Poll of the Day > Cops Kill Naked Man Via Asphixiation

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In b4 some moron claims that the victim's nudity posed a lethal threat that justified suffocating him to death.
https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2020/09/02/us/ap-us-rochester-police-death.html
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/police-put-hood-on-black-man-killed-by-asphyxiation/vi-BB18EuHp?ocid=AMZN

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A penis is more dangerous than a gun or a knife

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TC isn't giving this story enough credit.

A Black man who had run naked through the streets of a western New York city died of asphyxiation after a group of police officers put a hood over his head, then pressed his face into the pavement for two minutes, according to video and records released Wednesday by the man's family.

Holy shit

This can't end well. If the criminal justice system doesn't bring these criminals to justice, it's only a matter of time before someone else does.

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Shadowbird_RH posted...

This can't end well. If the criminal justice system doesn't bring these criminals to justice, it's only a matter of time before someone else does.

Honestly, I'm surprised it hasn't happened already. So many of these cops have had their identities publicized to more than enough of an extent to let some vigilante track them down and the justice they feel is necessary. I guess the whole "if you resort to extrajudicial violence then you're no better than they are" thing has kept people in check.

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Video is tough to watch. That poor man had mental health issues and his own brother called the cops to check in on him because he was worried about him. Once they get him down to the ground he makes these awful, heartbreaking noises before succumbing. Paramedics arrive and immediately start chest compressions, all while his hands are still cuffed behind his back. Absolutely tragic. Fucking cops in this country are out of control.

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Far-Queue posted...

That poor man had mental health issues and his own brother called the cops to check in on him because he was worried about him.

Ah, the good ol' "wellness check" that results in police killing the person they're checking on the wellness of. A timeless classic.

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Just a reminder that hooding is a violation of the Geneva Conventions, which of course applies to warfare.

A technique deemed internationally to be too fucked up for war was used against a person they swore to serve and protect.

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BlackScythe0 posted...

TC isn't giving this story enough credit.

Indeed, the quote you gave makes it sound they were caught in the middle of a lynching.

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It's sad that these brutal techniques employed by poorly trained police "professionals" only get reviewed when something tragic happens.

Eric Garner - chokeholds

George Floyd - Sitting/Kneeling on a detainee

Prude - Spit hoods

What's even sadder is that there were undoubtedly countless victims of this sort of brutality that went unnoticed because they didn't result in death or serious injury.

And what's absolutely pathetic is the sorry ass bootlickers who defend this shit like "Being a cop is dangerous! You want the cops to get spit on/punched/kicked/etc?"

No, I don't want cops to be harmed any more than I want suspects who are due their day in court to be harmed. Lethal force should be insanely rare, especially when you factor in the tools at a cop's disposal: taser, pepper spray, handcuffs etc etc.

My wife is a nurse in a busy metro hospital. She gets patients who are drunk, or high, or have mental health issues, or any combination of those and more. She's been kicked and punched and spit on, even had piss and shit thrown at her. She's had to restrain countless agitated, combative patients, as well as have had her peers. Guess how many wind up dead or incur serious injury from their restraints? That'd be a nice, round "zero"

Cops dealing with crazy people is no excuse for them becoming public executioners. They need more intensive, proper training, and we need to find programs that can help contain or deter this type of stuff before it has a chance to get to the point where cops need to be involved.

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Metalsonic66 posted...

A penis is more dangerous than a gun or a knife

A woman knows this well.

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Far-Queue posted...

Video is tough to watch. That poor man had mental health issues and his own brother called the cops to check in on him because he was worried about him.

I have no idea why blacks in particular keep doing this nonsense. You're better off not calling the police. This is not the first one recently where they get called for non criminal reasons and someone ends up dead. If I lived in the US I could be getting robbed blind and still wouldn't have shit to do with the police.

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faramir77 posted...

Just a reminder that hooding is a violation of the Geneva Conventions, which of course applies to warfare.

A technique deemed internationally to be too fucked up for war was used against a person they swore to serve and protect.

