Current Events > Diablo ruined the RPG Genre Loot System in a way

(+) Yeah! (+)

Because when the series came out that ever other Studio was trying to copy what they did with the loot system, and they still do to this day and spilling into other genres too.

I wonder how different RPGs would have been if they were not trying to copy Diablo.

I would personally call this one of the original gaming design sins that took hold that you can fit alongside with lootboxes.

Not to say Diablo's loot system was terrible (at the time), but what came after is terrible that became copy and paste for years to come.

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I never had a Zod dropped on me before ever.

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Why is it bad? Seems like you are just unhappy that other games copied it. What is bad with a loot system loaded with RNG?

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You can beat the game with a naked Blizz Sorc

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Veggeta_MAX posted...

I never had a Zod dropped on me before ever.

I did once.

I instantly slapped that baby into a socketed phase blade

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I threw my Zod in my perfect ethereal Ribcracker on my completely perfect roll Druid (minus 2% on my ring).

Good as it gets.

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I don't loot systems can ever be a real issue in single player games.

Funny thing is SOJs and Wedding Bands dropped like crazy for me.

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whitelytning posted...

Why is it bad? Seems like you are just unhappy that other games copied it. What is bad with a loot system loaded with RNG?

Just unhappy other games copied them because they can't do it right and only made worse with today's greed in the Gaming Industry.

Diablo just did it right at the time.

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i see

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I abhor dungeon crawlers. I've been playing videogames for well over 3 decades. Never played a single Diablo game, have no intention to do so.

closetjpopfan posted...

I abhor dungeon crawlers. I've been playing videogames for well over 3 decades. Never played a single Diablo game, have no intention to do so.

If you like seeing the same gear and dungeon walls/floors every few minutes, Diablo is the series for you

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It ruined Shadow Warrior 2 imo. Well, that and the level system making it way more repetitive than the 1st.

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If anything I liked the way Might and Magic 6 handled their inventory-loot system; it wasn't too repetitive, but it wasn't boring either.

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Fixed loot > random loot

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Spooking posted...

If Disgaea took off then other developers would have the max level be 9999 instead of 100. Imagine that grind.

OCD gamers will burn out so bad.

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Spooking posted...

If Disgaea took off then other developers would have the max level be 9999 instead of 100. Imagine that grind.

MapleStory didn't need a level cap that high to be the supreme grindfest.
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Flauros posted...

I instantly slapped that baby into a socketed phase blade

Ow. My brain.

Diablo was originally just a roguelike and then added action RPG combat. The random loot mechanic has been around since the 80s.

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Didn't Daggerfall have completely randomized dungeons with randomized loot inside

Slayerblade11 posted...

Didn't Daggerfall have completely randomized dungeons with randomized loot inside

I thought it just had so much content you never repeated the same thing twice.

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ssjevot posted...

I thought it just had so much content you never repeated the same thing twice.

"content" is a strong word

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Garioshi posted...

"content" is a strong word

I didn't say anything about the quality, lol.

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aren't there like only so many ways you can get "drops from enemies" so what's there to ruin?

it's not like diablo's fault that other shitty companies want to monetize it as much as possible.

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I can do at least 10 NM meph runs within 20 minutes. I will at least get something worth trading.

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I really have yet to gleam what the actual criticism is here ITT.

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For me it was Diablo II that ruined the looting. Diablo 1 was always pretty gear dependent, but at least the stuff you were able to find or buy was actually incrementally useful because there wasn't an unobtainably high standard set by exaggeratedly powerful uniques and runewords. And when that happens, the very best gear starts to become the most common gear even though it should be the rarest, so there's no fun in finding new stuff for yourself. Even if you do decide to play legit, your teammates are gonna mop the floor with all the kills they make because you just can't keep up. At least in D1 the most people got without hacking was a King's Sword of Haste or a Godly Plate of the Whale. Sure it might be boring but at least they didn't usurp the whole experience.

COVxy posted...

I really have yet to gleam what the actual criticism is here ITT.

IMO, what sucks are those MMORPG that has low spawn limited giant raid bosses that takes literal hours, hundreds of people who are all competent with that has a low percentage of good drops and when the raid boss is finally defeated everyone fucking cheats to get the drop. People are all willing to do this all the time in WoW and other MMORPGs with no complaints and yet we have people here crying about Diablo looting style.

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Veggeta_MAX posted...

IMO, what sucks are those MMORPG that has law spawn limited giant raid bosses that takes literal hours, hundreds of people who are all competent with that has a low percentage of good drops and when the raid boss is finally defeated everyone fucking cheats to get the drop. People are all willing to do this all the time in WoW and other MMORPGs with no complaints and yet we have people here crying about Diablo looting style.

Then play FFXIV

Bomberhead posted...

Ow. My brain.

I don't understand the issue.

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Zod runes make the socketed item indestructible. A phase blade has no durability stat, meaning that it is already indestructible. So a Zod in a phase blade is redundant.

Slayerblade11 posted...

I don't think loot systems can ever be a real issue in single player games.

"0.001% drop rate"

"Oh and you can buy gold with real money to just buy the loot from PSN"

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WingsOfGood posted...

Then play FFXIV

No thanks. I don't wanna pay a monthly sub.

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Veggeta_MAX posted...

I never had a Zod dropped on me before ever.

I played d2 for many years and the best I ever got was an Ist. I was thrilled though because I needed it and of all things to drop from, it came out of some random little common container thing.
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Spooking posted...

If Disgaea took off then other developers would have the max level be 9999 instead of 100. Imagine that grind.

To be fair, you can beat most of those games around level 60. The extreme level cap is just for post game content. It's much closer to something like badass ranks in borderlands where it's just there so you have something to keep increasing when you're done with the story.

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