Current Events > Still cant believe idiots truly believe or were brainwashed to believe defunding

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the police is actually a good idea. It's definetly great for criminals and criminal activity though maybe that's what they secretly want. Instead of taking away money from law enforcement which would mean less police and less police=longer response times to crime activity, how about the leaders of law enforcement actually do their fucking job and fire cops who commit fireable offenses, discipline cops who haven't did enough to get fired but enough to get disciplined harshly, district attorneys file criminal charges if cops did something worth charging and hopefully convicting them and last but not least, actually listen to the cops that are trying to do the right thing and report bad cops instead of ignoring them then retaliate against their own like when women complain about sexual assasult in the military, they'd be shamed, ignored and treated like shit more than they already were.

Still can't believe idiots still think this is actually a widespread position and not a radical fringe pipe dream

Still can't believe it's not butter.

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Still can't believe it

habeeb it

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No one worth taking seriously has pushed to defund the police

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Solid Snake07 posted...

No one worth taking seriously has pushed to defund the police

Amazingly, some idiots think Biden wants to. Talk about delusional Trump slurping

How much money should the police have? Infinity money or something less? "Defund the police" isn't a great platform, but it's not completely ridiculous, unlike your post.

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I believe it.

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Still cant believe idiots truly believe or were brainwashed to believe Trump

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solosnake posted...

Still cant believe idiots truly believe or were brainwashed to believe Trump

Are you saying I believe Trump? No, I believe the BLM people when they said defund the police. Came straight from the horses mouths.

There are many studies that show that investing in housing, youth development and mental health and providing a living wage are far more effective in the long run at preventing crime than spending more on policing. Cutting down on rampant overtime abuse and militarization of police would be a start.

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IMNOTRAGED posted...

There are many studies that show that investing in housing, youth development and mental health and providing a living wage are far more effective in the long run at preventing crime than spending more on policing. Cutting down on rampant overtime abuse and militarization of police would be a start.

But the cops in Bumblefuck, Ohio NEED to have an armored truck!

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I can't believe you kiss your car goodnight.

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I think defund the police was an idea that was quickly switched back to reform (as it should be) the police because there are a lot of shitheads with and also without badges.

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We all know the safest neighborhoods have the most police in them while the most dangerous ones never have any police!

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IMNOTRAGED posted...

There are many studies that show that investing in housing, youth development and mental health and providing a living wage are far more effective in the long run at preventing crime than spending more on policing. Cutting down on rampant overtime abuse and militarization of police would be a start.

No there isn't. The only thing proven to prevent crime in history is economic opportunity. It's pretty simple, people making a living and getting by generally don't commit crime, they're just living their life

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It is a good idea; it's a great idea actually

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Naruto believes it

Conflict posted...

Literally all of the things he listed are related to economic opportunity...

No they aren't, they're just unsustainable substitutes created by governement. It's a bandaid on a huge artery laceration.

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Still cant believe idiots truly believe or were brainwashed to believe police spend most of their time and resources dealing with violent crime.

As a demographic minority having dealt with discriminatory acts of bigotry and violence towards me over my homosexuality, I do NOT want to see local law enforcement crippled.

Some cops can be complete assholes, but police department presence can still prevent an enormous amount of hate crimes towards the LGBTQ communities by just being an inconvenient element for violent offenders. At the end of the day most of them don't want to get locked up or add to their penalizing record. Hate crime and sexual assault activities notably INCREASE in areas offenders would consider "lawless zones" where they have more opportunities to exploit the lack of authorities. This is why so many LGBTQ folk can not wait to escape impoverished high crime neighborhoods: we're sitting ducks with little to no protection from hate crimes in those zones.

Violent anarchists and rioters who want to remove police presence are NOT allies protecting the rights of LGBTQ no matter what their banners say. They increase the odds of us being victimized as a minority by countering the law enforcement and encumbering it's resources.

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ClockworkHare posted...

As a demographic minority having dealt with discriminatory acts of bigotry and violence towards me over my homosexuality, I do NOT want to see local law enforcement crippled.

Some cops can be complete assholes, but police department presence can still prevent an enormous amount of hate crimes towards the LGBTQ communities by just being an inconvenient element for violent offenders. At the end of the day most of them don't want to get locked up or add to their penalizing record. Hate crime and sexual assault activities notably INCREASE in areas offenders would consider "lawless zones" where they have more opportunities to exploit the lack of authorities. This is why so many LGBTQ folk can not wait to escape impoverished high crime neighborhoods: we're sitting ducks with little to no protection from hate crimes in those zones.

Violent anarchists and rioters who want to remove police presence are NOT allies protecting the rights of LGBTQ no matter what their banners say. They increase the odds of us being victimized as a minority by countering the law enforcement and encumbering it's resources.

Precisely. People seem to ignore the precedent of lawlessness can go both ways. If you set the precedent that the lawlessness in your favor is okay it's inevitable that lawlessness in opposition is inevitable. And I can promise you incidents like kyle rittenhouse is just a taste of that.

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Solid Snake07 posted...

No they aren't, they're just unsustainable substitutes created by governement. It's a bandaid on a huge artery laceration.

The only sustainable system is feudalism. All others will run out of gold in 1000 years.

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ChocoboMogALT posted...

