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CommonStar
08/19/20 3:34:48 PM
#152:


Antifar posted...
Only semi-related, but maybe something to change the tenor of the topic

https://twitter.com/LindseyGrahamSC/status/1295899361080217602

Lol,
If only that were the case. I wish the Democrats were as left as the Republicans make them out to be.
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GoodOlJr
08/19/20 3:35:06 PM
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I respect it, biden is lame
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harley2280
08/19/20 3:35:56 PM
#154:


CommonStar posted...
Antifar posted...
Only semi-related, but maybe something to change the tenor of the topic

https://twitter.com/LindseyGrahamSC/status/1295899361080217602

Lol,
If only that were the case. I wish the Democrats were as left as the Republicans make them out to be.

It's not surprise Lindsey doesn't know how conventions work. He doesn't understand democracy to begin with.
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CommonStar
08/19/20 3:37:44 PM
#155:


harley2280 posted...
It's not surprise Lindsey doesn't know how conventions work. He doesn't understand democracy to begin with.
They know how things work. It just doesn't matter when the point is to cater to their base.
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CommonJoe
08/19/20 3:45:59 PM
#156:


ITT: I make a post making point A. Second poster raises point B, so I raise point C asking for proof.

I get said proof, admit I was wrong on Point C, and reiterate Point A as that had not yet been addressed.

Second poster and others start circlejerking and pretending my whole argument got proven wrong when Point C was never part of my original argument.

And now here comes more obtuse circlejerking.

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harley2280
08/19/20 3:54:56 PM
#157:


CommonJoe posted...
ITT: I make a post making point A. Second poster raises point B, so I raise point C asking for proof.

I get said proof, admit I was wrong on Point C, and reiterate Point A as that had not yet been addressed.

Second poster and others start circlejerking and pretending my whole argument got proven wrong when Point C was never part of my original argument.

And now here comes more obtuse circlejerking.

You do know it's okay to admit you didn't know how it works right?
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CommonJoe
08/19/20 4:01:36 PM
#158:


harley2280 posted...
You do know it's okay to admit you didn't know how it works right?

Except I did know how it works; what I didnt know is that was what AOC was doing, and neither did anyone else.

At this point this is just blatant gaslighting. Knock it off, address my post, or fuck off.

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SmidgeIsntBack
08/19/20 4:03:48 PM
#160:


Antifar posted...
Only semi-related, but maybe something to change the tenor of the topic

https://twitter.com/LindseyGrahamSC/status/1295899361080217602

Lol,

Not 20 minutes after the White House attacking from the left, lol.

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08/19/20 4:03:51 PM
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Tyranthraxus
08/19/20 4:06:08 PM
#162:


CommonJoe posted...
Lie of omission. Literally everyone thought she was getting an actual slot at the convention, and due to general ignorance and NBC being complicit fuckwads they just handed her future opponents an easy smear.

If it was said from the beginning she was selected to nominate Sanders all of this would have been handled already and the controversy wouldn't have even happened.

But they didnt want to let the left know she wasnt getting a real slot to speak, making the lefts issue with Kasich getting a slot even more poignant because she literally did get snubbed. If it wasn't for Sanders she wouldnt have spoke.

The post of someone who "already knew how it works"

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CommonJoe
08/19/20 4:11:05 PM
#164:


Tyranthraxus posted...
The post of someone who "already knew how it works"

ITT: Assuming, like everyone else, that X was going to occur is equivalent to not understanding how Y works.

Do you gaslighting trolls understand the problem now or are you going to just double down?

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COVxy
08/19/20 4:14:01 PM
#165:


How is commonjoe still going on?

Jfc. I'd stop responding at this point.

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Tyranthraxus
08/19/20 4:14:30 PM
#166:




Brief summary of this topic for latecomers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQo71PpuDoM

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CommonJoe
08/19/20 4:15:45 PM
#167:


COVxy posted...
How is commonjoe still going on?

Jfc. I'd stop responding at this point.

Nah. Shitposters trying to gaslight me aren't going to win that easily.

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COVxy
08/19/20 4:17:41 PM
#168:


I was referring to the people who are right, i.e. shock et al. Really everyone but you. Nobody needs to entertain you any further.

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CommonJoe
08/19/20 4:23:52 PM
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They aren't right.

