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King_Hutton 08/27/20 1:38:44 PM #204:	hockeybub89 posted... Are we allowed to victim blame a self-defense shooter who came from several states over with an illegal gun just to stir shit? He needs to be a victim for it to be victim blaming --- All hail King Hutton Official Carter Hutton fanboy <cite>King_Hutton posted [p:943889549] in Literally ... [t:78937047]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted... </cite> <quote>Are we allowed to victim blame a self-defense shooter who came from several states over with an illegal gun just to stir shit?</quote>He needs to be a victim for it to be victim blaming </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AceBoogie 08/27/20 1:40:39 PM #205:	Lyrica posted... Should he be charged for illegally having a firearm? Is anybody arguing that he shouldnt? <cite>AceBoogie posted [p:943889636] in Literally ... [t:78937047]...</cite> <quote>Lyrica posted... </cite> <quote>Should he be charged for illegally having a firearm?</quote>Is anybody arguing that he shouldnt? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lordofmud 08/27/20 1:41:04 PM #206:	Lyrica posted... Should he be charged for illegally having a firearm? Who are you talking about? Kid or protestor. Also, hate that you made me read but I couldnt find anything on the protesters shot. So that's my point. If the facts are not yet in evidence we are just speculating. I'm not going to get into property vs. Lives. Not the issue here. Only not the issue because was dumb and underage. If this had been an adult in possession of a weapon legally I'm not sure how things go down. --- I know, indeed, the evil of that I purpose; but my inclination gets the better of my judgment. - Euripides <cite>lordofmud posted [p:943889648] in Literally ... [t:78937047]...</cite> <quote>Lyrica posted... </cite> <quote>Should he be charged for illegally having a firearm?</quote>Who are you talking about? Kid or protestor. Also, hate that you made me read but I couldnt find anything on the protesters shot. So that's my point. If the facts are not yet in evidence we are just speculating. I'm not going to get into property vs. Lives. Not the issue here. Only not the issue because was dumb and underage. If this had been an adult in possession of a weapon legally I'm not sure how things go down. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lyrica 08/27/20 1:41:39 PM #207:	King_Hutton posted... Yes, now why are you deflecting to this? I'm not deflecting anything. That was literally my point, and I wasn't interested in that strawman setup that didn't address what I said. Anyway, I got my answer. Thanks. <cite>Lyrica posted [p:943889660] in Literally ... [t:78937047]...</cite> <quote>King_Hutton posted... </cite> <quote>Yes, now why are you deflecting to this?</quote>I'm not deflecting anything. That was literally my point, and I wasn't interested in that strawman setup that didn't address what I said. Anyway, I got my answer. Thanks. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lyrica 08/27/20 1:44:54 PM #208:	lordofmud posted... Who are you talking about? Kid or protestor. Also, hate that you made me read but I couldnt find anything on the protesters shot. So that's my point. If the facts are not yet in evidence we are just speculating. I'm not going to get into property vs. Lives. Not the issue here. Only not the issue because was dumb and underage. If this had been an adult in possession of a weapon legally I'm not sure how things go down. There is information on all 3 protesters that were shot. All parties had criminal backgrounds. Not saying it's relevant or anything, but I do believe the felon with the handgun will be charged. That's why I responded to your post, because I know you said you don't believe any of the protesters were charged (although I don't think he was charged yet). <cite>Lyrica posted [p:943889792] in Literally ... [t:78937047]...</cite> <quote>lordofmud posted... </cite> <quote>Who are you talking about? Kid or protestor. Also, hate that you made me read but I couldnt find anything on the protesters shot. So that's my point. If the facts are not yet in evidence we are just speculating. I'm not going to get into property vs. Lives. Not the issue here. Only not the issue because was dumb and underage. If this had been an adult in possession of a weapon legally I'm not sure how things go down.</quote>There is information on all 3 protesters that were shot. All parties had criminal backgrounds. Not saying it's relevant or anything, but I do believe the felon with the handgun will be charged. That's why I responded to your post, because I know you said you don't believe any of the protesters were charged (although I don't think he was charged yet). </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
InfinityMonster 08/27/20 1:50:28 PM #209:	lordofmud posted... So, a couple things... The kids had a firearm. He was underage. That is a felony. When the kid got out of the car in Wisconsin he was breaking both state and federal laws. Just by standing there. Unless he throws that gun away he is in the commission of a felony, just doing nothing. Just standing on the street, he's in violation. Anything that happens after that can no way attach to the defense of self defense. In other words. If a protester directly threatened the kids life that person could be arrested but it in no way provides a defence for a person in the commission of a felony to commit another felony. So if the kid now raises his weapon and shoots the protester he would be charged with felonious assault. The protestor would also be charged with assault by threat. Just curious, is this based off relevant local laws or your understanding? Just asking because in NY, self defense still applies whether the gun is legal or illegal. You get charged with the illegal possession. hockeybub89 posted... Are we allowed to victim blame a self-defense shooter who came from several states over with an illegal gun just to stir shit? Just wanted to clear up that Kenosha is only 20 minutes from where he lived in Illinois. It's less than traveling around within NYC or Atlanta. --- "It lies between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge" <cite>InfinityMonster posted [p:943890005] in Literally ... [t:78937047]...</cite> <quote>lordofmud posted... </cite> <quote>So, a couple things... The kids had a firearm. He was underage. That is a felony. When the kid got out of the car in Wisconsin he was breaking both state and federal laws. Just by standing there. Unless he throws that gun away he is in the commission of a felony, just doing nothing. Just standing on the street, he's in violation. Anything that happens after that can no way attach to the defense of self defense. In other words. If a protester directly threatened the kids life that person could be arrested but it in no way provides a defence for a person in the commission of a felony to commit another felony. So if the kid now raises his weapon and shoots the protester he would be charged with felonious assault. The protestor would also be charged with assault by threat.