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likehelly
09/17/20 3:30:56 AM
#151:


i wasn't making a point at all

you were projecting, it's as simple as that

me calling you a nonce is just insulting you

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LinkPizza
09/17/20 3:32:03 AM
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Zeus posted...
Yes, which was a very reasonable statement. I guess it also kinda goes to show how quickly *any* attempt at bipartisanship is quickly written off by the board's far-left radical elements as Trumpism. I recall how he made a topic about Trump's environmental support and the board jumped down his throat.

It would have been reasonable if he stuck to it. He started like that, and then immediately got a bias for Trump. If his plan was to stay I unbiased to both parties, and then vote based on their current platform, then he failed, I guess...
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Zareth
09/17/20 3:32:17 AM
#153:


Zeus posted...
Family separations is an intellectually deceitful claim, considering that people involved in other lawbreaking are also separated from their kids.... and you can be separated from your kids even without breaking the law (and I should mention that CPS disproportionately impacts minority families)
What the actual fuck are you even trying to say here

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Entity13
09/17/20 3:35:03 AM
#154:


Zeus, someone trying to argue something, anything, is BS by shoveling heaping mounds of it, Shapiro-style, on that someone is the kind of mess I think we're all tired of responding to at this point. Also, I'm tired in general and need to be up tomorrow morning for work, so... Have fun continuing to shovel. I'm not accepting it.

G'night everybody.

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Zeus
09/17/20 3:39:14 AM
#155:


Entity13 posted...
The problem here is that the far right does the same thing, but with actual violence towards anyone who poses a threat to, well, whatever the cause is that particular day. The problem is that this division has gotten worse over the decades with "Us versus them" mentality. From what I have seen of the left, theirs is more reactionary to what they are seeing from the far right. What I mentioned in my post is their reaction to Trump and his avid followers.

I have to stop and laugh at this claim. While both sides are guilty of rhetoric, you're pretending that the RIGHT is the one that poses a threat when Antifa openly attacks and beats up people who oppose their rhetoric and you have wild-scale destruction & violence in the wake of BLM protests. And if the right was engaging in that kind of behavior, there would also certainly be universal condemnation.

And the idea that the left is merely reacting to the far-right is a little absurd, considering that the far-right rarely seems to *initiate* a protest (their actions are often reactionary, such as pro-statue demonstrations)

But sure, extremism is a problem. I don't deny that. However, there's a lot more leftwing extremism right now and the violence, destruction, etc, is almost exclusively coming from the left. And it's hardly a new phenomenon considering that cities were burning under Obama as well. Otherwise the discourse is so broken that any kind word for Trump tends to result in attack after attack after attack because there's a strong resistance to anything that might paint Trump in a less-than-terrible light.

likehelly posted...
what environmental support

Specifically the parks bills he passed and there was something else at the time I would need to google. There were two things at around the same time.

likehelly posted...
this is why he was ridiculed. because the one or two minor things trump did do that was good for the environment is vastly outweighed by literally the piles of everything else he and his administration did against it.

And here's the thing: Literally nothing he can do would ever appease his critics. People parrot shitty memes and they have their whataboutism lists -- which, to be fair, far-right activists did to Obama -- so even when people agree with Trump, they still complain about him. And, I should mention, that as much as you praise Obama as some kind of environmental savior, you could almost certainly fill a list with "anti-environment" claims during his administration because society can't exactly function without energy production.


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likehelly
09/17/20 3:43:55 AM
#156:


Zeus posted...
And here's the thing: Literally nothing he can do would ever appease his critics. People parrot shitty memes and they have their whataboutism lists -- which, to be fair, far-right activists did to Obama -- so even when people agree with Trump, they still complain about him. And, I should mention, that as much as you praise Obama as some kind of environmental savior, you could almost certainly fill a list with "anti-environment" claims during his administration because society can't exactly function without energy production.

i am a critic.

those park bills are great. they're good. they do not suddenly make everything his administration did that...completely fly in the face of those justified however.

if i went and punched a baby, but then gave a dollar to a homeless man, you wouldn't excuse me punching a baby, would you? no, probably not. and if you did, i'd punch you too, because that's ridiculous. and yet that's exactly what bard did. he excused everything else, because of the park bills.

it wasn't even a "yeah he did some shitty things, but these are pretty good." no, it was "these are pretty good" and abject ignorance of the other things.

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Zeus
09/17/20 3:49:53 AM
#157:


likehelly posted...
https://www.businessinsider.com/billionaires-net-worth-increases-coronavirus-pandemic-2020-7

someone else can do the rest of your garbage, i'm going to bed

>I said unless you're talking about net worth from stocks going up
>You literally post a link -- which you almost certainly didn't read (because it also contradicts your claims as being shortsighted) -- discussing stocks going up

And it's also worth noting that most of the big examples listed are from things WHERE PEOPLE ARE USING THEIR SERVICES MORE! Why is Amazon's stock going up? Because people are staying home. Why is Zoom suddenly a household name? Because people are using it in lieu of gatherings. The fact that they're seeing an increase in value should surprise nobody and has no malicious undertone.

LinkPizza posted... It would have been reasonable if he stuck to it. He started like that, and then immediately got a bias for Trump. If his plan was to stay I unbiased to both parties, and then vote based on their current platform, then he failed, I guess...