That might have been a spit guard but I'm not sure.

Anyways It took them 6 months just to get the video released, that is how hard police fight to keep evidence of their crimes going public. This should have been public with charges filed the next day. I'd be surprised if any charges have been filed at this point.

adjl posted...

Ah, the good ol' "wellness check" that results in police killing the person they're checking on the wellness of. A timeless classic.

When we say 'defund the police' we mean hey maybe give a little less money to police and more to social services so these wellness checks can be handled by mental health professionals(with maybe a police officer along in case things do get violent)

Unfortunately folks on the right read a story like this and all they think is good

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Far-Queue posted...

My wife is a nurse in a busy metro hospital. She gets patients who are drunk, or high, or have mental health issues, or any combination of those and more. She's been kicked and punched and spit on, even had piss and s*** thrown at her. She's had to restrain countless agitated, combative patients, as well as have had her peers. Guess how many wind up dead or incur serious injury from their restraints? That'd be a nice, round "zero"

Yep. It's really kind of ridiculous how many people adopt the "they were being combative, how else could the cops subdue them except with this level of force?" argument in defense of police brutality. Maybe they should consider asking the nurses, social workers, mental health workers, paramedics, and countless other professions that deal with violent people on a daily basis without having to kill them? Protocols exist for dealing with these situations without seriously risking the life of the person being restrained/subdued. They're more complicated and involve more personal risk than "he's being difficult just shoot him," but that's their job, and anyone that can't handle that shouldn't have that job.

MeteoricBurst posted...

I have no idea why blacks in particular keep doing this nonsense. You're better off not calling the police.

In a lot of cases, it's a matter of trying to be the first one to call the police so they can explain the situation and hopefully end up with a better outcome than if a stranger reports him. In theory, "my brother is suffering a psychotic break and is running naked around the neighbourhood but can be talked down by doing X, Y, and Z" should turn out better than "some crazy guy is running naked around the neighbourhood make him go away." In practice, because American police are hideously under-educated and ill-equipped to handle situations like this that could be resolved peacefully with better-qualified professionals, odds are they're still just going to kill them, but the odds are still probably slightly better.

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argonautweakend posted...

When we say 'defund the police' we mean hey maybe give a little less money to police and more to social services so these wellness checks can be handled by mental health professionals(with maybe a police officer along in case things do get violent)

Eeyup. A whole lot of people seem to think it's just a matter of "disband the police we don't like them," but it's really a matter of recognizing that police are not the ideal people to deal with some problems, and reallocating funds as needed to fund alternatives that are better equipped. That's often paired with a push to reallocate funds from police to education, given how intrinsically educational deficits are linked to police involvement, but that's a bit more complicated (namely, educational funding takes many years before the effects are seen, whereas defunding police would have immediate effects).

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More people should be for defunding police. You expect your average officer to do the jobs of many, even ones that go to school for years for that very thing(mental health professionals). I'd rather have cops who can easily focus(as much as they can...being a cop is tough of course) on a few things rather than cops overburdened with 500 'jobs' they aren't qualified for or trained for.

If a social worker showed up to the Charles Kinsey scenario, maybe they would have recognized Arnaldo Soto wasn't a real serious threat, just a person with advanced autism who needs reigned in and actually helped de-escalate the situation. Instead we get officers with guns drawn while Kinsey urged his patient to cooperate. Kinsey was shot(he survived) and the officer that shot him DOESNT EVEN KNOW WHY HE DID.

That is a problem. Highly Autistic people aren't super dangerous, but they may appear so to untrained individuals because they don't recognize what the ins and outs of the condition are like Kinsey or another trained social worker would.

Gaawa_chan posted...

In b4 some moron claims that the victim's nudity posed a lethal threat that justified suffocating him to death.

It legitimately does...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/3-poll-of-the-day/78950315

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Lokarin posted...