</quote>Just curious, is this based off relevant local laws or your understanding? Just asking because in NY, self defense still applies whether the gun is legal or illegal. You get charged with the illegal possession. hockeybub89 posted... </cite> <quote>Are we allowed to victim blame a self-defense shooter who came from several states over with an illegal gun just to stir shit?</quote>Just wanted to clear up that Kenosha is only 20 minutes from where he lived in Illinois. It's less than traveling around within NYC or Atlanta. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lordofmud 08/27/20 1:52:46 PM #210:	So the reason im confident in what im saying is that im a criminal who is under disability because of felonies. If someone breaks into my house and a gun magically appeared in my hand and I shot him I get charged with... Possession of a weapon under disability. Assault with a deadly weapon (gun spec) Murder (not manslaughter) (gun spec) if the guy dies Nothing I do changes those charges. Funny thing is that if I pick up a crossbow and walking dead him I get no charges. --- I know, indeed, the evil of that I purpose; but my inclination gets the better of my judgment. - Euripides <cite>lordofmud posted [p:943890091] in Literally ... [t:78937047]...</cite> <quote>So the reason im confident in what im saying is that im a criminal who is under disability because of felonies. If someone breaks into my house and a gun magically appeared in my hand and I shot him I get charged with... Possession of a weapon under disability. Assault with a deadly weapon (gun spec) Murder (not manslaughter) (gun spec) if the guy dies Nothing I do changes those charges. Funny thing is that if I pick up a crossbow and walking dead him I get no charges. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Ayatollah C 08/27/20 1:52:51 PM #211:	Does America realise how fucking nuts it is? People shooting each other in the street and you turn it into high school debating class. --- It made more sense in my head I don't know <cite>The Ayatollah C posted [p:943890098] in Literally ... [t:78937047]...</cite> <quote>Does America realise how fucking nuts it is? People shooting each other in the street and you turn it into high school debating class. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Trent 08/27/20 1:53:52 PM #212:	The Ayatollah C posted... Does America realise how fucking nuts it is? People shooting each other in the street and you turn it into high school debating class. Most of us do crump. Its awesome, right? --- i'm Trent B and i get respect your cash and your jewelry is what i expect <cite>The Trent posted [p:943890128] in Literally ... [t:78937047]...</cite> <quote>The Ayatollah C posted... </cite> <quote>Does America realise how fucking nuts it is? People shooting each other in the street and you turn it into high school debating class.</quote> Most of us do crump. Its awesome, right? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lordofmud 08/27/20 1:55:39 PM #213:	InfinityMonster posted... Just curious, is this based off relevant local laws or your understanding? Just asking because in NY, self defense still applies whether the gun is legal or illegal. You get charged with the illegal possession. Just wanted to clear up that Kenosha is only 20 minutes from where he lived in Illinois. It's less than traveling around within NYC or Atlanta. In Ohio you get the full ride if you're a felon and you use a forbidden weapon to "defend" yourself (unless it's some crazy movie situation where I wrestle the gun away from him) Distance doesn't matter. State line matters. Cross a state line in the commission of a felony and it becomes federal. Will the feds pick it up? No idea. I was never charged with federal crimes. --- I know, indeed, the evil of that I purpose; but my inclination gets the better of my judgment. - Euripides <cite>lordofmud posted [p:943890197] in Literally ... [t:78937047]...</cite> <quote>InfinityMonster posted... </cite> <quote>Just curious, is this based off relevant local laws or your understanding? Just asking because in NY, self defense still applies whether the gun is legal or illegal. You get charged with the illegal possession. Just wanted to clear up that Kenosha is only 20 minutes from where he lived in Illinois. It's less than traveling around within NYC or Atlanta.</quote>In Ohio you get the full ride if you're a felon and you use a forbidden weapon to "defend" yourself (unless it's some crazy movie situation where I wrestle the gun away from him) Distance doesn't matter. State line matters. Cross a state line in the commission of a felony and it becomes federal. Will the feds pick it up? No idea. I was never charged with federal crimes. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Ayatollah C 08/27/20 1:56:04 PM #214:	The Trent posted... Most of us do crump. Its awesome, right? Yeah, good to watch --- It made more sense in my head I don't know <cite>The Ayatollah C posted [p:943890217] in Literally ... [t:78937047]...</cite> <quote>The Trent posted... </cite> <quote>Most of us do crump. Its awesome, right?</quote> Yeah, good to watch </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AceBoogie 08/27/20 1:57:20 PM #215:	InfinityMonster posted... Just curious, is this based off relevant local laws or your understanding? Just asking because in NY, self defense still applies whether the gun is legal or illegal. You get charged with the illegal possession. Just wanted to clear up that Kenosha is only 20 minutes from where he lived in Illinois. It's less than traveling around within NYC or Atlanta. Distance is irrelevant. He still crossed state lines. Twice. <cite>AceBoogie posted [p:943890263] in Literally ... [t:78937047]...</cite> <quote>InfinityMonster posted... </cite> <quote>Just curious, is this based off relevant local laws or your understanding? Just asking because in NY, self defense still applies whether the gun is legal or illegal. You get charged with the illegal possession. Just wanted to clear up that Kenosha is only 20 minutes from where he lived in Illinois. It's less than traveling around within NYC or Atlanta.</quote>Distance is irrelevant. He still crossed state lines. Twice. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lyrica 08/27/20 1:58:50 PM #216:	lordofmud posted... So the reason im confident in what im saying is that im a criminal who is under disability because of felonies. If someone breaks into my house and a gun magically appeared in my hand and I shot him I get charged with... Possession of a weapon under disability. Assault with a deadly weapon (gun spec) Murder (not manslaughter) (gun spec) if the guy dies Nothing I do changes those charges. Funny thing is that if I pick up a crossbow and walking dead him I get no charges. That is crazy. So basically you're left with no choice but to get harmed if an armed person breaks into your house. <cite>Lyrica posted [p:943890311] in Literally ... [t:78937047]...</cite> <quote>lordofmud posted... </cite> <quote>So the reason im confident in what im saying is that im a criminal who is under disability because of felonies. If someone breaks into my house and a gun magically appeared in my hand and I shot him I get charged with... Possession of a weapon under disability. Assault with a deadly weapon (gun spec) Murder (not manslaughter) (gun spec) if the guy dies Nothing I do changes those charges. Funny thing is that if I pick up a crossbow and walking dead him I get no charges.</quote>That is crazy. So basically you're left with no choice but to get harmed if an armed person breaks into your house. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lordofmud 08/27/20 2:02:46 PM #217:	Lyrica posted... That is crazy. So basically you're left with no choice but to get harmed if an armed person breaks into your house. No, I can use a bat or a knife or a crossbow --- I know, indeed, the evil of that I purpose; but my inclination gets the better of my judgment. - Euripides <cite>lordofmud posted [p:943890463] in Literally ... [t:78937047]...</cite> <quote>Lyrica posted... </cite> <quote>That is crazy. So basically you're left with no choice but to get harmed if an armed person breaks into your house.</quote> No, I can use a bat or a knife or a crossbow </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
InfinityMonster 08/27/20 2:03:16 PM #218:	lordofmud posted... In Ohio you get the full ride if you're a felon and you use a forbidden weapon to "defend" yourself (unless it's some crazy movie situation where I wrestle the gun away from him) Oh ok, because it doesn't seem WI and IL have the same limitations as Ohio from looking so far. They're saying what will get him is if he brandished the weapon and threatened anybody. Not really because he was in illegal possession across state lines. lordofmud posted... Distance doesn't matter. State line matters. Cross a state line in the commission of a felony and it becomes federal. Will the feds pick it up? No idea. I was never charged with federal crimes. AceBoogie posted... Distance is irrelevant. He still crossed state lines. Twice. Yes, I'm aware and wasn't arguing that. Hockey said he drove over from several states away and I was just correcting that. Also many see crossing states as unusual, so I was just poiting out it's like going from The Bronx to downtown Manhattan or going from Manhattan to Jersey City, which is like 10 minutes, but is crossing state lines. --- "It lies between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge" <cite>InfinityMonster posted [p:943890480] in Literally ... [t:78937047]...</cite> <quote>lordofmud posted... </cite> <quote>In Ohio you get the full ride if you're a felon and you use a forbidden weapon to "defend" yourself (unless it's some crazy movie situation where I wrestle the gun away from him)</quote>Oh ok, because it doesn't seem WI and IL have the same limitations as Ohio from looking so far. They're saying what will get him is if he brandished the weapon and threatened anybody. Not really because he was in illegal possession across state lines. lordofmud posted... </cite> <quote>Distance doesn't matter. State line matters. Cross a state line in the commission of a felony and it becomes federal. Will the feds pick it up? No idea. I was never charged with federal crimes.</quote> AceBoogie posted... </cite> <quote>Distance is irrelevant. He still crossed state lines. Twice.</quote>Yes, I'm aware and wasn't arguing that. Hockey said he drove over from several states away and I was just correcting that. Also many see crossing states as unusual, so I was just poiting out it's like going from The Bronx to downtown Manhattan or going from Manhattan to Jersey City, which is like 10 minutes, but is crossing state lines. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scorpion41 08/27/20 2:04:06 PM #219:	lordofmud posted... No, I can use a bat or a knife or a crossbow Of course, give the assailants a chance at getting at you. Equal opportunity... --- PSN: scorpion_4160 Currently Playing: NCAA 14(PS3) <cite>scorpion41 posted [p:943890518] in Literally ... [t:78937047]...</cite> <quote>lordofmud posted... </cite> <quote>No, I can use a bat or a knife or a crossbow</quote> Of course, give the assailants a chance at getting at you. Equal opportunity... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ekie 08/27/20 2:07:01 PM #220:	Blue_School posted... Awesome so we agree he was there for the purpose of protecting business owners property and not "looking for trouble." Blue_School posted... Awesome so we agree he was there for the purpose of protecting business owners property and not "looking for trouble. that purpose doesn't hold up in court because he's not a cop. Making stupid argument about why he was there with an illegal firearm some out-of-state shooting at people doesn't matter. He's not a security guard. He's not a cop. He's not lawfully authorized to quote protect anybody's ish. instead of arguing with these people we should start blocking them and letting them talk amongst themselves --- ALL HAIL LORD DUNCAN! https://imgur.com/vsYREtU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZc3uq56JKU <cite>ekie posted [p:943890619] in Literally ... [t:78937047]...</cite> <quote>Blue_School posted... </cite> <quote>Awesome so we agree he was there for the purpose of protecting business owners property and not "looking for trouble."</quote> Blue_School posted... </cite> <quote>Awesome so we agree he was there for the purpose of protecting business owners property and not "looking for trouble.</quote> that purpose doesn't hold up in court because he's not a cop. Making stupid argument about why he was there with an illegal firearm some out-of-state shooting at people doesn't matter. He's not a security guard. He's not a cop. He's not lawfully authorized to quote protect anybody's ish. instead of arguing with these people we should start blocking them and letting them talk amongst themselves </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StarReaper13 08/27/20 2:11:32 PM #221:	ekie posted... that purpose doesn't hold up in court because he's not a cop. Making stupid argument about why he was there with an illegal firearm some out-of-state shooting at people doesn't matter. He's not a security guard. He's not a cop. He's not lawfully authorized to quote protect anybody's ish. instead of arguing with these people we should start blocking them and letting them talk amongst themselves This is true. It sorta makes it sound like he took the law into his own hands which is also illegal afaik. Vigilantism and all that. --- Ignore when people say that the title length is not important, that a title should just convey what the game is about. They're just jealous theirs isn't as long <cite>StarReaper13 posted [p:943890767] in Literally ... [t:78937047]...