The only sustainable system is feudalism. All others will run out of gold in 1000 years.

Feudalism died out for a reason, which means it isn't sustainable.

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Solid Snake07 posted...

Feudalism died out for a reason, which means it isn't sustainable.

Brief research shows feudalism persists in Laxton, Nottinghamshire, England. Get your facts straight.

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ChocoboMogALT posted...

Brief research shows feudalism persists in Laxton, Nottinghamshire, England. Get your facts straight.

Brief research shows this is a community in england of around 500 people. Do you really think that warrants any level of real relevancy?

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Solid Snake07 posted...

Brief research shows this is a community in england of around 500 people. Do you really think that warrants any level of real relevancy?

I think it has as much relevancy as anything you've said ITT.

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ChocoboMogALT posted...

I think it has as much relevancy as anything you've said ITT.

I'm talking about billions of people in the 21st century, and you're talking about 500 people on the British isles upholding tradition to fault. Get a grip my man

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You said affordable housing was unrelated to economic opportunity and then called it unsustainable despite generally having a positive economic impact. If you want make ridiculous posts why should anyone take you seriously?

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ChocoboMogALT posted...

You said affordable housing was unrelated to economic opportunity and then called it unsustainable despite generally having a positive economic impact. If you want make ridiculous posts why should anyone take you seriously?

Housing is affordable where there's economic opportunity. Governement affordable housing is just another name for a slum. Housing without a source of income or prosperity is meaningless

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If the idea is there is a finite resource of funds to defend the "life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness" as it is stated in the United States, more of those finite resources need to be allocated to programs designed to raise people out of poverty.

A militarized police force does not positively impact poverty.

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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

If the idea is there is a finite resource of funds to defend the "life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness" as it is stated in the United States, more of those finite resources need to be allocated to programs designed to raise people out of poverty.

A militarized police force does not positively impact poverty.

The police have little to no impact on poverty, they're just there to deal with the shit society spits back out.

But I agree militization isnt the answer. This isn't an occupation. We have to figure out how to make this system work for those who want to contibute.

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Solid Snake07 posted...

The police have little to no impact on poverty, they're just there to deal with the shit society spits back out.

But I agree militization isnt the answer. This isn't an occupation. We have to figure out how to make this system work for those who want to contibute.

The police primarily patrol low income neighborhoods in search of citizens breaking the law so that they can write a ticket or make an arrest. The more arrests and tickets you successfully complete, the more likely you are to get a raise or promotion.

Why do police departments, a service that is primarily funded by the sales/local taxes of whatever county they preside in ever turn a "profit"? Police are a service that all taxpayers pay for.

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Oakland510_ posted...

how about the leaders of law enforcement actually do their fucking job and fire cops who commit fireable offenses

That's fine, but it also leaves Minnesota with 0 cops.

Perascamin posted...

The police primarily patrol low income neighborhoods in search of citizens breaking the law so that they can write a ticket or make an arrest. The more arrests and tickets you successfully complete, the more likely you are to get a raise or promotion.

Why do police departments, a service that is primarily funded by the sales/local taxes of whatever county they preside in ever turn a "profit"? Police are a service that all taxpayers pay for.

The police patrol low income neighborhoods because that's where the crime is occurring. To just pretend that's irrelevant is disingenuous

That doesn't mean we can't improve what they do while they're there, but let's not pretend it's irrelevant

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Solid Snake07 posted...

The police patrol low income neighborhoods because that's where the crime is occurring. To just pretend that's irrelevant is disingenuous

That doesn't mean we can't improve what they do while they're there, but let's not pretend it's irrelevant

You've shown you don't care about that, because you think that housing and education programs for the disadvantaged are not beneficial

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Perascamin posted...

You've shown you don't care about that, because you think that housing and education programs for the disadvantaged are not beneficial

That's not true though. I think they can be, but there has to be some kind of economic backbone to those communities. Putting people in government housing with no economic backbone to the community is just a slum. Look at most native american reservations around the country.

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You all post here in your echochamber some ridiculous disconnected unoriginal rhetoric you picked up listening to some media pundit. It'd be concerning if your presence wasn't limited to forums. A relief to know for the most part you all exist as meaningful and tangible as one's shadow. Ya'll are like personalities from one of those open mic nights where people pay money for stage time. Cringy AF.

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_Kowalski_ posted...

You all post here in your echochamber some ridiculous disconnected unoriginal rhetoric you picked up listening to some media pundit. It'd be concerning if your presence wasn't limited to forums. A relief to know for the most part you all exist as meaningful and tangible as one's shadow. Ya'll are like personalities from one of those open mic nights where people pay money for stage time. Cringy AF.

This post is cringy af tbh

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Solid Snake07 posted...

No they aren't, they're just unsustainable substitutes created by governement. It's a bandaid on a huge artery laceration.

Do you honestly believe that someone with a stable home is going to have as hard as a time finding a job as someone that is homeless? Do you not think that properly preparing youth for the real world is going to be detrimental to them being able to support themselves? Do you honestly believe that people with the proper support channels for mental health would make worse life decisions?

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The only changes I would have protested were a end to no knock raids, mendatory universal chest cams for all offices, and forbidding offices from impending civilians from recording.

Becuase if their doing their job proper and are recording themselves then theres nothing to fear.

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