It legitimately does...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/3-poll-of-the-day/78950315

being naked doesnt make you more infectious Lok

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Mead posted...

being naked doesnt make you more infectious Lok

Naked doesn't include masks?

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BlackScythe0 posted...

TC isn't giving this story enough credit.

Holy shit

Sorry. I was a bit at a loss for words after watching the video.

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i don't understand why a hood was put on his head at all. is that standard police procedure?

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argonautweakend posted...

When we say 'defund the police' we mean hey maybe give a little less money to police and more to social services so these wellness checks can be handled by mental health professionals(with maybe a police officer along in case things do get violent)

Personally I think they shouldn't be defunded, they should be forced to put money into better training, because clearly they aren't training them enough or right

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Muscles posted...

Personally I think they shouldn't be defunded, they should be forced to put money into better training, because clearly they aren't training them enough or right

Realistically, you're never going to get to a point where police officers are going to be the best option for every scenario police are currently involved in, no matter how well you train them. They do need better training (there's a graphic I've seen floating around that compares police education/training requirements across countries and police-related deaths, and the US is particularly light on training and particularly high on deaths), but mostly, they need to know when it's time for the hammer to step down and let another tool handle a non-nail problem (tools which need their own funding).

There's also no reason to presume that police departments need more funding for better training. Enough of the information police need is universal enough that prospective officers can just pay for their own education from third parties instead of getting everything on the job (like pretty much every other professional field), leaving on-the-job training to cover aspects that are more unique to that community/department. The mere act of adding some barriers to entry would also cut down on the number of people that treat the police force as a promotion from their previous position of High School Bully, which is a non-trivial part of the brutality problem.

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Lokarin posted...

Naked doesn't include masks?

not moreso than a clothed person with no mask

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Mead posted...

not moreso than a clothed person with no mask

It was just a goof anyways, covid has killed more cops than all other sources combined so the joke is that covid is a "credible fear" to justify violence

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adjl posted...

Realistically, you're never going to get to a point where police officers are going to be the best option for every scenario police are currently involved in, no matter how well you train them. They do need better training (there's a graphic I've seen floating around that compares police education/training requirements across countries and police-related deaths, and the US is particularly light on training and particularly high on deaths), but mostly, they need to know when it's time for the hammer to step down and let another tool handle a non-nail problem (tools which need their own funding).

There's also no reason to presume that police departments need more funding for better training. Enough of the information police need is universal enough that prospective officers can just pay for their own education from third parties instead of getting everything on the job (like pretty much every other professional field), leaving on-the-job training to cover aspects that are more unique to that community/department. The mere act of adding some barriers to entry would also cut down on the number of people that treat the police force as a promotion from their previous position of High School Bully, which is a non-trivial part of the brutality problem.

I think you misunderstood what I meant (or I misunderstood this post) the police should have their money moved from paying extra cops for those scenarios they don't need to be a part of and put that money into training the smaller police forces the right way

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Muscles posted...

I think you misunderstood what I meant (or I misunderstood this post) the police should have their money moved from paying extra cops for those scenarios they don't need to be a part of and put that money into training the smaller police forces the right way

less money should go to a lot of departments because they pad their funding every year and spend tons of money on military gear and other things that dont really serve the public well

that money is desperately needed in education and mental health services, both of which have a far greater impact on reducing crime

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Cops are not adequately trained to deal with mental health issues just as mental health professionals arent trained to end a bank robbery.

The only difference is that as a country weve chosen to glorify police and the military to such an extent that when you say hey cops shouldnt regularly kill citizens you are seen as promoting fringe views and hating cops.

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Muscles posted...

I think you misunderstood what I meant (or I misunderstood this post) the police should have their money moved from paying extra cops for those scenarios they don't need to be a part of and put that money into training the smaller police forces the right way

The police have spent 1.7 billion on buying military equipment. They do not want the right training. They want bigger guns. They have made their decision as to where their priorities are. Now it is our time as a society to decide if we agree.


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kangolcone posted...