I didn't see much of that. He posted a few links to articles published by the NYT, NPR, etc, which spoke favorably of Trump and people lost their shit. If he had jumped to Fox News, that would have been a 180 (although he'd posted stuff from Fox criticizing Trump in the past)

Zareth posted... What the actual fuck are you even trying to say here

Two things:

1) The policy originates from the fact that the parents are being imprisoned for breaking border laws. Likewise when citizens break the laws, they're put in prison and separated from their families.

2) I was acknowledging that peoples' kids are taken from US citizens even when the parents violate no laws, which also happens. I guess that's mixed messaging.

Entity13 posted...
Zeus, someone trying to argue something, anything, is BS by shoveling heaping mounds of it, Shapiro-style, on that someone is the kind of mess I think we're all tired of responding to at this point. Also, I'm tired in general and need to be up tomorrow morning for work, so... Have fun continuing to shovel. I'm not accepting it.

G'night everybody.

Which is kinda how I felt while reading your long-ass post I responded to. At the end of the day, most Trump criticisms are a matter of throwing shit at the ceiling and seeing what sticks.


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Zareth
09/17/20 3:51:11 AM
#158:


Zeus posted...


1) The policy originates from the fact that the parents are being imprisoned for breaking border laws. Likewise when citizens break the laws, they're put in prison and separated from their families
Yeah but they generally don't put their kids in cages and sterilize their women.

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LinkPizza
09/17/20 4:01:36 AM
#159:


Zeus posted...
I didn't see much of that. He posted a few links to articles published by the NYT, NPR, etc, which spoke favorably of Trump and people lost their shit. If he had jumped to Fox News, that would have been a 180 (although he'd posted stuff from Fox criticizing Trump in the past)

Idk. I can only go off of the little I know. Though, why is it be a 180 for fox, but not for the stuff praising Trump? Both of those seems to show bias one way or another...
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Super Nuke
09/17/20 4:17:12 AM
#160:


If you're not suiciding 500+ accounts at once why even bother

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likehelly
09/17/20 4:56:47 AM
#161:


Zeus posted...
>I said unless you're talking about net worth from stocks going up
>You literally post a link -- which you almost certainly didn't read (because it also contradicts your claims as being shortsighted) -- discussing stocks going up

And it's also worth noting that most of the big examples listed are from things WHERE PEOPLE ARE USING THEIR SERVICES MORE! Why is Amazon's stock going up? Because people are staying home. Why is Zoom suddenly a household name? Because people are using it in lieu of gatherings. The fact that they're seeing an increase in value should surprise nobody and has no malicious undertone.

"how did this thing happen"
"saying how it happened doesn't count"


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Phantom_Nook
09/17/20 5:10:31 AM
#162:


does Trump pay Zeus to be this much of a shill?
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Entity13
09/17/20 11:06:00 AM
#163:


Zeus posted...
Which is kinda how I felt while reading your long-ass post I responded to. At the end of the day, most Trump criticisms are a matter of throwing s*** at the ceiling and seeing what sticks.

That is wholly untrue. It's more like pointing out what he did, knowing full well his supporters neither believe nor care; that 40-or-so percent of Americans compared to the rest of the entire world. I told you this before in another topic, and you didn't respond, but one of these sides is definitely guilty of the cult-like behavior of never questioning the authority they follow. You had called everyone else, who is anti-Trump, a cult before I said that. Just as I have yet to see you make any guess, let alone an informed one, which group is the actual cult here, I have yet to see a Trump supporter who hasn't fallen for a substantial criteria of being a cult member.

And yet you keep saying things by the truckload that, individually, can be refuted with a simple search, and you say you "feel like" I do the same when I refer to things that have actually happened? You call yourself any kind of centrist, let alone a left-leaning one, when the actual moderates on this board recognize the facts better than you're showing? Sod off, man. Those mounds you've been shoveling and peddling don't sell here.

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DirtBasedSoap
09/17/20 12:22:24 PM
#164:


Zeus posted...
Trump's environmental support
lol

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DirtBasedSoap
09/17/20 12:24:41 PM
#165:


Phantom_Nook posted...
does Trump pay Zeus to be this much of a shill?
probably russia

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Lokarin
09/17/20 1:33:17 PM
#166:


DirtBasedSoap posted...
lol

Trump has been taking some ok initiatives to protect the environment recently...

Which ALMOST balances out that he issued domestic bombings to get the Dakota Pipeline going back in 2017

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DirtBasedSoap
09/17/20 3:51:15 PM
#168:


Lokarin posted...
Trump has been taking some ok initiatives to protect the environment recently...
look at all the protections hes removed in the last 4 years
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/climate/trump-environment-rollbacks.html

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ClarkDuke
09/17/20 4:15:53 PM
#169:


Phantom_Nook posted...
does Trump pay Zeus to be this much of a shill?
no, zeus is just trying to earn his russian citizenship papers, ok?

he doesn't care if he comes off as a traitor to our country, he's far more interested in getting donald trumps attention, which is sad, ok?

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Mead
09/17/20 5:03:27 PM
#170:


wouldnt surprise me one bit to learn that Zeus is in fact Don jr

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ClarkDuke
09/17/20 5:11:52 PM
#171:


Mead posted...
wouldnt surprise me one bit to learn that Zeus is in fact Don jr
i think zeus would more accurately be tiffany trump, ok?

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Dmess85
09/18/20 2:01:51 PM
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account closed.

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Mead
09/18/20 2:16:50 PM
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Dmess85 posted...
account closed.

thanks fren

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