</cite> <quote>ekie posted... </cite> <quote>that purpose doesn't hold up in court because he's not a cop. Making stupid argument about why he was there with an illegal firearm some out-of-state shooting at people doesn't matter. He's not a security guard. He's not a cop. He's not lawfully authorized to quote protect anybody's ish. instead of arguing with these people we should start blocking them and letting them talk amongst themselves</quote>This is true. It sorta makes it sound like he took the law into his own hands which is also illegal afaik. Vigilantism and all that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
realnifty1 08/27/20 2:42:20 PM #222:	In most states, but don't want to go look up for WI, you are unable to claim self defense if you committed an illegal action leading to the incident in which you are trying to claim self defense. Brandishing an illegal firearm seems like in most states it would prevent him from claiming self defense. <cite>realnifty1 posted [p:943891901] in Literally ... [t:78937047]...</cite> <quote>In most states, but don't want to go look up for WI, you are unable to claim self defense if you committed an illegal action leading to the incident in which you are trying to claim self defense. Brandishing an illegal firearm seems like in most states it would prevent him from claiming self defense. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
YellowMustard69 08/27/20 2:44:33 PM #223:	realnifty1 posted... In most states, but don't want to go look up for WI, you are unable to claim self defense if you committed an illegal action leading to the incident in which you are trying to claim self defense. Brandishing an illegal firearm seems like in most states it would prevent him from claiming self defense. That's only if the illegal action itself played into why they were attacked. <cite>YellowMustard69 posted [p:943891981] in Literally ... [t:78937047]...</cite> <quote>realnifty1 posted... </cite> <quote>In most states, but don't want to go look up for WI, you are unable to claim self defense if you committed an illegal action leading to the incident in which you are trying to claim self defense. Brandishing an illegal firearm seems like in most states it would prevent him from claiming self defense.</quote> That's only if the illegal action itself played into why they were attacked. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
realnifty1 08/27/20 2:50:55 PM #224:	YellowMustard69 posted... That's only if the illegal action itself played into why they were attacked. So you don't believe that him threatening them with a firearm led to the confrontation? They just randomly decided to go after a guy with a gun and not because they were in fear for their lives, clearly they needed to be? Shit, I got some beachfront property in Kansas at a sweet price if you think that. <cite>realnifty1 posted [p:943892214] in Literally ... [t:78937047]...</cite> <quote>YellowMustard69 posted... </cite> <quote>That's only if the illegal action itself played into why they were attacked.</quote> So you don't believe that him threatening them with a firearm led to the confrontation? They just randomly decided to go after a guy with a gun and not because they were in fear for their lives, clearly they needed to be? Shit, I got some beachfront property in Kansas at a sweet price if you think that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
YellowMustard69 08/27/20 2:54:25 PM #225:	realnifty1 posted... So you don't believe that him threatening them with a firearm led to the confrontation? They just randomly decided to go after a guy with a gun and not because they were in fear for their lives, clearly they needed to be? Shit, I got some beachfront property in Kansas at a sweet price if you think that. I guess I must have missed the part where we can clearly see what happened that led to the first shooting. <cite>YellowMustard69 posted [p:943892344] in Literally ... [t:78937047]...</cite> <quote>realnifty1 posted... </cite> <quote>So you don't believe that him threatening them with a firearm led to the confrontation? They just randomly decided to go after a guy with a gun and not because they were in fear for their lives, clearly they needed to be? Shit, I got some beachfront property in Kansas at a sweet price if you think that.</quote> I guess I must have missed the part where we can clearly see what happened that led to the first shooting. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mark_DeRosa 08/27/20 2:56:20 PM #226:	Jiggy101011 posted... is TC the cop guy? Can't keep up with the alts he goes through. If youre referencing me for some reason, I have one alt lol. Idk why you lying --- Steve Nash \| 13\| Phoenix Suns \| PPG: 16.9 \| RPG: 3.60 \| APG 11.3 \| EFF: +22.96 http://www.gifsoup.com/view3/2283379/dance-o.gif <cite>Mark_DeRosa posted [p:943892424] in Literally ... [t:78937047]...</cite> <quote>Jiggy101011 posted... </cite> <quote>is TC the cop guy? Can't keep up with the alts he goes through.</quote>If youre referencing me for some reason, I have one alt lol. Idk why you lying </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EbonTitanium 08/27/20 3:05:42 PM #227:	People on this board believe that you can go pick a fight, then claim self defense if you are getting your ass kicked? --- I don't know which is worse: fanboys or elitist. <cite>EbonTitanium posted [p:943892779] in Literally ... [t:78937047]...</cite> <quote>People on this board believe that you can go pick a fight, then claim self defense if you are getting your ass kicked? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
