Poll of the Day > So wtf is taking so long to pass police reform?

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I understand why something like police reform might not get a passage through either chamber of Congress, but what about local governments and state governments?

Are any of these government bodies doing anything to pass police reform legislation at all?

Its been a couple of months since George Floyd's death, and I would at least expect a couple of laws that would improve the situation that were currently in.

Nothing too concrete, because I understand that reform like this takes time and planning, and you also need statistics and information as well.

But there are laws that local and state governments could do to stem the current racial tensions like making it illegal to call the police on a black person who is doing nothing wrong for example.

Hell, in these cities that are having all these riots and police shootings, they could pass police accountability laws that make police officer subject to laws that they enforce instead of having police departments have its own accountability system.

Seriously, there is simple things that they could do right now to curb the problem, but they're not doing it right now.

Why?

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money

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Mead posted...

money

Clarify?

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Some of those that run forces are the same that burn crosses. Thats the real answer.

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money, the trump administration actually encouraging the police to keep doing what they're doing, shitty stupid police unions who do nothing, like actually nothing, but protect the scum, ect.

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It costs money to enact real reform. People would rather continue with the problematic status quo than risk losing their job after systemic reform. This goes beyond police forces and extends to the legal system itself as well as the for profit prison system.

Among voters, there is indifference towards the issue primarily from conservatives due to the fact that police brutality mostly affects black people. There's also the notion that if they lick enough boots they might find themselves part of the ruling class they idolize.

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likehelly posted...

money, the trump administration actually encouraging the police to keep doing what they're doing, shitty stupid police unions who do nothing, like actually nothing, but protect the scum, ect.

weird how police can have unions but walmart can't

police the walmarts!

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because people in power don't want to do it. they wait until the fire dies down and move on

thedeerzord posted...

Clarify?

Departments want more funding so they keep coming up with more and more things that they need money for like all sorts of over the top tactical weapons and vehicles or money for large seminars on aggressive policing. They also dont want to spend money on lawsuits and settlements so the police unions are very much against reforms to things like qualified immunity and civic forfeiture.

Its hard to change any of these things because republicans have embraced support for police as one of their core principles, and likewise democrats generally dont want to oppose unions and most of these issues are strongly supported by the large and powerful police unions.

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It's a protection racket.

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1. No politician wants to be seen as "soft on crime", so when a bill comes up involving money for cops, they have to vote for it. Taking money away from the police is political suicide.
2. Slavery was never totally abolished in the US. The Constitution still allows for involuntary servitude "as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted". You gotta put people in jail if you want slaves. Witness California, where wildfires are out of control because the majority of their fire fighting force are convicts who are now sick with COVID-19.
3. Prisons are big business. CoreCivic, formerly Corrections Corporation of America, has nearly $2 BILLION in annual revenue. GeoGroup has nearly $2.5 BILLION in revenue. These companies not only get paid to house inmates, but they can rent them out as cheap labor.

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Police protect and serve the government, not the populace, so the government is not in a hurry to compromise their protection from the populace

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This senator put forth a police reform bill
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6NWDEE2Uj8

but democrats killed it immediately because they want to use the riots and chaos against trump in the election, they weren't willing to debate or suggest changes to it.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/democrats-block-republican-police-reform-bill-kill-hope-of-passing-legislation-amid-protests

this has zero to do with money, the people who answered money here are all conveniently democrats (granted i'm a republican so take that into account), they're making up lies and shilling for their party and the people they are going to vote for.

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Wanded posted...

but democrats killed it immediately because they want to use the riots and chaos against trump in the election

this is some really bizarre mental gymnastics dude

trump is literally banking his entire re-election strategy on pointing at riots and looting in order to scare enough folks into thinking that democrats want to destroy the suburbs for some unexplained reason

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"defund the police!"

"guns are bad, citizens shouldn't be allowed to have them!"

pick one.
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BADoglick posted...

Police protect and serve the government, not the populace, so the government is not in a hurry to compromise their protection from the populace

That's true. Cops let a woman's husband murder their children.
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Mead posted...

trump is literally banking his entire re-election strategy on pointing at riots and looting

firs of all, nothing in your post negates the fact republicans put forth a police reform bill and democrats killed it, which is the issue, and not money like you said in your first post.

second, according to your logic (if we can call it that), the one who is supposed to jump through hoops and over fire pits to kill the police reform bill is trump, because according to you he "wants" the riots, yet it was democrats who organized its murder. once again reality is the complete opposite of the things you say, the reality is trump keeps trying to stop the riots while democrats and the media (but i repeat myself) tackle him on every turn.

republicans put forth a police reform bill, democrats killed it and literally left the room without talking about it and the media didn't say anything about that

trump told the democrat governors and mayors to use federal forces in order to regain law and order, they all refused and even told their own city forces to stand back and let the riots and looting occur, there are plenty of videos where you can see rioting and looting happening with cops nearby, the cops aren't doing anything because they were ordered to stand down.

trump then saw democrats have forsaken their cities to leftist antifa and BLM so he said screw it and sent federal agents himself to regain law and order, all the democrat mayors opposed this and the mainstream media labeled trump a fascist while doing zero reporting on the looting and rioting (i remember you also said similar things when it happened)

you rationalize every move to halt the riots as bad, yet i'm the one doing bizzare mental gymnastics.

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The people who wanted it to get to this point where reform is needed generally like the idea of it not being reformed, and unfortunately, they tend to be the ones with the power to enact such reform. As such, they're resisting the idea in hopes that the political pressure will die off before their hand is forced. Toss in that nobody's really sure exactly how to go about such reform, given that the current paradigm is so entrenched in American culture as to be almost inextricable, and it's slow going.

Krazy_Kirby posted...