CommonJoe posted...
Lie of omission. Literally everyone thought she was getting an actual slot at the convention, and due to general ignorance and NBC being complicit fuckwads they just handed her future opponents an easy smear.

If it was said from the beginning she was selected to nominate Sanders all of this would have been handled already and the controversy wouldn't have even happened.

But they didnt want to let the left know she wasnt getting a real slot to speak, making the lefts issue with Kasich getting a slot even more poignant because she literally did get snubbed. If it wasn't for Sanders she wouldnt have spoke.

The bolded is part of why this is even a controversy; nobody was talking about AOC speaking like it was a nomination, but like it was a regular speech like Kasich's or Jill's.

And as said, to dispute that means you're either full of shit and haven't paid any attention at all to people talking about this leading up to last night or you're lying.

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DrizztLink
08/19/20 4:25:22 PM
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__aCEr__
08/19/20 4:26:16 PM
#172:


"Those people aren't going to win that easily."

*starts blocking those people*

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CommonJoe
08/19/20 4:26:21 PM
#173:


DrizztLink posted...
Jesus Christ, dude.

Participate or leave. This is a discussion board.

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troll_swag
08/19/20 4:27:18 PM
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CommonJoe
08/19/20 4:27:28 PM
#175:


__aCEr__ posted...
"Those people aren't going to win that easily."

*starts blocking those people*

I see no reason to bother with someone whose insulting me.

Particularly when I dont need to be suspended again for saying things similar to what Id really like to say to you people.

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DrizztLink
08/19/20 4:28:19 PM
#177:


CommonJoe posted...
Participate or leave. This is a discussion board.
And my contribution is letting you know that you definitely aren't coming off well here, my dude.

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masterpug53
08/19/20 4:29:55 PM
#178:


shockthemonkey posted...
Joe blocked me

This is the funniest topic is a while

I hate to say it, but Joe did manage to bring it back around to 'so bad it's good' levels of humor after Antifar gave him a peach of an opportunity to bow out with what little dignity remained, yet Joe's ego wasn't having it. This is like watching an angry drunk pick a fight with the door after it hit him hard on the ass.

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CommonJoe
08/19/20 4:33:50 PM
#180:


DrizztLink posted...
And my contribution is letting you know that you definitely aren't coming off well here, my dude.

How so? Because Im not just letting these people gaslight and tell me what I did or didnt know?

They're just assuming that because they don't get that my issue with this situation, as explained, is that AOC didnt get an actual slot to speak, and that her purpose for being there last night was not just known by everybody. Still no one wants to address that AOCs speaking was not framed as a nomination.

Ive already explained the ridiculousness of how this conversation started and I am -still- waiting on someone to engage my actual words and actually discuss the issue.


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DrizztLink
08/19/20 4:35:19 PM
#181:


CommonJoe posted...
her purpose for being there last night was not just known by ME
That's the issue.

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King_Hutton
08/19/20 4:38:18 PM
#182:


I agree with Joe. The DNC should have released a schedule explaining what AOC was doing and given that to the media.

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CommonJoe
08/19/20 4:41:43 PM
#183:


DrizztLink posted...
That's the issue.

Yeah it is, because you're either completely oblivious to the discourse surrounding AOCs role up to last night or youre lying.

Heres a topic just from this site showing that:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/261-politics/78908571

Not a single word about it being for the nomination.

Heres the article that jumped off of:

https://www.businessinsider.com/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-has-one-minute-to-give-dnc-speech-2020-8?

Headline doesnt mention it, and who tf knows if it clarifies in the body as its paywalled.

And I can go digging up tweets and reddit posts too showing the same thing.

So try me again. Try and fucking gaslight me again.


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CommonJoe
08/19/20 4:42:31 PM
#184:


King_Hutton posted...
I agree with Joe. The DNC should have released a schedule explaining what AOC was doing and given that to the media.

*and the media should have reported it as part of their headlines.

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harley2280
08/19/20 4:46:11 PM
#185:


CommonJoe posted...
harley2280 posted...
You do know it's okay to admit you didn't know how it works right?

Except I did know how it works; what I didnt know is that was what AOC was doing, and neither did anyone else.

At this point this is just blatant gaslighting. Knock it off, address my post, or fuck off.