They want bigger guns

Never know when Zilla might show up

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America is actually so fucked up lol oh my fucking god what is wrong with you guys lmao how can you actually live like this? Serious question lol

what the actual hell lol

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FatalAccident posted...

America is actually so fucked up lol oh my fucking god what is wrong with you guys lmao how can you actually live like this? Serious question lol

what the actual hell lol

it sounds worse than it actually is

most of us are just chilling and eating burritos, playing video games

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Mead posted...

it sounds worse than it actually is

most of us are just chilling and eating burritos, playing video games

That's a really privileged thing to say, I just wanted to point that out for you to reflect on. You're posting this comment in a topic about another black man who was killed due to, at minimum, gross mishandling by the police. To say it's not that bad here when this is a regular occurrence because you're white and can eat burritos and play video games is coming from a huge place of privilege.


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I mean, he's not entirely wrong. Yes, there's a lot of privilege involved in never having to question whether or not you're going to be randomly killed by the cop that just pulled you over for having a burnt-out tail light, but in practice, most black people won't be randomly killed either. Police interactions with black people that end in death do comprise a fairly small minority of all police interactions with black people. It's still happening way too often, compounded by the fact that black people have way more interactions with police than they ought to (in 5.5 years of driving, I've never been pulled over. Good luck finding a black person that can claim the same thing), but saying that it sounds worse than it actually is is still correct. The fact that uneventful interactions receive virtually no attention massively biases the sample and makes it seem like eventful ones make up a far greater percentage than they do.

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adjl posted...

Yes, there's a lot of privilege involved in never having to question whether or not you're going to be randomly killed by the cop that just pulled you over for having a burnt-out tail light,

You could have stopped here. The rest of your post about frequency in occurrence is superfluous. The general consensus among sane people is that it's happening too much for questionable situations.

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Jen0125 posted...

That's a really privileged thing to say, I just wanted to point that out for you to reflect on. You're posting this comment in a topic about another black man who was killed due to, at minimum, gross mishandling by the police. To say it's not that bad here when this is a regular occurrence because you're white and can eat burritos and play video games is coming from a huge place of privilege.

Maybe, but if thats the case then I firmly believe everyone deserves the privilege of burritos and video games without cops trying to kill them all the time

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Mead posted...

Maybe, but if thats the case then I firmly believe everyone deserves the privilege of burritos and video games without cops trying to kill them all the time

Okay, so you aren't going to reflect on it. Got it.

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Jen0125 posted...

Okay, so you aren't going to reflect on it. Got it.

I am, I just also typically use humor as a way to communicate how I feel

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@Jen0125

For what its worth I do think youre right

The only life Ive ever experienced is my own and I probably dont appreciate or fully understand struggles that some other people have had to go through

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Jen0125 posted...

The rest of your post about frequency in occurrence is superfluous.

Not in responding to a comment along the lines of "how do you guys live in such a wantonly murderous police state?" The bottom line is that most people - regardless of race - will never be at real risk of being murdered by police. It still happens way too often, especially when you compare it to police-related death rates in other developed nations, but that doesn't mean it's as bad as post #33 seems to suggest.

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It's almost like they're trying to start a race war

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I wanted to respond to what FatalAccident said but Mead and AdjI said pretty much everything I had on mind

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deoxxys posted...

I wanted to respond to what FatalAccident said but Mead and AdjI said pretty much everything I had on mind

??

It sounds worse than it actually is is really not an answer. The fact that people are genuinely scared for their lives when they get pulled over by police is an issue. Not to mention (despite it being a minority of cases overall) the fact that black people are still getting disproportionately killed by police over seemingly minor shit is unbelievable.

For somebody to say ah well its actually not that bad kinda just says it all lol

the way some of you guys have normalised this kind of thing is just so bizarre. What is happening over there is really not normal at all

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someone smart and cool should conquer us

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Mead posted...

someone smart and cool should conquer us

Magog of Morskar?

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Lokarin posted...

Magog of Morskar?

dont know who that is but sure he sounds pretty cool

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