"defund the police!"

"guns are bad, citizens shouldn't be allowed to have them!"

pick one.

why pick one?

Fam_Fam posted...

why pick one?

Because somebody doesn't understand that there are more options than letting the police deal with every possible problem and the entire country descending into a lawless wasteland.

Reforming police would mean reforming the current warmongering global economy.

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Because protesting is pretty much the stupidest way to try to get anything, except token gestures. More importantly, first you have to figure out if there's a problem, the nature of the problem, and find possible solutions. There are some easy things you can address like banning certain chokeholds, but other things aren't necessarily emblematic of a larger problem, and even when things are used right -- like when an officer is assaulted by a suspect who tries to take his gun and then the suspect is shot -- you still see large scale riots, etc, and a false narrative is continued EVEN AFTER politicians who tried to support the narrative were forced to concede that the events happened as police claimed.

Fam_Fam posted... why pick one?

Because if you don't have cops, you need shit to defend yourself. And honestly, a gun will do a much better job of defending you than most cops.

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lol this guy thinks the government actually does anything

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Smarkil posted...

lol this guy thinks the government actually does anything

They do. A functional, responsible one helps allocate tax revenue responsibly. That isn't our current government.

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Defunding the police doesn't mean getting rid of them, but taking the money that's currently being spent on police and spending on stuff to eliminate the need for police, like job training, low income housing, treatment for drug addiction, and mental health services.

And while we're at it, how about defunding the military as well. We currently spend over 1/2 the discretionary budget on the military, more money than the next 12 largest militaries combined. If we cut the military budget in half we'd still spend more than the next 4 largest militaries combined, and think about all the money we could pour into things like education and scientific research.

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captpackrat posted...

And while we're at it, how about defunding the military as well.

Let's not... I'm fine with them getting more funding...
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LinkPizza posted...

Let's not... I'm fine with them getting more funding...

SunWuKung420 posted...

Reforming police would mean reforming the current warmongering global economy.

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captpackrat posted...

Defunding the police doesn't mean getting rid of them, but taking the money that's currently being spent on police and spending on stuff to eliminate the need for police, like job training, low income housing, treatment for drug addiction, and mental health services.

And while we're at it, how about defunding the military as well. We currently spend over 1/2 the discretionary budget on the military, more money than the next 12 largest militaries combined. If we cut the military budget in half we'd still spend more than the next 4 largest militaries combined, and think about all the money we could pour into things like education and scientific research.

The military doesn't need to be defunded as much as we need to stop building shit we won't use like the amount of missiles we have.
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Revelation34 posted...

The military doesn't need to be defunded as much as we need to stop building shit we won't use like the amount of missiles we have.

And office buildings

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Wanded posted...

trump then saw democrats have forsaken their cities to leftist antifa

lmao you crack me up dude

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_AdjI_ posted...

Because somebody doesn't understand that there are more options than letting the police deal with every possible problem and the entire country descending into a lawless wasteland.

Zeus posted...

Because if you don't have cops, you need shit to defend yourself.

Don't you love when stuff lines up like that?

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PyroBlade1985 posted...

Portland still burns Mead. You really think most citizens are going to blame Trump when this is over?

You think it's portlander's attacking their own city?

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PyroBlade1985 posted...

I don't know. Maybe you can ask Jay Bishop.

Who?

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PyroBlade1985 posted...

Portland still burns Mead. You really think most citizens are going to blame Trump when this is over?

Portland is my sworn enemy

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Zeus posted...

Because protesting is pretty much the stupidest way to try to get anything, except token gestures. More importantly, first you have to figure out if there's a problem, the nature of the problem, and find possible solutions. There are some easy things you can address like banning certain chokeholds, but other things aren't necessarily emblematic of a larger problem, and even when things are used right -- like when an officer is assaulted by a suspect who tries to take his gun and then the suspect is shot -- you still see large scale riots, etc, and a false narrative is continued EVEN AFTER politicians who tried to support the narrative were forced to concede that the events happened as police claimed.

Because if you don't have cops, you need shit to defend yourself. And honestly, a gun will do a much better job of defending you than most cops.

then how come crime rates aren't through the roof in places with far less gun ownership globally?

PyroBlade1985 posted...

Portland still burns Mead. You really think most citizens are going to blame Trump when this is over?

Yes

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They're just waiting until people stop being outraged about it.

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thedeerzord posted...

So wtf is taking so long to pass [legislation]

have you been to america before

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PyroBlade1985 posted...

WTF are you talking about?

It knows why

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lmao imagine not thinking that the cheeto tinged dickweed isnt deliberately sending in/promoting armed forces to incite riots

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hamsarris_ posted...

lmao imagine not thinking that the cheeto tinged dickweed isnt deliberately sending in/promoting armed forces to incite riots

I smell a conspiracy theory.
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It's not even clear what these reforms should look like. Body cams and a hedge clipper for qualified immunity are obvious places to start, but those aren't without complications. When you get into things like defunding the police you have even bigger problems of working out the particulars. Some of these problems are non-trivial such as shipping companies unwilling to do business with cities that defund their police forces. The people wanting that money to go into social programs might very well (and quite rightly) feel cheated that it's going into private security for truckers delivering cans of beans to the supermarket.

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We can't reform the police until we reform our hearts.

captpackrat posted...

Defunding the police doesn't mean getting rid of them, but taking the money that's currently being spent on police and spending on stuff to eliminate the need for police, like job training, low income housing, treatment for drug addiction, and mental health services.

you think people wouldn't be criminals if they had houses and better paying jobs?

ahahahahahaha
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Police reform isnt needed. Like any line of work, youre always going to get some bad apples. Sometimes unfortunate things happen, but thankfully they can happen to scum like Floyd and Blake.

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