I am addressing your post. That's the reason I quoted it. It's okay man. I understand it's hard to admit you didn't know something like the basic function of our Democratic Democracy. It's a learning experience.
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King_Hutton
08/19/20 4:46:13 PM
#186:


CommonJoe posted...
*and the media should have reported it as part of their headlines.
Absolutely. Its not our jobs to research things before getting outraged.

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CommonJoe
08/19/20 4:51:37 PM
#187:


harley2280 posted...
It's okay man. I understand it's hard to admit you didn't know something like the basic function of our Democratic Democracy. It's a learning experience.

Knock off the gaslighting.

King_Hutton posted...
Absolutely. Its not our jobs to research things before getting outraged.

There was no reason to research if there was no question. If I read a headline that says AOC is getting 60 seconds for remarks, I have zero reason to assume its anything other than a speech like all the Republicans got.

And that gets reinforced when every one is talking about it from that same perspective.

None of you have any basis to claim I dont know how a nomination works based on those facts.

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Tyranthraxus
08/19/20 4:54:17 PM
#188:


CommonJoe posted...
There was no reason to research if there was no question. If I read a headline that says AOC is getting 60 seconds for remarks, I have zero reason to assume its anything other than a speech like all the Republicans got.

Did you actually watch the conference? Because they did get the same thing she did. A pre-recorded speech with the only difference being they endorsed Biden.

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harley2280
08/19/20 4:54:20 PM
#189:


CommonJoe posted...
harley2280 posted...
It's okay man. I understand it's hard to admit you didn't know something like the basic function of our Democratic Democracy. It's a learning experience.

Knock off the gaslighting.

King_Hutton posted...
Absolutely. Its not our jobs to research things before getting outraged.

There was no reason to research if there was no question. If I read a headline that says AOC is getting 60 seconds for remarks, I have zero reason to assume its anything other than a speech like all the Republicans got.

And that gets reinforced when every one is talking about it from that same perspective.

None of you have any basis to claim I dont know how a nomination works based on those facts.

Do you need us to explain what gaslighting actually is? Because you're using that word and it doesn't apply here.
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King_Hutton
08/19/20 4:55:04 PM
#190:


CommonJoe posted...
There was no reason to research if there was no question. If I read a headline that says AOC is getting 60 seconds for remarks, I have zero reason to assume its anything other than a speech like all the Republicans got.

And that gets reinforced when every one is talking about it from that same perspective.

None of you have any basis to claim I dont know how a nomination works based on those facts.
Im agreeing with you. Its the medias job to tell us everything, and if they dont report something enough for us to notice then its their fault. We shouldnt have to research why AOC is speaking in order to be upset.

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harley2280
08/19/20 4:57:22 PM
#191:


King_Hutton posted...
CommonJoe posted...
There was no reason to research if there was no question. If I read a headline that says AOC is getting 60 seconds for remarks, I have zero reason to assume its anything other than a speech like all the Republicans got.

And that gets reinforced when every one is talking about it from that same perspective.

None of you have any basis to claim I dont know how a nomination works based on those facts.
Im agreeing with you. Its the medias job to tell us everything, and if they dont report something enough for us to notice then its their fault. We shouldnt have to research why AOC is speaking in order to be upset.

That sentence is the exact problem with America today. You want to be spoon fed bullshit instead of taking the time to learn something yourself.

The media has one job - make money. That's it's. They're going to go with whatever story gets the most clicks/viewers.
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King_Hutton
08/19/20 4:58:17 PM
#192:


harley2280 posted...
That sentence is the exact problem with America today. You want to be spoon fed bullshit instead of taking the time to learn something yourself.

The media has one job - make money. That's it's. They're going to go with whatever story gets the most clicks/viewers.
Were not allowed to be mad at the media for misleading us?

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GentlemanGamer
08/19/20 4:59:04 PM
#193:


The media's job is to make money and to push an agenda their billionaire owners are okay with. Not to inform anyone of anything. They pretty much rely on you not being informed, so they can tell you what to think.
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harley2280
08/19/20 4:59:55 PM
#194:


King_Hutton posted...
harley2280 posted...
That sentence is the exact problem with America today. You want to be spoon fed bullshit instead of taking the time to learn something yourself.

The media has one job - make money. That's it's. They're going to go with whatever story gets the most clicks/viewers.
Were not allowed to be mad at the media for misleading us?

You chose to believe it without verifying if it was factual. That's on you.
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Tyranthraxus
08/19/20 5:01:12 PM
#195:


King_Hutton posted...
Were not allowed to be mad at the media for misleading us?