King_Hutton 08/27/20 3:06:51 PM #228:	EbonTitanium posted... People on this board believe that you can go pick a fight, then claim self defense if you are getting your ass kicked? Worked for Zimmerman --- All hail King Hutton Official Carter Hutton fanboy <cite>King_Hutton posted [p:943892815] in Literally ... [t:78937047]...</cite> <quote>EbonTitanium posted... </cite> <quote>People on this board believe that you can go pick a fight, then claim self defense if you are getting your ass kicked?</quote>Worked for Zimmerman </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EbonTitanium 08/27/20 3:08:55 PM #229:	King_Hutton posted... Worked for Zimmerman True. --- I don't know which is worse: fanboys or elitist. <cite>EbonTitanium posted [p:943892878] in Literally ... [t:78937047]...</cite> <quote>King_Hutton posted... </cite> <quote>Worked for Zimmerman</quote>True. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ving_Rhames 08/27/20 3:15:25 PM #230:	EbonTitanium posted... People on this board believe that you can go pick a fight, then claim self defense if you are getting your ass kicked? Just look at the thread about the racist who got beat up on a Train lol --- the real Irving Rameses https://imgur.com/A7f6F9h <cite>Ving_Rhames posted [p:943893125] in Literally ... [t:78937047]...</cite> <quote>EbonTitanium posted... </cite> <quote>People on this board believe that you can go pick a fight, then claim self defense if you are getting your ass kicked?</quote> Just look at the thread about the racist who got beat up on a Train lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Slaya4 08/27/20 3:21:54 PM #231:	So kid illegally has a firearm, crossed state lines in to attend a protest to "protect" an already burned down building, kills someone prior and then runs away when people are trying to disarm this kid and kills the person trying to disarm him. Fuck this kid he's a piece of shit and needs to be charged with murder. Literally instigated the entire thing. Charge the person that took him there in the first place with child abuse too. --- Am I going too hard? <cite>Slaya4 posted [p:943893363] in Literally ... [t:78937047]...</cite> <quote>So kid illegally has a firearm, crossed state lines in to attend a protest to "protect" an already burned down building, kills someone prior and then runs away when people are trying to disarm this kid and kills the person trying to disarm him. Fuck this kid he's a piece of shit and needs to be charged with murder. Literally instigated the entire thing. Charge the person that took him there in the first place with child abuse too. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
STEROLIZER 08/27/20 3:46:02 PM #232:	Eh, he was running around protestors waving a gun around. He was asking for it. This is like antagonizing a lion from a safari jeep. Eventually the lion will attack, and you'll have to shoot it. It'll be self defense, but the lion never would have attacked in the first place if you weren't being a jackass. --- ---./\|,-``\(o)_\,----,,,_........................Love is like a bottle of gin ---( `\(o),,_/` : o : : :o `-,..............But a bottle of gin is not like love. <cite>STEROLIZER posted [p:943894321] in Literally ... [t:78937047]...</cite> <quote>Eh, he was running around protestors waving a gun around. He was asking for it. This is like antagonizing a lion from a safari jeep. Eventually the lion will attack, and you'll have to shoot it. It'll be self defense, but the lion never would have attacked in the first place if you weren't being a jackass. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pogo_Marimo 08/27/20 3:59:23 PM #233:	Again, this needs to be stated. THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT HE INTIMIDATED OR ASSAULTED ANYONE PRIOR TO THE FIRST VIDEO WHERE HE WAS BEING CHASED. Go read the NYT article if you haven't. Stop being ignorant. This is a complicated case. Give it the attention it deserves. --- 'Cause you know that I have no fear, ain't gonna walk into the river and disappear. I'm gonna be a powerful man. Red blood running down the broken sand. <cite>Pogo_Marimo posted [p:943894876] in Literally ... [t:78937047]...</cite> <quote>Again, this needs to be stated. THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT HE INTIMIDATED OR ASSAULTED ANYONE PRIOR TO THE FIRST VIDEO WHERE HE WAS BEING CHASED. Go read the NYT article if you haven't. Stop being ignorant. This is a complicated case. Give it the attention it deserves. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lyrica 08/27/20 4:05:50 PM #234:	Slaya4 posted... kills someone prior and then runs away I don't think this is accurate. The first video shows him running away from the first person he ends up shooting. We don't know what happened prior to that or why the guy was chasing him. <cite>Lyrica posted [p:943895146] in Literally ... [t:78937047]...</cite> <quote>Slaya4 posted... </cite> <quote>kills someone prior and then runs away</quote>I don't think this is accurate. The first video shows him running away from the first person he ends up shooting. We don't know what happened prior to that or why the guy was chasing him. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BeyondWalls 08/27/20 4:11:13 PM #235:	Slaya4 posted... So kid illegally has a firearm, crossed state lines in to attend a protest to "protect" an already burned down building, kills someone prior and then runs away when people are trying to disarm this kid and kills the person trying to disarm him. But... but... self defense! --- END OF LINE <cite>BeyondWalls posted [p:943895384] in Literally ... [t:78937047]...</cite> <quote>Slaya4 posted... </cite> <quote>So kid illegally has a firearm, crossed state lines in to attend a protest to "protect" an already burned down building, kills someone prior and then runs away when people are trying to disarm this kid and kills the person trying to disarm him.</quote>But... but... self defense! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pogo_Marimo 08/27/20 4:11:43 PM #236:	Lyrica posted... I don't think this is accurate. The first video shows him running away from the first person he ends up shooting. We don't know what happened prior to that or why the guy was chasing him. I'm pretty sure most people commenting on this have not even reviewed the coverage and videos of the incident, they've just made up their mind based on how they want to feel. --- 'Cause you know that I have no fear, ain't gonna walk into the river and disappear. I'm gonna be a powerful man. Red blood running down the broken sand. <cite>Pogo_Marimo posted [p:943895401] in Literally ... [t:78937047]...</cite> <quote>Lyrica posted... </cite> <quote>I don't think this is accurate. The first video shows him running away from the first person he ends up shooting. We don't know what happened prior to that or why the guy was chasing him.</quote>I'm pretty sure most people commenting on this have not even reviewed the coverage and videos of the incident, they've just made up their mind based on how they want to feel. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bover_87 08/27/20 4:30:42 PM #237:	Something that hasn't been brought up yet is that if the fucker wants to use self defense as a defense in court, he needs to not only prove he was in grave danger but also that retreat was not an option (WI requires one to retreat in public if safe to do so--it's not a stand your ground state). It's likely that the police have access to witnesses and video we don't, but even setting aside the question of whether illegally carrying the firearm automatically negates self defense, he's going to have a hell of time trying to convince a jury of that defense, especially given he was clearly intending to pick a fight. That's in addition to the fact that if he provoked whatever he was supposedly defending against (pointed the gun at someone, said something threatening, etc.) it's game over. --- I...I shall consume. Consume...consume everything. ~ [FFRK] rcr6 - Arbiter's Tome/Forbidden Power/Divine Veil Grimoire <cite>bover_87 posted [p:943896166] in Literally ... [t:78937047]...</cite> <quote>Something that hasn't been brought up yet is that if the fucker wants to use self defense as a defense in court, he needs to not only prove he was in grave danger but also that retreat was not an option (WI requires one to retreat in public if safe to do so--it's not a stand your ground state). It's likely that the police have access to witnesses and video we don't, but even setting aside the question of whether illegally carrying the firearm automatically negates self defense, he's going to have a hell of time trying to convince a jury of that defense, especially given he was clearly intending to pick a fight. That's in addition to the fact that if he provoked whatever he was supposedly defending against (pointed the gun at someone, said something threatening, etc.) it's game over.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 08/27/20 4:35:25 PM #238:	bover_87 posted... Something that hasn't been brought up yet is that if the fucker wants to use self defense as a defense in court, he needs to not only prove he was in grave danger but also that retreat was not an option (WI requires one to retreat in public if safe to do so--it's not a stand your ground state). It's likely that the police have access to witnesses and video we don't, but even setting aside the question of whether illegally carrying the firearm automatically negates self defense, he's going to have a hell of time trying to convince a jury of that defense, especially given he was clearly intending to pick a fight. That's in addition to the fact that if he provoked whatever he was supposedly defending against (pointed the gun at someone, said something threatening, etc.) it's game over. Maybe you need to go read that NYT threat, because he was actively fleeing prior to taking any shots and only shot the first person after being knocked down and someone in the mob firing their own gun into the air. That would be why it hasn't been brought up. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:943896368] in Literally ... [t:78937047]...</cite> <quote>bover_87 posted... </cite> <quote>Something that hasn't been brought up yet is that if the fucker wants to use self defense as a defense in court, he needs to not only prove he was in grave danger but also that retreat was not an option (WI requires one to retreat in public if safe to do so--it's not a stand your ground state). It's likely that the police have access to witnesses and video we don't, but even setting aside the question of whether illegally carrying the firearm automatically negates self defense, he's going to have a hell of time trying to convince a jury of that defense, especially given he was clearly intending to pick a fight. That's in addition to the fact that if he provoked whatever he was supposedly defending against (pointed the gun at someone, said something threatening, etc.) it's game over.</quote> Maybe you need to go read that NYT threat, because he was actively fleeing prior to taking any shots and only shot the first person after being knocked down and someone in the mob firing their own gun into the air. That would be why it hasn't been brought up. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
YellowMustard69 08/27/20 4:58:29 PM #239:	STEROLIZER posted... Eh, he was running around protestors waving a gun around. He was asking for it. This is like antagonizing a lion from a safari jeep. Eventually the lion will attack, and you'll have to shoot it. It'll be self defense, but the lion never would have attacked in the first place if you weren't being a jackass. You are right to a certain point. He's stirring the pot a bit by being there. But anti protesters are allowed to be where protesters are. A couple months ago a guy from NM was an anti protestor at a statue thing. He wound up dragging a woman protester to the ground by her hair. As a result, he got chased. He fled. The chasers caught up to him and attacked him with a skateboard and another pulled out knives. The guy shot the knife guy, and was initially charged with attempted murder or something, but the charges were dropped once the video showing he was being attacked while fleeing surfaced. It didn't matter that he was an anti protester carrying a gun into the lions cage. It didn't matter that he did something that made people want to chase him. The reality is that he fled, and therefore he is no longer a threat, and therefore use of deadly force against him is illegal. If something similar to that happened with Rittenhouse leading to him shooting the very first guy (the one with unclear footage), for example if he was being chased and threatened with deadly force, and evidence of that surfaces, they will probably drop any violent crime charges against him. <cite>YellowMustard69 posted [p:943897306] in Literally ... [t:78937047]...</cite> <quote>STEROLIZER posted... </cite> <quote>Eh, he was running around protestors waving a gun around. He was asking for it. This is like antagonizing a lion from a safari jeep. Eventually the lion will attack, and you'll have to shoot it. It'll be self defense, but the lion never would have attacked in the first place if you weren't being a jackass.</quote> You are right to a certain point. He's stirring the pot a bit by being there. But anti protesters are allowed to be where protesters are. A couple months ago a guy from NM was an anti protestor at a statue thing. He wound up dragging a woman protester to the ground by her hair. As a result, he got chased. He fled. The chasers caught up to him and attacked him with a skateboard and another pulled out knives. The guy shot the knife guy, and was initially charged with attempted murder or something, but the charges were dropped once the video showing he was being attacked while fleeing surfaced. It didn't matter that he was an anti protester carrying a gun into the lions cage. It didn't matter that he did something that made people want to chase him. The reality is that he fled, and therefore he is no longer a threat, and therefore use of deadly force against him is illegal. If something similar to that happened with Rittenhouse leading to him shooting the very first guy (the one with unclear footage), for example if he was being chased and threatened with deadly force, and evidence of that surfaces, they will probably drop any violent crime charges against him. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lyrica 08/27/20 5:19:04 PM #240:	bover_87 posted... Something that hasn't been brought up yet is that if the fucker wants to use self defense as a defense in court, he needs to not only prove he was in grave danger but also that retreat was not an option (WI requires one to retreat in public if safe to do so--it's not a stand your ground state). It's likely that the police have access to witnesses and video we don't, but even setting aside the question of whether illegally carrying the firearm automatically negates self defense, he's going to have a hell of time trying to convince a jury of that defense, especially given he was clearly intending to pick a fight. That's in addition to the fact that if he provoked whatever he was supposedly defending against (pointed the gun at someone, said something threatening, etc.) it's game over. He was running away while being chased and getting objects thrown at him. He was bashed in the head with a skateboard while another guy ran up to him aiming a handgun. <cite>Lyrica posted [p:943898102] in Literally ... [t:78937047]...</cite> <quote>bover_87 posted... </cite> <quote>Something that hasn't been brought up yet is that if the fucker wants to use self defense as a defense in court, he needs to not only prove he was in grave danger but also that retreat was not an option (WI requires one to retreat in public if safe to do so--it's not a stand your ground state). It's likely that the police have access to witnesses and video we don't, but even setting aside the question of whether illegally carrying the firearm automatically negates self defense, he's going to have a hell of time trying to convince a jury of that defense, especially given he was clearly intending to pick a fight. That's in addition to the fact that if he provoked whatever he was supposedly defending against (pointed the gun at someone, said something threatening, etc.) it's game over.</quote>He was running away while being chased and getting objects thrown at him. He was bashed in the head with a skateboard while another guy ran up to him aiming a handgun. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark_SilverX 08/27/20 5:20:06 PM #241:	Does that State have a Stand Yo Ground Law? --- Mitch McConnell is a very beautiful man. Respect. don't compare games to feces -- if you've an opinion worth mentioning, do so civilly <cite>Dark_SilverX posted [p:943898149] in Literally ... [t:78937047]...</cite> <quote>Does that State have a Stand Yo Ground Law? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 08/27/20 5:21:50 PM #242:	Dark_SilverX posted... Does that State have a Stand Yo Ground Law? No he's fucked. Lyrica posted... He was running away while being chased and getting objects thrown at him. He was bashed in the head with a skateboard while another guy ran up to him aiming a handgun. Y'all understand you don't get to cause a problem and then claim self defense of the problem you created, right? It worked for Zimmerman because of SYG. That doesn't apply here. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:943898214] in Literally ... [t:78937047]...</cite> <quote>Dark_SilverX posted... </cite> <quote>Does that State have a Stand Yo Ground Law?</quote> No he's fucked. Lyrica posted... </cite> <quote>He was running away while being chased and getting objects thrown at him. He was bashed in the head with a skateboard while another guy ran up to him aiming a handgun.</quote> Y'all understand you don't get to cause a problem and then claim self defense of the problem you created, right? It worked for Zimmerman because of SYG. That doesn't apply here. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lyrica 08/27/20 5:28:26 PM #243:	Tyranthraxus posted... Y'all understand you don't get to cause a problem and then claim self defense of the problem you created, right? It worked for Zimmerman because of SYG. That doesn't apply here. What problem did he cause? We don't know why the first guy was even chasing him, and we have video of the first guy being threatening before the shooting, saying "shoot me n**. I dare you" to a crowd of people with rifles. It seems like he was the one causing the problem. https://mobile.twitter.com/Julio_Rosas11/status/1298474730966659072 <cite>Lyrica posted [p:943898482] in Literally ... [t:78937047]...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted... </cite> <quote>Y'all understand you don't get to cause a problem and then claim self defense of the problem you created, right? It worked for Zimmerman because of SYG. That doesn't apply here.</quote>What problem did he cause? We don't know why the first guy was even chasing him, and we have video of the first guy being threatening before the shooting, saying "shoot me n**. I dare you" to a crowd of people with rifles. It seems like he was the one causing the problem. https://mobile.twitter.com/Julio_Rosas11/status/1298474730966659072 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
YellowMustard69 08/27/20 5:31:38 PM #244:	It doesn't matter if you caused a problem if you're fleeing. If Rittenhouse was being attacked or threatened with deadly force while fleeing, then he has a right to defend himself even if he caused a problem that influenced them to chase him. For example, if I shove a protester, then the protester and others around them can use reasonable force to get me to leave them alone and respect their space. If in response to that I use force again, that's not allowed, and I'd be rightfully punished. However if I shove a protester and then turn around and run, the protester is not allowed to chase me and then use force against me, because there's no reason to since I've left the area and am no longer a problem to them. Stand your ground laws only pertain to whether a person has a duty to flee or not. So if he was fleeing, stand your ground doesn't even come into play. <cite>YellowMustard69 posted [p:943898621] in Literally ... [t:78937047]...</cite> <quote>It doesn't matter if you caused a problem if you're fleeing. If Rittenhouse was being attacked or threatened with deadly force while fleeing, then he has a right to defend himself even if he caused a problem that influenced them to chase him. For example, if I shove a protester, then the protester and others around them can use reasonable force to get me to leave them alone and respect their space. If in response to that I use force again, that's not allowed, and I'd be rightfully punished. However if I shove a protester and then turn around and run, the protester is not allowed to chase me and then use force against me, because there's no reason to since I've left the area and am no longer a problem to them. Stand your ground laws only pertain to whether a person has a duty to flee or not. So if he was fleeing, stand your ground doesn't even come into play. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Alexanaxela 08/27/20 5:31:54 PM #245:	didnt read entire topic! So the official story is some unarmed people all singled out a guy with a fucking assault rifle hanging around his neck and started running to attack him for no raisin? --- Tomorrow will be the most beautiful day of Raymond K. Hessel's life. His breakfast will taste better than any meal you and I have ever tasted. <cite>Alexanaxela posted [p:943898636] in Literally ... [t:78937047]...</cite> <quote>didnt read entire topic! So the official story is some unarmed people all singled out a guy with a fucking assault rifle hanging around his neck and started running to attack him for no raisin?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightningAce11 08/27/20 5:33:21 PM #246:	Kid drove across state lines with the sole intent of murdering people and got praised by cops. Ah, to be a white man in America. Everything goes your way. --- I want you to grab your nuts. Grab your balls. I want you to take a handful, and just grab your nuts real quick. Swivel 'em around in a circular motion. -LTG <cite>LightningAce11 posted [p:943898691] in Literally ... [t:78937047]...</cite> <quote>Kid drove across state lines with the sole intent of murdering people and got praised by cops. Ah, to be a white man in America. Everything goes your way.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
YellowMustard69 08/27/20 5:34:17 PM #247:	LightningAce11 posted... Kid drove across state lines with the sole intent of murdering people and got praised by cops. Citation? <cite>YellowMustard69 posted [p:943898721] in Literally ... [t:78937047]...</cite> <quote>LightningAce11 posted... </cite> <quote>Kid drove across state lines with the sole intent of murdering people and got praised by cops. </quote> Citation? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 08/27/20 5:34:20 PM #248:	LightningAce11 posted... Kid drove across state lines with the sole intent of murdering people and got praised by cops. Ah, to be a white man in America. Everything goes your way. Don't forget he also has an army of keyboard warriors defending his actions. --- https://imgur.com/BBcZDLJ <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:943898722] in Literally ... [t:78937047]...</cite> <quote>LightningAce11 posted... </cite> <quote>Kid drove across state lines with the sole intent of murdering people and got praised by cops. Ah, to be a white man in America. Everything goes your way.</quote> Don't forget he also has an army of keyboard warriors defending his actions. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KTG2 08/27/20 6:00:47 PM #249:	Good thing he didn't do anything heinous like walk away from the police, he just checks notes crossed a state line with a firearm he wasn't old enough to own with the intent to enact vigilante justice and then killed two people and maimed another before fleeing the scene --- Just realized I hadn't changed this since December 2017 - Changed 7/25/19 <cite>KTG2 posted [p:943899778] in Literally ... [t:78937047]...</cite> <quote>Good thing he didn't do anything heinous like walk away from the police, he just checks notes crossed a state line with a firearm he wasn't old enough to own with the intent to enact vigilante justice and then killed two people and maimed another before fleeing the scene </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suchomimus 08/27/20 6:05:04 PM #250:	Lyrica posted... I don't think this is accurate. The first video shows him running away from the first person he ends up shooting. We don't know what happened prior to that or why the guy was chasing him. The same guy can be seen being very belligerent and screaming at the armed civilians Shoot me n** about half an hour prior to himself chasing the kid and being shot. --- I'm a peasant. <cite>Suchomimus posted [p:943899937] in Literally ... [t:78937047]...</cite> <quote>Lyrica posted... </cite> <quote>I don't think this is accurate. The first video shows him running away from the first person he ends up shooting. We don't know what happened prior to that or why the guy was chasing him.</quote>The same guy can be seen being very belligerent and screaming at the armed civilians Shoot me n** about half an hour prior to himself chasing the kid and being shot. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZMythos 08/27/20 6:09:02 PM #251:	Things Kyle Rittenhouse is: Terrorist Murderer Criminal Things Kyle Rittenhouse is not: Hero Defender Victim Innocent --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: kissu <cite>ZMythos posted [p:943900108] in Literally ... [t:78937047]...</cite> <quote>Things Kyle Rittenhouse is: Terrorist Murderer Criminal Things Kyle Rittenhouse is not: Hero Defender Victim Innocent </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
YellowMustard69 08/27/20 6:13:17 PM #252:	KTG2 posted... Good thing he didn't do anything heinous like walk away from the police, he just checks notes crossed a state line with a firearm he wasn't old enough to own with the intent to enact vigilante justice and then killed two people and maimed another before fleeing the scene You can't prove that intent. And he was fleeing or had attempted to flee. when he shot everyone <cite>YellowMustard69 posted [p:943900296] in Literally ... [t:78937047]...</cite> <quote>KTG2 posted... </cite> <quote>Good thing he didn't do anything heinous like walk away from the police, he just checks notes crossed a state line with a firearm he wasn't old enough to own with the intent to enact vigilante justice and then killed two people and maimed another before fleeing the scene</quote> You can't prove that intent. And he was fleeing or had attempted to flee. when he shot everyone </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 08/27/20 6:14:57 PM #253:	YellowMustard69 posted... You can't prove that intent Yeah, it's important to be able to prove intent the way cops proved Blake was intending to reach for a gun that didn't exist. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:943900371] in Literally ... [t:78937047]...</cite> <quote>YellowMustard69 posted... </cite> <quote>You can't prove that intent </quote> Yeah, it's important to be able to prove intent the way cops proved Blake was intending to reach for a gun that didn't exist. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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