Sam from across the stage at high speeds? Yeah I am pretty sure he could hit Harry and Harry getting hit by anything Armstrong is packing probably puts him down for the count. There is also that bit against Raiden with him chucking huge debris super quickly (when you take blade mode slow motion into account) then charging just as he throws it for a follow up.

So yeah going with Armstrong for now. Unless Harry goes for the killing curse fast (if it would work) / generally acts way out of character I don't see him taking this.

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Harry would be much more likely to bring a cloak with him than a broomstick. I personally think he wouldn't, but that's something I think is up to interpretation. Even with it I'd give Armstrong a chance

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Armstrong is fast when he wants to be. He can rocket forward across the ground in a dash thats borderline flying...somehow...and do rapid punches. His biggest issue is honestly that he's too arrogant and doesn't go all-out right away. Are we supposed to consider personality as a major factor here?

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KamikazePotato posted...

Armstrong is fast when he wants to be. He can rocket forward across the ground in a dash thats borderline flying...somehow...and do rapid punches. His biggest issue is honestly that he's too arrogant and doesn't go all-out right away. Are we supposed to consider personality as a major factor here?

yeah, absolutely.

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Very heavily leaning Harry here. This just seems like a terrible matchup for Armstrong. Nanomachines make him all but invincible against physical attacks, but he's fighting someone who almost exclusively uses non-physical attacks. Armstrong has no experience against magic, and from what I can tell nothing about the nanomachines make me think he could do anything about spells like Impedimenta or Petrificus Totalus that would make Armstrong unable to move.

There are also magical shield charms, apparation charms to teleport away should Armstrong try to get close, levitation charms to catch anything that Armstrong throws at him.

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since it's being assumed that harry won't use the killing curse right away, probably

he has a lot of spells that stun or otherwise immobilize people, does Armstrong ever show that he can resist that?

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I was reading up on Stupefy, and I saw something interesting. McGonagall was hit by it from multiple Ministry employees, and Pomfrey, the school nurse, was shocked that it didn't kill McGonagall. So I think Harry might be able to kill Armstrong if he just chain casts Stupefy at him.

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thinking Harry definitely lands a stunning charm or something before Armstrong starts taking this seriously enough to close it out, and after that he's free to just do whatever

not sure if sectumsempra would be able to kill Armstrong but Harry has a spell that can cut through steel and other solid objects too


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Armstrong


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Does Harry get anything new from Cursed Child? It's canon, after all.

Harry is a crafty fighter - he got the highest marks possible in his Defense Against the Dark Arts OWL, and he seems to excel in situations where he needs to be resourceful. Expelliarmus is likely his first go-to, as has been said, though when that doesn't work, he could resort to other things like Petrificus Totalus and Stupefy. He might not be able to Accio his broom (though he'd certainly try), but he could Accio other objects in the terrain to aid him if need be. He certainly would not use the Killing Curse, or the other two Unforgivables.

The question is, would any of it matter? Armstrong is probably more durable than any other wizard Harry's faced. Harry also never really uses teleportation offensively (though again, if something changes in Cursed Child, it would be good to know), though he does rely on the Invisibility Cloak all the time. Wizards are more durable than humans, so I don't think Armstrong necessarily takes him out with one punch, but Harry's certainly the underdog here.

Armstrong

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Has their been any time a HP character tried stunning like a gargoyle or other animated stone? Armstrong's nanomachines would probably help him no-sell spells intended to work on biological creatures

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Chuck_Tingle posted...

Has their been any time a HP character tried stunning like a gargoyle or other animated stone? Armstrong's nanomachines would probably help him no-sell spells intended to work on biological creatures

The closest thing I can think of is that the spell has a hard time working on some magical creatures, like dragons or trolls. I can't think of a time when someone tried to stun an inanimate object. The Killing Curse, on the other hand, has instances of destroying stone, though Harry wouldn't use that spell if his life depended on it.

EDIT: The spell can be cast multiple times in a row, however, which amplifies its effect. Not sure if Harry would have the opportunity to do this once Armstrong laughs off the first spell.

Some additional thoughts as I come up with them:

Armstrong probably laughs off everything Harry can do. Armstrong is also very cocky and is likely to underestimate Harry. His nanomachines don't kick in right away, so he's vulnerable to rapid attacks until they harden and protect him.

I'm not sure if Armstrong's body would be affected by Harry's spells at all. Even if Armstrong is biological, tough creatures are resistant to spells (dragons, trolls, etc.), and Armstrong clearly would qualify for that category. Harry would keep trying magic,and Armstrong would keep laughing him off until Harry actually makes him mad, and then Armstrong takes him down with a wrestling move or something.

Armstrong for now.

rwlh posted...

Even if Armstrong is biological, tough creatures are resistant to spells (dragons, trolls, etc.), and Armstrong clearly would qualify for that category.

Dragons/trolls/etc are magical creatures, though. Armstrong isn't, so there's no reason to think he has any special magical resistance.
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Armstrong

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Xeybozn posted...

Dragons/trolls/etc are magical creatures, though. Armstrong isn't, so there's no reason to think he has any special magical resistance.

I don't mean in terms of having magical resistance - I just mean that they have tough hides that spells can't get past. Hagrid, a half-giant, also has this durability. Though sure, magical resistance is probably a part of it too. I was approaching from the perspective of Armstrong being durable physically like some of those creatures.

We never see how technology interacts with some of these spells too, which is why I wasn't sure about the particulars. What would Stupefy do to a robot? Probably knock it backwards at least, but how badly would it be damaged in addition to that? Potter magic is weird and inconsistent.

HP magic interferes with technology... electricity specifically, which has nothing to do with nanomachines

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rwlh posted...

Even if Armstrong is biological, tough creatures are resistant to spells (dragons, trolls, etc.), and Armstrong clearly would qualify for that category.

rwlh posted...

I don't mean in terms of having magical resistance - I just mean that they have tough hides that spells can't get past. Hagrid, a half-giant, also has this durability.

Armstrong
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Armstrong. I think Harry would fall into the same trap Raiden did of not really thinking Armstrong is the fucking Hulk and getting pummeled for it. Only Harry wouldn't survive

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