This is ultimately the Crux of the issue. The people at fault here are NBC who deliberately posted false information after having already had the facts for a week. Not the DNC.

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CommonJoe
08/19/20 5:02:42 PM
#196:


Tyranthraxus posted...
Did you actually watch the conference? Because they did get the same thing she did. A pre-recorded speech with the only difference being they endorsed Biden.

obtuse
/bt(y)oos,bt(y)oos/
adjective
  1. annoyingly insensitive or slow to understand.


The only reason she was present at all was because Sanders selected her for the nomination. That is explicitly not the same thing as being invited to speak (By Biden) like the Republicans were.

harley2280 posted...
Do you need us to explain what gaslighting actually is? Because you're using that word and it doesn't apply here.

gaslight
/aslt/
verb
gerund or present participle: gaslighting
  1. manipulate (someone) by psychological means into questioning their own sanity.


You people continuing to try and tell me what I did or did not know, particularly based on evidence that does not logically precede such a conclusion, fits the definition quite perfectly.

King_Hutton posted...
Im agreeing with you

No you're doing a bit to mock me.

King_Hutton posted...
the medias job to tell us everything, and if they dont report something enough for us to notice then its their fault.

This, but unironically. Lets remember that the NBC debacle is a literal example of the problem, as is the business insider article I linked earlier.

And again, between that and the actual discourse regarding AOCs role, there was no reason to look further. It quacked like a duck and smelled like a duck, so I had no reason to lift the proverbial cloth to see if it looked like one too.

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Tyranthraxus
08/19/20 5:03:56 PM
#197:


CommonJoe posted...
manipulate (someone) by psychological means into questioning their own sanity.

Joe man, you are not crazy, you are just wrong.

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harley2280
08/19/20 5:05:01 PM
#198:


CommonJoe posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
Did you actually watch the conference? Because they did get the same thing she did. A pre-recorded speech with the only difference being they endorsed Biden.

obtuse
/bt(y)oos,bt(y)oos/
adjective
<ol> <li>annoyingly insensitive or slow to understand.</li></ol>

The only reason she was present at all was because Sanders selected her for the nomination. That is explicitly not the same thing as being invited to speak (By Biden) like the Republicans were.

harley2280 posted...
Do you need us to explain what gaslighting actually is? Because you're using that word and it doesn't apply here.

gaslight
/aslt/
verb
gerund or present participle: gaslighting
<ol> <li>manipulate (someone) by psychological means into questioning their own sanity.</li></ol>

You people continuing to try and tell me what I did or did not know, particularly based on evidence that does not logically precede such a conclusion, fits the definition quite perfectly.

King_Hutton posted...
Im agreeing with you

No you're doing a bit to mock me.

King_Hutton posted...
the medias job to tell us everything, and if they dont report something enough for us to notice then its their fault.

This, but unironically. Lets remember that the NBC debacle is a literal example of the problem, as is the business insider article I linked earlier.

And again, between that and the actual discourse regarding AOCs role, there was no reason to look further. It quacked like a duck and smelled like a duck, so I had no reason to lift the proverbial cloth to see if it looked like one too.

Yeah that gaslighting definition isn't what's happening here. No one is trying to psychologically manipulate you. We're telling you you're wrong because you are.
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King_Hutton
08/19/20 5:08:02 PM
#199:


CommonJoe posted...
No you're doing a bit to mock me.

Why are you acting like a dick?
CommonJoe posted...
gaslight
/aslt/
verb
gerund or present participle: gaslighting
manipulate (someone) by psychological means into questioning their own sanity.
Dont fucking do this to me if youre going to be mad when people do it to you

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CommonJoe
08/19/20 5:08:12 PM
#200:


Tyranthraxus posted...
Joe man, you are not crazy, you are just wrong.

Then engage my arguments. Dont just insist Im wrong and then pitch a hissy fit when I dont just lay down and accept that.

Participate.

harley2280 posted...
We're telling you you're wrong because you are.

See above. Telling Im wrong ad nauseum while refusing to acknowledge anything Ive said regarding the actual issue does you no favors and just reinforces my assessment.

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CommonJoe
08/19/20 5:11:18 PM
#201:


King_Hutton posted...
Why are you acting like a dick?

Because you aren't being as subtle as you think you are.


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